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Taken from RSDNation:

“What's the best way to deal with”

“Should one ____________ and just ___________________, and how does one set this up?”

“It would seem that _______”

And my personal favorite: “Is it the kiss of death when a girl ________…”

Guys, unfortunately there’s a necessary truth anyone hoping to get this skill set needs to accept – No One Can Win This Game For You.

There is no substitute for experience.

Being around this community and forums for a few years now, I can pretty accurately predict which forum posters are going to ‘get it’ and which ones aren’t. The single biggest predictor of success – ratio of experience posts to question posts.

Seriously.

You see someone on RSDNation posting “I noticed that when I…” or “Sometimes when I _____, the girl responds by _______” or “I’ve found the best way to ____ is…” or even “This weekend I…”.

These phrases are necessitated by action; they are evidence that the guy is actually out, piecing the puzzle together, developing reference points and experience. And when they do post on line they get either affirmations or contrary opinions, further shaping their understanding.

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On the flip side, you’ve got the “what does it mean when she…” and the “My friend told me that…”

Straight up – plain and simple, this is a defeatist mindset. And even worse, you notice a pattern forming, a question like this is usually followed by another… and another… and then we get into advanced keyboard jockeying… As if this guy is gonna get ALL his questions checked off then be like “ok, yep, time to go out and pimp” *rolls eyes*.

So then, a change in mindset is necessary – and here it is:

Next time you find yourself slipping into abstract fantasy land, like maybe “It would seem like if you approach too direct the girl will then have no reason to get to know you” – stop yourself. Really, shut the fuck up, and follow this rule: The next words that come out of your mouth must be “In my experience…”.

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If you’re able to string together a coherent thought with a modicum of intelligence behind it – great, you’re on the right track.

If not, stop what you’re doing immediately, approach a girl, and get confirmation on your “it would seem that” so that it then becomes an “in my experience”.

By this point, half of you are nodding like “yeah, that’s right” and some of you are inevitably thinking “But isn’t it efficient to learn from the mistakes of others and to get feedback from those more experienced than you?”

The answer is – Yes, BUT, wisdom without reference experience is WORTHLESS.

So if we’re talking about escalation and you’re the guy saying “well I’ve heard that”… bad news: you don’t even qualify to begin learning escalation until you’ve first gone out, tried it, fucked it up, tried some more, then fucked it up some more. Only then will you even begin to benefit from all the “Club Game and Sexual Escalation” posts you so dedicatedly submerge yourself in.

And guess what – when you do post “Funny thing happened last night that I’d love to get feedback on” – the quality of feedback you get is actually much higher because those who know what they’re talking about actually recognize that you’re a man of action. Thing is, pretty quickly you’ll realize that it’s actually more efficient to just go out and fill in the blanks on your own.

I’m all for mentors… in fact, I’m off for an appointment with a personal trainer in just a few minutes. We’ve got a good little system going. He tells me what to do – I fuck up the form, he corrects me… I try again, he tweaks things a little bit more…I get it right… then I push the weight till I’m fucking nauseous. So far things are going pretty well…

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Take individual responsibility and get out there and actually DO. And if once you’ve actually gone out and DONE, if you still disagree, throw up a comment… just make sure it starts with “in my experience”.

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Ryan

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#1

jackbauerctu

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Join Date: 10/08/2008 | Posts: 50

 Awesome, awesome post as usual.

Keyboard jockeying is a problem for so many guys, and one that is completely understandable. It was for me. There is nothing more satisfying than gathering information on a subject this fun.

But IN MY EXPERIENCE, it takes a disaster arising to snap guys out of the keyboard jockey phase. In my case it is a crippling case of one-itis. All the theory I knew, all the products I had watched, did not help me one bit - I had 0 reference experiences to learn how to calibrate and how far to go.

And I HAVE FOUND this happened to other guys I know. There is nothing worse than becoming a theoretical expert at the game, designed to learn to attract the woman you want, and finding out that none of it can help you when you finally meet her.

