May 22nd, 2018
How many of you guys are going through your day smiling?

Even now, as you’re reading this article.

For me, smiling isn’t just something I do immediately whenever I talk to someone, it’s really a mental mode that I’m in 24/7. Even when you’re quiet or by yourself you should be smiling inside – a silent smile, if you will.

Smiling is powerful. It’s hard to say no to. And it’s one of the first things that I immediately correct in students; too often guys will be overly analytical, logical, and serious. Pickup, women, business, and every goal in life are viewed as something that should be conquered rather than being ENJOYED.

Our philosophy here at RSD has transformed dramatically over the past few years and it’s quite noticeable to me as a guy who was teaching two years ago, took a short break, and is now back with the crew. What I see as the fundamental transformation in our teaching style is that it’s now focused on BEING rather than TRYING. Old-school tactics and “The Game” doctrine are cool because they teach you how to assess social situations strategically, but taken to the extreme it never really pushes for that deep identity level change that’s noticeable on every level – it still comes from a place of insecurity, a place of need and negativity, a place without any real confidence.

It’s funny writing about this because I was there several years ago. I vividly remember that place when I was starting out, though it still seems miles and miles away from where I am now. Your heart gets broken, your ego gets crushed, and you have this unshakeable desire to get back at the world.

Common scenarios that we see here at RSD:

A) Guy gets rejected by women and has his heart broken >> B) Guy is miserable, questions his self-worth, hates life for not being better to him, and hates women for not liking him >> C) Guy discovers “game” and sees it as the perfect way to take revenge on women >> D) Guy struggles at first, but eventually succeeds in getting a few dates >> E) Guy’s skills improve with time and his inner confidence starts to catch up with his external social skills >> F) Guy starts dating the women he always wanted and his inner game equilibrates with his “outer game” >> G) Guy loves women with a passion, makes the most out of every day, and wants to make a positive contribution to society and give back to the world

A) Guy’s professional life takes a blow, his business fails, or he suffers from financial distress >> B) Guy is miserable, questions his self-worth, hates life for not being better to him, and is jealous of anyone who is more successful than he is >> C) Guy discovers books, mentors, and other resources that teach him how to be financially/professionally successful >> D) Guy struggles at first, but eventually starts making some moves with his life >> E) Guy starts making some money and starts feeling secure about his natural talents again >> F) Guy starts making millions, reaches the top of his industry through discipline and hard work, and starts appreciating the overall process >> G) Guy loves his profession/business and natural talents, makes the most out of every day, and wants to make a positive contribution to society and give back to the world

In both cases, most teaching methods (including “old-school game”) are heavily focused on phases A through D. Yes, this does get results – me and the older guys on the crew went through it – BUT what we realize now is that the whole process can be sped up much much faster. Don’t get me wrong – there is no substitute for discipline and hard work, and there never will be for any endeavor you put yourself through in life, but what can be tweaked is the mental headspace from which that effort is channeled from – and that makes a world of difference when you start out. You need to maintain that hardcore ambition while also being completely positive about yourself and everyone around you.

You can leap over most of the process and save yourself a lot of time by mentally assuming phase G right from the get-go – by assuming an “abundance mentality” – as they say in the movie Boiler Room: “ACT AS IF”. The reason this speeds up the whole process is because it doesn’t require your psychology to wait until there are tangible exterior results in order to get your inner confidence up to speed. When you live every day with an abundance mentality while training yourself hard in the field, your inner and outer game will be moving in synch and you’ll start getting results that much faster.

So, SMILE… every time you’re in set and every moment throughout the day. Yes, even NOW. Start right this minute.

Enjoy the process – regardless of where you are at the moment. Look at your life in the bigger picture, think long-term, and realize that it’s just one big story or movie – the tough times only add to the plotline and make it far more interesting.

Relax and smile. Have fun with women and have fun with work. ACT AS IF.


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Hey gang. Today, I've got a question for you.

On a scale of one to ten, what is your game?

Like, say we are out at the club. The music is bumping and you're rested and feeling good. Suddenly, across the room, you see a BANGING hot turbogirl. She is the epitome of glory, a veritable angel. Now, on a scale of one to ten, where do you put your ability to go up to her, initiate a conversation, get her attracted to you, deal with the logistics, get her home and place your weener inside of her hoo ha?


Now, for a lot of guys, this is a question they've heard before. If you've seen our amazing Transformations DVD program, Tim poses it to the audience in his bit, near the very beginning.

And, if you've seen it, you know that there is only one correct answer.

"My game is a TEN, Jeffy."

That's right. A f***ing ten.

Now, this isn't some happy-time, feel-good affirmation here. