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Alright fellas, as per your requests today I want to tackle the subject of Qualification – what it is and where it stands in a Game 2.0 universe.

Let’s start at the top. Qualification is the process of actively getting a girl to demonstrate value to you – to essentially earn your approval and affection. The idea is that by qualifying, you accomplish 2 very important things: 1.) You get the girl actively trying to earn you, thus you’re setting yourself up as the prize, getting her invested, ect and 2.) You give her grounds to believe that you like her for non-superficial (sex) reasons.



As the community has advanced the notion of qualification has drifted a bit to the periphery as it’s accepted more and more that 1.) it’s totally ok to pull girls just for sex and 2.) qualification is part of a rigid structure that has generally been replaced by a more free-flowing, natural style.

So, does qualification still have a place in PU dogma?



Well, in almost every one of my recent pickups some form of female qualification certainly occurred – though at this point to actively seek to qualify would be asinine and almost backwards. See, qualification stems from a model in which the girl inherently has higher value than the guy – so the idea was to pump your value to the point that you have enough compliance from the girl that she’ll buy into qualifying herself, and when she does she’ll backwards rationalize “oh, I’m telling this guy how great I am, I must want him to like me because I must obviously like him…”

At first glance that may seem logical, but look at the corresponding thought going through the guy’s head – “ok now I think I have enough value and compliance to get her to qualify, I’ll start qualifying and hopefully she’ll start trying to ‘win’ me”.

Personally that is the absolute LAST headspace I want to be in when I’m out. Remember – the self is always shining through – you are like an open book, the last thing I want the girl to see me thinking is “what step should I take now to get her”.


Instead, when I’m out my thoughts resemble a broken record “Yes!.. It’s on… Yes… It’s on…”

When I’m in this headspace she can what kind of guy I am and the whole value issue is subverted entirely.

Beyond that, consider this… in field guys always ask me things like “ok the girl did bla bla bla and said bla bla, what should I do?” – my answer is always this:

“Imagine you have a signed contract saying she IS going home with you tonight – no matter what she’s going home with you…how would you behave for the rest of the night…?”



That is – assume the pull…now what?

Well I can’t answer that for you, but if I’m talking to a girl and I know it’s on (well let’s face it, it’s always on ;-) then I’m gonna do 2 things. 1.) Enjoy the night and 2.) Take the time to get to know her. I’ll drop the ‘game’ and simply start getting to know her as a person – not because it’s the ‘right’ move, but because I like meeting people and beyond that I know I’ll enjoy what comes later much more if the person actually means something to me – if I like them on both a physical and personal level.

And because the girl senses I’m a confident guy, operating without an agenda, her natural reaction is going to be to share the parts of herself that she feels best about – the parts that actually mean something to her…

So with traditional qualification it looked something like…
Guy: So I really like Italian food, what’s your best dish?
Girl: Oh, I cook really good spaghetti.
Guy: Oh cool, I like that…

You can see this is happening on a very superficial level, and realistically, what are the chances that the girl actually identifies with her cooking skills…?



Now instead, if I simply assume it’s on and allow the girl to communicate with me in a way that lets her know I’m not judging her – she’ll much more readily open up on things she naturally identifies proudly with…So it will look more like:

Me: Yeah I moved to Chicago about a month ago, I love that I can just grab a cup of coffee in the morning and write for a while before I even start on my day…
Girl: Oh yeah, I moved here for work also, I teach autistic kids and there’s a really good program for them here…

See, because I went first and shared a piece of myself, agenda-free, she’s going to reciprocate by doing the same – and what she does respond with will be infinitely more meaningful than something as trivial as her spaghetti skills.

The result: I become the guy that likes her for the REAL her – that appreciates the things about her that she wishes other guys would appreciate. And as all my subcommunications are showing – It’s On – at this point is she really gonna disagree??

Cheers,
Ryan
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#1
Jack Hammer

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lol... this is something for me that has been up in question since the change over to being natural...

i wasn't sure how to go about the qualification stage... letting a go know you like her for other reasons then sex...

cleared up alot of ideas and helped to reaffirm what i already kind thought..

nick
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roberto3331

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loved the post!

Question:

So, you dont have to qualify if your running natural game?
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The Duck ✘

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Thanks for the insights Ryan,

- The Duck
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SweZe

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AWESOME Ryan, I really like your writing! Just so Authentic.
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Automatic

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Qualification is paradoxal. In the community we're taught not to communicate logically with girls, and yet qualification is often based on statements of apreciation. At least it is in the "bad" example you give (well not really bad, the cooking bit is awesome imo :p, but it's another debate).

The best qualification is probably based on sincere congruent  behavior from the start so she doesn't have any reason to question your interest either and she just trusts what you subcommunicate. Then your qualification consists basically on rewarding her good behavior. Is that what you meant ?

Maybe the "traditional" view is valid when you're in the damage zone already, "why does this guy like me, he said he was gay and that I looked like Tori spelling and he was supposed to stay only 2 minutes, wtf, ah ok, he likes my artistic vibe, cool, I can relax and enjoy". Or when you have 2 minutes left to numclose or something, I think it can help (but maybe then it's more like a plausible deniability thing).

I like to qualify non verbally, she says something cool, I send her a quick subtle doggy dinner bowl look with a smile so that she feels an "interest spike", she gets it, no logical crap and no supplication.
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#6
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I loved this article! I think qualification is one of the most important aspects of a full close...and this article as well as brads last article emphasizing that. I think ever since natural game became so popular over the past year...a lot of guys forget about this and a lot of guys associate this with routine game so they stay away from it.
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IvánPérez

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Yep
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#8
ROC

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Awesome shit Ryan!  The part about assuming you have a signed contract from her is just fucking GOLD!
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#9

Rich~

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Thanks for that man.  So does that extend to "getting her to invest in you" etc...is there anything you actively "do" in that respect, or is that a step backwards too?  

I'm starting to think that true abundance/indifference can never be faked and anything you try and "do" to flip the script ultimately comes unstuck at some point.  What dya think?
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#10
Grandroyale

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excellent.

True "Natural" mentality!
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#11
Nimbus

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I really liked the post.
Yes It's On.
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#12
Lazarus®

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hey ryan!!!

my bc is starting to come together...slowly but surely...piece by piece...i'm seeing serious results...

thanks for the refresh!!

bring the truth= GO FIRST

thanks for everything...keep up the solid work

peace
chris
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RagaTanha

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 great piece, I'm loving the frequency of updates. 
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Ryan® wrote:

See, because I went first and shared a piece of myself, agenda-free, she’s going to reciprocate by doing the same – and what she does respond with will be infinitely more meaningful than something as trivial as her spaghetti skills.


Going first= a bit of masculine polarity. Love this piece' Great Work ®

-bells
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#15
Arikmai

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THANK YOU!!!

This is awesome it gave me a new chapter of the book. It is eye opening!!
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#16
Octavius!

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 Wup Wup, awesome post

I think it just clicked.

thanks Ryan
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#17
blackberry

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Awesome, that signed contract analogy is like imagine being 1st on a nascar racing event
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Daniel

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Puts a new perspective on things
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#19
Milo

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ryan bringing the heat with a very succinct, practical article. Thanks dude...
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#20
SlingShot!

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This post hits the spot bro. Especially the part about her signing the contract. Thx m8
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#21
Platoon

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I couldn't catch the point.. I use some form of qualification in each pick up and it works very good... :)
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#22
Newton

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My problem with this natural game is that I know I make a fuckload of mistakes all the time that I never realize til afterwards. Which annoys me like hell because then I go "I know not to do that, why the fuck did I just do that?".

Because even if I'm in my head during the pickup I find it impossible to remember everything. A set can blow up reeeaally fast just because I didn't do the right body rocking or something. If I give up trying to control my game completely, how can I know I'll behave like I know I should in theory, and not just instinctively go back to chode-mode?

Thanks you so much for the article btw, I love things that really make me think :)
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#23
Saad

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Love this post. Definitely top 5. Your way of breaking down intellectual ideas into practicality is sick.
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Chaq Groove®

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You just got a PMthumbs up
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#25
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“Imagine you have a signed contract saying she IS going home with you tonight – no matter what she’s going home with you…how would you behave for the rest of the night…?”

Awesome analogy!
Much better than "assume attraction and spend the rest of the night trying not to mess it up"
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#26
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 Great post. This is GOLD! Thanks Ryan..

really illustrates well how simple "game" is...

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#27

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Thanks for the post.

I wanted to chime in a little here.

I don't think that qualification in the sense that you bait her to qualify INHERENTLY comes from a lower value frame.

I can quote one of your comrades using a very similar technique, with Tim using the 'pounding of the passion' which is a form of forced qualication, as well as Tyler advocating using 'forced qualification to make her feel qualified. Neither of these guys, I assume you would agree, are coming form a lower value mindset.