For me, that was when I deleted all my material, and went out armed with nothing but an opener, 1-2 funny stories, a way to number close, and a mental note to escalate. The rest was up to me.

Everyone here who is a keyboard jockey will have this happen to them at some point, and it is completely their fault. Unfortunately, it is the only thing that will motivate them to actually get out there and do it. This is from PERSONAL EXPERIENCE.

So, Ryan's article is full of wisdom. Every guy who is theorising on here is on his own sinking ship. Remember that the next time you want to post  a theoretical question - it is completely worthless to you. The one good thing is that once you finally get out there, the approaching women becomes more fun than the theory. I used to love a night in with a notepad and a whole load of pickup products. Now, I itch when I am getting ready to go out. 

So thankyou, Ryan. I wish I had understood this problem earlier, and I hope that every keyboard jockey on here will stop himself the next time he goes to post a question about something he just made up. Every second he wastes doing that is one second closer to realising that it will not help him attract women. No-one out there who has really been hurt by lack of approaching experience goes back to 'studying' anymore. I was worse than most people, and the idea bores me now. Don't make my mistakes.

Cheers,
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#2
EnVee

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Sick post.
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#3

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Quote:
...wisdom without reference experience is WORTHLESS.


In my experience this is absolutely true.

True words spoken in this post.
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TwoTyme

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It would seem that... this post is fuckin awesome.
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#5
thisguy

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Personal responsibility is all this is really.

I can tell very easily who's getting laid here and who isn't as well. I come on here once a week maybe and it's always the same. A million threads on what to do where as there are maybe 3 or 4 threads with actual experience to comment on.

Also, people that comment on things when they don't have ANY experience with it is annoying as well. They think just because they have theory on it that they know the ins and outs.
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#6

Canello

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'In this game it is necessary to act' ~Canello

'Action for men is what beauty for women' ~Canello
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#7
Full.Metal.0_0

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You dont have to get ready to go out, the point is that you take things to the highest level.  The point is that people are suppose to fuck up, if they are'nt somethings wrong.. there not being risky enough.  Sucess is getting up one more time then you fall down. wink
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just that picture of jean pierre le douche hugging the blonde hottie makes me want to go out again right now..

awesome article, ryan!
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#10
S|n|ster

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I dont get how people can read all this stuff or watch all the DVD products and NOT go out...I remeber the first time I watched Flawless Natural...I literally COULDNT WAIT  to go out into the field and  test it...like I saw the spin and in part, ...went straight to the club...walked right onto the dance floor and spinned and inned a cutie...took her home that night...my first SNL

If only the KJ's knew how much fun they'd have actually doing all this stuff in real life...
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#11
Getupa

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 Thanks Ryans for not posting another KJ hating post... this one is helpful...
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Getupa

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S|n|ster Wrote:
I dont get how people can read all this stuff or watch all the DVD products and NOT go out...I remeber the first time I watched Flawless Natural...I literally COULDNT WAIT  to go out into the field and  test it...like I saw the spin and in part, ...went straight to the club...walked right onto the dance floor and spinned and inned a cutie...took her home that night...my first SNL

If only the KJ's knew how much fun they'd have actually doing all this stuff in real life...
Everyone is at a different level... Every KJ is trying to get to the level of thinking about PU as fun, FOR REAL.
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S|n|ster

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Whats the difference between a virgin and a KJ? The virgin cant wait to push through the pain and start having fun...
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#14
The Rev

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What's the best way to deal with being scared to go out?

Should one go out and just fuck shit up, and how does one set this up?

It seems to me like that isnt smart?

Is it the kiss of death when a girl likes tomatoes?????

HAha good article Ryan

-CHeers
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#15

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in my experince this post is the shit :)
it took me so much time to understand this concept.
when one of my friends starts theorizing i just stop him.
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#16
Daniel

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A-Guy-Named-Lawson Wrote:



Canello Wrote:
'In this game it is necessary to act' ~Canello

'Action for men is what beauty for women' ~Canello

who quotes themself? lol.
Canello - he's the shit

good post
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#17
DarkMatter

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The Hughesy Wrote:
In my experience I've been out several times and not taken action.  Also I have taken action at other times and sometimes it's gone well.  I'm a big thinker and it stops me doing stuff but its obvious I want to approach when I go out.

