RyanForReal
Taken from RSDNation:
“What's the best way to deal with”
“Should one ____________ and just ___________________, and how does one set this up?”
“It would seem that _______”
And my personal favorite: “Is it the kiss of death when a girl ________…”
Guys, unfortunately there’s a necessary truth anyone hoping to get this skill set needs to accept – No One Can Win This Game For You.
There is no substitute for experience.
Being around this community and forums for a few years now, I can pretty accurately predict which forum posters are going to ‘get it’ and which ones aren’t. The single biggest predictor of success – ratio of experience posts to question posts.
Seriously.
You see someone on RSDNation posting “I noticed that when I…” or “Sometimes when I _____, the girl responds by _______” or “I’ve found the best way to ____ is…” or even “This weekend I…”.
These phrases are necessitated by action; they are evidence that the guy is actually out, piecing the puzzle together, developing reference points and experience. And when they do post on line they get either affirmations or contrary opinions, further shaping their understanding.

On the flip side, you’ve got the “what does it mean when she…” and the “My friend told me that…”
Straight up – plain and simple, this is a defeatist mindset. And even worse, you notice a pattern forming, a question like this is usually followed by another… and another… and then we get into advanced keyboard jockeying… As if this guy is gonna get ALL his questions checked off then be like “ok, yep, time to go out and pimp” *rolls eyes*.
So then, a change in mindset is necessary – and here it is:
Next time you find yourself slipping into abstract fantasy land, like maybe “It would seem like if you approach too direct the girl will then have no reason to get to know you” – stop yourself. Really, shut the fuck up, and follow this rule: The next words that come out of your mouth must be “In my experience…”.

If you’re able to string together a coherent thought with a modicum of intelligence behind it – great, you’re on the right track.
If not, stop what you’re doing immediately, approach a girl, and get confirmation on your “it would seem that” so that it then becomes an “in my experience”.
By this point, half of you are nodding like “yeah, that’s right” and some of you are inevitably thinking “But isn’t it efficient to learn from the mistakes of others and to get feedback from those more experienced than you?”
The answer is – Yes, BUT, wisdom without reference experience is WORTHLESS.
So if we’re talking about escalation and you’re the guy saying “well I’ve heard that”… bad news: you don’t even qualify to begin learning escalation until you’ve first gone out, tried it, fucked it up, tried some more, then fucked it up some more. Only then will you even begin to benefit from all the “Club Game and Sexual Escalation” posts you so dedicatedly submerge yourself in.
And guess what – when you do post “Funny thing happened last night that I’d love to get feedback on” – the quality of feedback you get is actually much higher because those who know what they’re talking about actually recognize that you’re a man of action. Thing is, pretty quickly you’ll realize that it’s actually more efficient to just go out and fill in the blanks on your own.
I’m all for mentors… in fact, I’m off for an appointment with a personal trainer in just a few minutes. We’ve got a good little system going. He tells me what to do – I fuck up the form, he corrects me… I try again, he tweaks things a little bit more…I get it right… then I push the weight till I’m fucking nauseous. So far things are going pretty well…

Take individual responsibility and get out there and actually DO. And if once you’ve actually gone out and DONE, if you still disagree, throw up a comment… just make sure it starts with “in my experience”.
Cheers,
Ryan
p.s. follow me on Twitter for random thoughts and live updates from bootcamp - www.twitter.com/RyanRSD
“What's the best way to deal with”
“Should one ____________ and just ___________________, and how does one set this up?”
“It would seem that _______”
And my personal favorite: “Is it the kiss of death when a girl ________…”
Guys, unfortunately there’s a necessary truth anyone hoping to get this skill set needs to accept – No One Can Win This Game For You.
There is no substitute for experience.
Being around this community and forums for a few years now, I can pretty accurately predict which forum posters are going to ‘get it’ and which ones aren’t. The single biggest predictor of success – ratio of experience posts to question posts.
Seriously.
You see someone on RSDNation posting “I noticed that when I…” or “Sometimes when I _____, the girl responds by _______” or “I’ve found the best way to ____ is…” or even “This weekend I…”.
These phrases are necessitated by action; they are evidence that the guy is actually out, piecing the puzzle together, developing reference points and experience. And when they do post on line they get either affirmations or contrary opinions, further shaping their understanding.

On the flip side, you’ve got the “what does it mean when she…” and the “My friend told me that…”
Straight up – plain and simple, this is a defeatist mindset. And even worse, you notice a pattern forming, a question like this is usually followed by another… and another… and then we get into advanced keyboard jockeying… As if this guy is gonna get ALL his questions checked off then be like “ok, yep, time to go out and pimp” *rolls eyes*.
So then, a change in mindset is necessary – and here it is:
Next time you find yourself slipping into abstract fantasy land, like maybe “It would seem like if you approach too direct the girl will then have no reason to get to know you” – stop yourself. Really, shut the fuck up, and follow this rule: The next words that come out of your mouth must be “In my experience…”.

If you’re able to string together a coherent thought with a modicum of intelligence behind it – great, you’re on the right track.
If not, stop what you’re doing immediately, approach a girl, and get confirmation on your “it would seem that” so that it then becomes an “in my experience”.
By this point, half of you are nodding like “yeah, that’s right” and some of you are inevitably thinking “But isn’t it efficient to learn from the mistakes of others and to get feedback from those more experienced than you?”
The answer is – Yes, BUT, wisdom without reference experience is WORTHLESS.
So if we’re talking about escalation and you’re the guy saying “well I’ve heard that”… bad news: you don’t even qualify to begin learning escalation until you’ve first gone out, tried it, fucked it up, tried some more, then fucked it up some more. Only then will you even begin to benefit from all the “Club Game and Sexual Escalation” posts you so dedicatedly submerge yourself in.
And guess what – when you do post “Funny thing happened last night that I’d love to get feedback on” – the quality of feedback you get is actually much higher because those who know what they’re talking about actually recognize that you’re a man of action. Thing is, pretty quickly you’ll realize that it’s actually more efficient to just go out and fill in the blanks on your own.
I’m all for mentors… in fact, I’m off for an appointment with a personal trainer in just a few minutes. We’ve got a good little system going. He tells me what to do – I fuck up the form, he corrects me… I try again, he tweaks things a little bit more…I get it right… then I push the weight till I’m fucking nauseous. So far things are going pretty well…

Take individual responsibility and get out there and actually DO. And if once you’ve actually gone out and DONE, if you still disagree, throw up a comment… just make sure it starts with “in my experience”.
Cheers,
Ryan
p.s. follow me on Twitter for random thoughts and live updates from bootcamp - www.twitter.com/RyanRSD



Comments
jackbauerctu
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Join Date: 10/08/2008 | Posts: 50
Keyboard jockeying is a problem for so many guys, and one that is completely understandable. It was for me. There is nothing more satisfying than gathering information on a subject this fun.
But IN MY EXPERIENCE, it takes a disaster arising to snap guys out of the keyboard jockey phase. In my case it is a crippling case of one-itis. All the theory I knew, all the products I had watched, did not help me one bit - I had 0 reference experiences to learn how to calibrate and how far to go.
And I HAVE FOUND this happened to other guys I know. There is nothing worse than becoming a theoretical expert at the game, designed to learn to attract the woman you want, and finding out that none of it can help you when you finally meet her.
For me, that was when I deleted all my material, and went out armed with nothing but an opener, 1-2 funny stories, a way to number close, and a mental note to escalate. The rest was up to me.
Everyone here who is a keyboard jockey will have this happen to them at some point, and it is completely their fault. Unfortunately, it is the only thing that will motivate them to actually get out there and do it. This is from PERSONAL EXPERIENCE.
So, Ryan's article is full of wisdom. Every guy who is theorising on here is on his own sinking ship. Remember that the next time you want to post a theoretical question - it is completely worthless to you. The one good thing is that once you finally get out there, the approaching women becomes more fun than the theory. I used to love a night in with a notepad and a whole load of pickup products. Now, I itch when I am getting ready to go out.
So thankyou, Ryan. I wish I had understood this problem earlier, and I hope that every keyboard jockey on here will stop himself the next time he goes to post a question about something he just made up. Every second he wastes doing that is one second closer to realising that it will not help him attract women. No-one out there who has really been hurt by lack of approaching experience goes back to 'studying' anymore. I was worse than most people, and the idea bores me now. Don't make my mistakes.
Cheers,
EnVee
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Join Date: 01/15/2009 | Posts: 174
Zappa
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Join Date: 04/14/2008 | Posts: 383
In my experience this is absolutely true.
True words spoken in this post.
TwoTyme
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thisguy
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Join Date: 02/08/2009 | Posts: 400
I can tell very easily who's getting laid here and who isn't as well. I come on here once a week maybe and it's always the same. A million threads on what to do where as there are maybe 3 or 4 threads with actual experience to comment on.
Also, people that comment on things when they don't have ANY experience with it is annoying as well. They think just because they have theory on it that they know the ins and outs.
Canello
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Join Date: 07/23/2008 | Posts: 1139
'Action for men is what beauty for women' ~Canello
Full.Metal.0_0
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Hunter®
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www.rsdnation.com/node/123317
Timtent®
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awesome article, ryan!
S|n|ster
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Join Date: 12/04/2008 | Posts: 405
If only the KJ's knew how much fun they'd have actually doing all this stuff in real life...
Getupa
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Getupa
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S|n|ster
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The Rev
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Join Date: 12/04/2008 | Posts: 177
Should one go out and just fuck shit up, and how does one set this up?
It seems to me like that isnt smart?
Is it the kiss of death when a girl likes tomatoes?????
HAha good article Ryan
-CHeers
|xiv|
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Join Date: 11/16/2007 | Posts: 198
it took me so much time to understand this concept.
when one of my friends starts theorizing i just stop him.
Daniel
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Join Date: 10/10/2008 | Posts: 1836
good post
DarkMatter
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Join Date: 07/23/2008 | Posts: 264
I'm prone to overthinking things myself, and one of the things I'm trying out at the moment, which seems to help for me, is to brutally cut myself off whenever I notice I'm starting an "inner dialogue". Particularly when I start practicing conversations I want to have. I'll think "Stop it, you bitch!" and force myself to empty my mind (starting to practice meditation is helping a lot with that).
In my (limited) experience with it so far, I'm far more likely to actually open my mouth and say it when I don't let myself think my way through the dialogue.
Just the last week has been a revelation for me in just shutting down my inner dialogues whenever they enter the subject of "what do I say?" - I've probably said more words to strangers in a few days than in the preceding few months. It's been largely driven by a feeling of rage that builds whenever I fail to take action and simultaneously refuse myself permission to practice the lines in my head. It makes me feel trapped, and that just feeds into rage.
I like feeling that rage, since In my experience whenever it gets strong enough, it's pushed me over the edge and I've said things in situations where I'd previously patiently practice lines in my head waiting for the right thing to say and the perfect moment to say it (that'd never come). It's my new best friend.
threesome
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Join Date: 03/05/2007 | Posts: 590
ahhh yesss. Would be lovely to have a forum without KJ's. Still that's why I try to keep my atention on the FR forum guys. I see people on the main forum that I never even heard of before in the FR forum. Like Jeffy
Tony_2.0
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Take action!
Mathias!
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The mystic place where crazy shit happens
Canello
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Join Date: 07/23/2008 | Posts: 1139
Action in this game is important,we have said this.But more important than mere action,is the belief in this action.
Beginners find this belief in a 'method' or a 'technique'.More advanced guys want to derive this belief from themselves.
What is funny is that the best guys,just because they are so exceptional they cannot even believe in themselves and they base their success in a method.That is they way methods are being developed.
One way or another we have to believe in our actions.
Canello
Nimbus
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Join Date: 12/02/2007 | Posts: 774
O man that is so true for me now. I love the field. Bootcamp in one week Ryan woooo.
®ico
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Tone
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Next time you find yourself slipping into abstract fantasy land, like maybe “It would seem like if you approach too direct the girl will then have no reason to get to know you” – stop yourself. Really, shut the fuck up, and follow this rule: The next words that come out of your mouth must be “In my experience…”.
.......has hit me fucking paradigm-shift style. Very simple, but it answered A LOT of questions.
Cheers
VisionsDivine
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Join Date: 03/09/2009 | Posts: 647
Agree, haha.
zine
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