I believe this form just buys more time when logistics might have caused you to lose the set toherwise to allow you do ideally do proper qualification in better logistical position.

This qualifcation doesn't have to have anything to do with you being lower value than the girl, but rather you bringing the girl up to your level. It COULD come from a lower value frame wanting to raise it with hers, but it certianly doesn't need to be coming form that position. If your value is already high then you just want to raise hers to yours to, as you say, legitimise the interaction outside of sex.

Vin dicarlo and Theapproach's game is very focused on you having inherently high value but also is very focused on qualficaiton based game to make her work for your efforts.

Great post though as it cleared up these points in my head.
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#28
Muladosk8inhooper

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Fucking solid post.  The signed contract shit is LUHGYYYT.

That last sentence is icing on the cake for sure.
Thanks for this fam
PS. that mind sex video is priiiime. Love that shit

BEshades
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#29
Timtent®

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true stuff, ryan! i like the way you structure your articles.

and i remember you talking about this on bootcamp. half a year and roughly 500 sets later i start getting what you meant with it. this stuff is soo advanced and therefore difficult to implement, because it belongs to the category "being not doing" in order to be successful/effective.

i'm about to head out into another night of adventures in one hour and this was the perfect quick rsd mentalitiy shot...;-)
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Iron_Rinn

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Good post.  Thanks.

I am trying to work on my qualification, but to make it subtle so it doesn't come off as contrived PUA-ish stuff.

I like the italian food example
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#31
Mathias!

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Word! One less thing to worry about, leaves more space to focus on my own fun and what I want.

Intent eye contact
Open, give value and have fun
Escalate & Lead
Get to know girl better (optional for preference)
Leave club
Close

non lineary, and your order may vary of course...
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#32
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Great stuff dude. As I sit here reading and commenting on the new RSD nation for the first damn time (yes, I know, its been a while) I'm glad this was the post that wound up on my screen.

Qualification is most certainly a "sticky" subject in that most guys think a laundry list of positive qualities needs to pour out of a girls mouth in order to show that she’s qualifying herself enough to portray her interest. Great note on the identity thing…if you can get a girl talking about something she’s deeply passionate about (and identifies with) then the truth is – well damn, she just won’t stop. It’s like opening a floodgate of information that, with every sentence she mutters from deep within her identity, is one step closer to her feeling like she identifies with YOU.

I’d also like to butt in and mention that qualification also exists on extremely subtle levels – “micro” qualification if you will. I’ve noticed time and time again – with sexual intent, and without – that the sheer act of allowing your attention to dwindle away from a woman who’s starting her self latent spiel is enough to make her only want to qualify herself to you more.

Call it “Game ADD” if you will.

You’ve got her interest somehow (even in the slightest) and suddenly something starts to appear more interesting than her. Like a dog noticing something shiny near by and wanting to investigate, your concern with her fades and her “uh oh” mechanisms start cranking up her feminine desire to capture your attention by baiting you back in control.

“Oh, he’s not interested in what I’m saying? Who the FUCK is this guy? COME BACK!”


Amusing, to say the least.

Anyways, good shit dude. Can’t wait to hear what you have to say at RSD World Summit this fall.

Cheers,

~P.
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#33
Drama

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Cool man.  Thanks for clarifying where that stands

Drama
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#34
ValentineS

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 I never thought Pick-Up would actually become THAT EASY :)

Since Tim came to RSD he has totally CUT all the shit, and kept everything very very simple.

I'm really really glad people put their effort in simplifying things rather then making them more complex, like in the past.

Meeting chicks IS actually easy and efortless and fun.

I love this attitude.

Thanx Ryan.
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#35
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field tested

assume it is on between u and the girl, and she will be drawn into u.

if u think it is on , it is on..simple


awesome post
ryan
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#36

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I got it. :)
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STATEofFUFILLMENT

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#38
Drama

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It is crazy how much more you get out of the articles when you go out. AND after taking program. Re-reading these articles is a must! 
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#39
Waginator

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This is a great article i like the "imagine you have a signed contract that says your pulling her."  if i had that i wouldnt be worrying about calling her or sending her messages to get a response.  which is what ive been doing.  i met this girl and we hit it off but now that we are apart. shes gone silent on me...so ive been freaking out calling her and all the stuff thats lowering my value...uggh
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