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Alright Guys, lets get a little advanced here…

Firstly, if you’re not pulling at least with moderate regularity (say once a month), this article isn’t for you. For those of you that are… lets get to it.

You’re in the club, it’s 1am, club is in full roar, DJ blazing the latest club hit (for the second time of the night):

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Girl presses herself against you, kisses your neck. You take a swig from your vodka Redbull before another makeout. Yes, It’s On.

Mink

You: Ay, after-party at my place… drinks!

The DJ keeps on it… now it’s T.I.’s Whatever You Like.

Girl: Oh my God I LOVE this song! Dance with me!

And she’s sexy. So you dance.

And you keep dancing.

And now the club is closing.

You: After party, woooo, SKO!

Girl: I wanna dance, is there anywhere still open?

And now you’re asking the bouncers about after hours clubs… I think Pink Elephant is still open…

Except you don’t want to go to Pink Elephant, you wanna go home…

You: After party at my place! Drinks and Wii Tenis! After party SKO!

Girl: Your place? Is it close?

You: Yeah, it’s right up there, Sko, SKO! TAXI!

Girl: Christine, we’re going to the after party!

Of course “right up there” is extremely relative… but irrelevant because now we’re on track, it’s we’re ON.
Or are you? … Here’s where things go pear-shaped.

You: Excuse me, Driver, could you turn on some music?

Cab

And you get to your place and play bartender with whatever you can rummage up… cheap vodka and mango juice it is…

And the girl is bouncing around like a… well… like a girl who just left the club expecting an after party.

Girls

She’s waking up your roommates and has commandeered your laptop to play for you all her favorite Taylor Swift songs. She takes periodic breaks from the playlist to text friends. And her phone is ringing…

“What? No I’m just hanging out at…hold on, what’s your name again?? Yeah we’re hanging out drinking… ok hold on… Hey do you mind if my friend Sarah comes over? She’s really cool, you’ll like her.”

Of course she neglects to mention that Sarah’s been comfort-eating herself to sleep for the past 4 months after being dumped by her ex because of her 3 way affair with Ben and Jerry…

But that doesn’t matter because you tell her that it’s better that Sarah not come because your roommates have asked you to keep it down.

And you start making out. And she gets up to change the song.

And you make out. And she pauses you to send an important text.

And you stand behind her and pull her tight against you. And she kisses you. And she walks across the room to pick up her drink.

And you’re losing it, and you know it. You lay down as she walks around the room feigning interest in the assorted keepsakes you’ve collected from along your journey, pausing periodically to tweak the playlist.

Her: Do you know any clubs that are still open?

And in a last ditch effort you pull her down onto the bed with you and try to dry hump her into submission, thinking if you get her horny enough she’ll sleep with you. But that never works as you already know.

So where did it start going wrong?

Well, like anyone with an elementary understanding of game, you understand that Energy Begets Compliance. The higher the energy level, the more compliance you get. That’s why it’s easier to pull to the bar or makeout on a “WHAT!?!? You’re crazy! Let’s get drinks!” than it is on a “Hey, I’m thirsty, come with me to the bar…”

As the night progresses, you’re trying to lay the foundations for a pull – moving her around the bar, physically escalating, etc – ideally varying the energy level as needed to maintain positive compliance. Problem is, as you get more excited by the increasing attraction and compliance she’s throwing at you, and the notion of pulling becomes more and more likely, you naturally get excited and start making bolder moves. Your increased excitement, as well as the boldness of your moves leads you to game at a higher energy level… which seems fine at the time because it only increases her interest in you, but ultimately sets you up for difficulty later.

Because the girl is now state-pumped she’s going to be having a lot of fun in the club, seeing you as an integral piece of those positive high emotions. Sounds good except now pulling becomes a lot tougher… you’re essentially stuck at the club until it starts winding down. Consider…

You: Woooo, let’s dance!
Her: Yaaayy! You’re amazing!
You: …SKO, back to my place!

It just simply doesn’t make sense… if you’re having this much fun in the club at such a high state, why would you leave the club for a deflated state? The simple act of trying to pull here is in direct contradiction to the vibe you’ve spent all night building. The pull is therefore dependant on either state preservation or continued state enhancement – either “I know another club that’s even better!” or “This place is winding down, after party!”

So if you do manage to leave before closing time, you’re likely headed to another even louder more hectic club… or more likely, you’re at this club until closing, when if you do leave with her it’s under the pretext of either finding another club still open, or (best case) under the pretext of keeping the high energy state going with an after party at your place.

Because her feelings toward you are anchored to that high energy state, you’re essentially bound to it in the cab ride home – simply preserving the vibe while in transit. And you get to your place and that vibe is still there… she wants to listen to music, dance around, show you videos, the works… Maybe you hook up, maybe you don’t, either way, you took the easy road earlier and now it’s coming back to bite you in the ass…

The Lesson: Pull Down

I’ll be the first to admit, it’s very tempting to state-pump a girl and from there to utilize the compliance to move forward – even if it is counter-productive down the line.

Instead, more and more these days when I’m with a girl and it’s on, my focus becomes to PULL DOWN. That is, actively pace and lead the energy level to as low a point as I can and sustain it there. I’ve still got the flexibility to spike up, but I’ll only do this if I absolutely need to, instead opting to ride out the low and even negative vibe to facilitate the pull.

So at 12:00 while other guys are yelling “Woooo, Let’s Dance!”

I’m saying “Aw man… this is all a bit much for me, I need a drink”

And at 12:30 when other guys are yelling “Woooo, let’s go to the bar!”

I’m saying “Christ, I’m pretty tired, come with me to the other room where we can sit and it’s quieter”

Guy and Girl

And at 1:00 when other guys are wondering what the hell to do when the girl is spastically jumping around with her friends after being re-united with ‘Girls Night’, I’m isolated in the corner saying something like:

Me: Look, this club isn’t for either of us tonight, let’s just get out of here… we really don’t need to be here anymore.
Girl: But where will we go?
Me: Doesn’t matter, I just really can’t be here anymore…

So when we’re in the cab, there’s no assumption of an after party, no crazy texting to see where’s still open. And by the time we get back to my house, there’s no need for Wii Tennis or cocktails… it’s fully congruent for me to simply climb into bed and let her follow.

That’s it. Efficiency of Movement.

Pull Down.

Cheers,
Ryan
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#1
Sebastian_Soul

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Sounds good, will try this in the field ASAP.
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The Barman

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Genius.
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Mathias!

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I've never had this sticking point, like never ever. Not even when I was a chode.

Pacing out is important, value inversion and prevents lmr. But to me it is one other huge piece missing to this whole pussle here. And that is getting sexual, relaxed congruence of being a sexual man.

Flavor your own state with shitloads of "I'm very sexual, I might fuck the shit out of you" emotions, so it just shines through inside-out, in your eye contact and non verbals. This way, as she draws state from you it anchors whatever vibe you have to sexuality (wow nice, I guess I just put that in writing there).

In my experience, it is very easy to escalate physicaly from there and close as you get home - and turn up the sexual state even more. She is already horny and knows exactly what is up, at least subconciously. This is emotional leading, emotional/physical escalation, she just continues to follow.

Another benefit is that she often will handle interrupts by telling her friends she is fine, and will call tomorrow or whatever. Again, because she follows.

Hmm. Maybe that might be why I sometimes lose pulls mid-to-end-set. Because I'm not hiding, at all. For her and her friends to see.

Or maybe it is cultural tho I doubt that, dunno. I'm no instructor, and I don't pull once a month - maybe like once every other month.

But nicely written, thx man.
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Full.Metal.0_0

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Mathias! Wrote:
I've never had this sticking point, like never ever. Not even when I was a chode.

Pacing out is important, value inversion and prevents lmr. But to me it is one other huge piece missing to this whole pussle here. And that is getting sexual, relaxed congruence of being a sexual man.

Flavor your own state with shitloads of "I'm very sexual, I might fuck the shit out of you" emotions, so it just shines through inside-out, in your eye contact and non verbals. This way, as she draws state from you it anchors whatever vibe you have to sexuality (wow nice, I guess I just put that in writing there).

In my experience, it is very easy to escalate physicaly from there and close as you get home - and turn up the sexual state even more. She is already horny and knows exactly what is up, at least subconciously. This is emotional leading, emotional/physical escalation, she just continues to follow.

Another benefit is that she often will handle interrupts by telling her friends she is fine, and will call tomorrow or whatever. Again, because she follows.

Hmm. Maybe that might be why I sometimes lose pulls mid-to-end-set. Because I'm not hiding, at all. For her and her friends to see.

Or maybe it is cultural tho I doubt that, dunno. I'm no instructor, and I don't pull once a month - maybe like once every other month.

But nicely written, thx man.
i totally agree with what he said, ive awlays escalted things very rapidly and in my expierence it works for me.  I think the largest problem is failing to take the lead, such as when the womman is in your house and you cant close.  I dont have enough expierence or knoledge to say weather staying low works, but im defintley gona try :)
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I hate the fact that alcohol have to play a role in most pickups. Game is harder when you don't drink or smoke weed.
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"Of course she neglects to mention that Sarah’s been comfort-eating herself to sleep for the past 4 months after being dumped by her ex because of her 3 way affair with Ben and Jerry…"

LOL. Awesome.
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De Reet Sap Rammer aka De Reet Thalys met 1986 kpu

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Well yeah I'm just curious at who's actually pulling ass 1e a month doing this shit haha, but yeah GOOD fucking article.

Basically the bubble of love at work...or the lack-there-of in the scenario you first painted...

 
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The Rev

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Ryan® Wrote:
So when we’re in the cab, there’s no assumption of an after party, no crazy texting to see where’s still open. And by the time we get back to my house, there’s no need for Wii Tennis or cocktails… it’s fully congruent for me to simply climb into bed and let her follow.

That’s it. Efficiency of Movement.

Pull Down.

Cheers,
Ryan
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Pull down..Brilliant. Thanks mate
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IvánPérez

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caveman86 Wrote:
Well yeah I'm just curious at who's actually pulling ass 1e a month doing this shit haha
 
I thought the same thing while reading it.


Intensity beats energy anytime anywhere. Raw intent means no nead for actively emotionally spiking the girl, and no need to pull down after that. They just assume the lead, and the more they follow the more the pull is assured. She has invested in a sexual guy.
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S|n|ster

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Thank You, this becomes a big sticking point for me sometimes because Im super high energy in a club...I always thought I was the only one going through this.
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#11
Mongo

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i pull regularly. i usually go out once a week. on a thursday on top of things.

 i used to get one nighters and thought that was the pinnacle of my pick up "career" but i just play cool now and my wing and i finish a great night of dancing and clubbing over breakfast with the pair of new friends safe in each others company. splitting the girls would always make the situation akward so i avoided the instant gratification to find that it cuts down the buyer remorse greatly. i rarely go past the 2nd meeting without having sex.

point is for when i went for the pull it was messy and sloppy. only the most secure of women were gonna make it a night without hassle.
if i didnt go full blown make out, ass grab, breast growing by the parking lot.
it usually would result babysitting like ryan is speaking of.

im 27 and was pulling since before i found the community. all in all the most important concept i ever realized was mind state. if i wasnt sure of myself, wasnt 100% confident that the girl would enjoy herself with me, i would not pull. all the easy fluid one nighters i pulled were just women that needed some dick and my  "Game" was just not to fuck it up.

anyway the attitude of a guy that doesnt need sex is about as sexy to a women as meagan fox with a sixpack of beer is to you. since their tits dropped they have been pushed out of cars, called names, been lied to and even assaulted just to try to get to know a guy.

so just offer value like the RSD guys preach and it will come.

an example is the scene in hitch where eva mendes falls asleep with will smith and he not only doesnt try to screw her, he goes for coffee the next morning and brings her back some.
this crap is written for women because that is what they really want.
in real life you, me, and everyone else would have screwed her brains out and grabbed a bite with our buddies.
but it is all about how it comes across.
perception baby!

"when you got all the chickens in the valley, you dont have to go hunting for the fox, the fox comes to you"
Don King.
puas and promoters are one in the same

peace
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#12
Jack Hammer

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lol....love it !!!   comfort-eating herself to sleep for the past 4 months ...
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Jack Hammer

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oh yea... great article too...
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Given the criteria, this article wasn´t for me, although I want to ask, what about what Tim´s says in saying  "Its you and me tonight" ?

In another light, I think I´d naturally do something like this. When the time comes to get on it, I´ll let you know.
Just wonder how I´m gonna fuck a chick in my room with my little brother and mother asleep in the rooms accross from me. lol
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Mongo

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if you have a garage just park in the garage and fuck her on your hood.
thats what i used to do.

chicks love camaros hehe
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Isn't the pull down statement too similar to:

You: Woooo, let’s dance!
Her: Yaaayy! You’re amazing!
You: …SKO, back to my place!

Since it's basically:

You: Woooo, let’s dance!
Her: Yaaayy! You’re amazing!
You: …I'm tired.

Seems confusing to me. Isn't it as incongruent as the first one? What's the difference?
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#17
Daniel

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comfort, surprise !
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"Of course she neglects to mention that Sarah’s been comfort-eating herself to sleep for the past 4 months after being dumped by her ex because of her 3 way affair with Ben and Jerry"


HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HAAAAAA!!! Ben & Jerry! BEN & JERRY!! Genius line man!
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Very solid article.

A point i 'd like to make though :

First, I am very consistent (fuck a new girl once or twice a week).
However, I noticed wanting so much to "close" , and not going in super-state in the club in order to have more chance to fuck the girl is not worth it to me.(at least not all the time)
Having fun in the club with the girl(and maybe having sex with her there) or with a group of ppl, might be more enjoyable than having sex with her at your place. All that depends of my mood,  more partying mood or more super-horny mood.
Actually, I also like to be super horny and to stay in the club, because I know the joy is more in building very high desire than in the actual fucking.
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Ewok

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this was a great refresher for what you said at boot camp, thanks Ryan!
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bblock

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definaitely dope. or maybe you're just gettin old now, you're 26 yr' old gran daddy... :) can't stay up late to after party anymore. :)    jk

Bryan
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#22

partyguy

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curious about this.

obviously it's tough (read: useless) to comment on w/o actually trying it, but
would love some more clarification from Ryan on how to do it w/o sounding lame.

bigup on the article though - recently realizing state doesnt have to be so high energy.
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#23
Lucien

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Is this similar to not having an 'entertainer man' frame? If your constantly trying to entertain a girl into the bedroom, then even in the bedroom she will see you as an entertainer and not a sexual partner. Therefore, you have to frame the interaction as two people connecting sexually instead of two people looking for the next buying temperature spike.
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Ro_Bert

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Why not have crazy wild sex since she's all hyper?

Makes more sense to me, never worked out for me to go all dull and boring in a club so she will go with me, unless she were in love with me or whatever.
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~cavalheiro

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In my case, i had a girl pulling me out of the mall and as her brother comes in the car she grabs my arms and yell

*********"C'MON C'MON, MAKE ME LAUGHT! MAKE ME LAUGHT!!!!"*********

I looked at her and sayid super weirded out "WTF?!?! You take me out to this?! what are you doing?!"

leave her and go hugh her friend - I wasn't angry, just leave her and go talk to the other girl.

I recognize that I was too entretainer at our first meet, but was PURELY amazing myself and my  friend natural, I cant complain if she enjoys....

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Sin~Cred~Ible



:)
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naturaltekniq

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Great post man. However, I would say that personally winding down is cool and could work in situations where you really do want to get out of there and fuck but I tend to want to party it up and stay active as well... I never feel the need to pull a girl home at any particular moment (however, laying the proper ground work is important). I'd usually rather go for the pull much later in the night like 3am etc or even the next day...

All in all, I think this is a rock solid article.
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 by the end of your post my mouth was open.
you fuck me...
mind fucked me that is :D
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Yea.. Never been a fan of the high energy thing. I don't think those guys pull at all. I was out at a club with a girl and her friend, and some dude came in all high energy and shit and pulled the friend to the dance floor. The friend was showing what appeared to be good responses, but the girl I was with said that her friend is really embarassed and that the guy is too much for her. Eventually I had to pull her off the guy.

In either case of a high energy chode vs a high energy closer it doesn't sound like the girl would feel comfortable sex-wise.
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Solid work here Ryan. Extremely intelligent stuff
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Mix

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I love this!

Drinking in a club is for girls.

I want to get out as fast as possible, thanks!
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