I'm prone to overthinking things myself, and one of the things I'm trying out at the moment, which seems to help for me, is to brutally cut myself off whenever I notice I'm starting an "inner dialogue". Particularly when I start practicing conversations I want to have. I'll think "Stop it, you bitch!" and force myself to empty my mind (starting to practice meditation is helping a lot with that).

In my (limited) experience with it so far, I'm far more likely to actually open my mouth and say it when I don't let myself think my way through the dialogue.

Just the last week has been a revelation for me in just shutting down my inner dialogues whenever they enter the subject of "what do I say?" - I've probably said more words to strangers in a few days than in the preceding few months. It's been largely driven by a feeling of rage that builds whenever I fail to take action and simultaneously refuse myself permission to practice the lines in my head. It makes me feel trapped, and that just feeds into rage.

I like feeling that rage, since In my experience whenever it gets strong enough, it's pushed me over the edge and I've said things in situations where I'd previously patiently practice lines in my head waiting for the right thing to say and the perfect moment to say it (that'd never come). It's my new best friend.
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#18
threesome

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 wisdom without reference experience is WORTHLESS.

ahhh yesss. Would be lovely to have a forum without KJ's. Still that's why I try to keep my atention on the FR forum guys. I see people on the main forum that I never even heard of before in the FR forum. Like Jeffy devil
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Tony_2.0

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Thanks man. I'm going over to write an experience-post RIGHT NOW.

Take action!
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#20
Mathias!

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The Field

The mystic place where crazy shit happens

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#21

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Ryan® Wrote:





If not, stop what you’re doing immediately, approach a girl, and get confirmation on your “it would seem that” so that it then becomes an “in my experience”.

By this point, half of you are nodding like “yeah, that’s right” and some of you are inevitably thinking “But isn’t it efficient to learn from the mistakes of others and to get feedback from those more experienced than you?”

The answer is – Yes, BUT, wisdom without reference experience is WORTHLESS.



Take individual responsibility and get out there and actually DO. And if once you’ve actually gone out and DONE, if you still disagree, throw up a comment… just make sure it starts with “in my experience”.


Action in this game is important,we have said this.But more important than mere action,is the belief in this action.

Beginners find this belief in a 'method' or a 'technique'.More advanced guys want to derive this belief from themselves.

What is funny is that the best guys,just because they are so exceptional they cannot even believe in themselves and they base their success in a method.That is they way methods are being developed.

One way or another  we have to believe in our actions.


Canello
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#22
Nimbus

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Thing is, pretty quickly you’ll realize that it’s actually more efficient to just go out and fill in the blanks on your own.

O man that is so true for me now. I love the field. Bootcamp in one week Ryan woooo.
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#23

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Join Date: 06/14/2009 | Posts: 9

Another great post.  Thanks...
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#24
Tone

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I don't want to go too fan-boy on your ass, but this bit in particular.........


Next time you find yourself slipping into abstract fantasy land, like maybe “It would seem like if you approach too direct the girl will then have no reason to get to know you” – stop yourself. Really, shut the fuck up, and follow this rule: The next words that come out of your mouth must be “In my experience…”.

.......has hit me fucking paradigm-shift style. Very simple, but it answered A LOT of questions.

Cheers
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#25
VisionsDivine

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A-Guy-Named-Lawson Wrote:
In my experience....... the only REAL way to get a girl is to read all the articles, debate whether routines vs natural is best, watch all the products, masturbate in presence, read all the Tolle doctrines, meditate 5 hours a day-- THEN.

THEN YOU are ready to go out.

Sorry Ryan. Maybe you just don't have enough experience to truly understand this game ;P

Agree, haha.
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#26

zine

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are drugs allowed to be a part of this "theorizing"?...
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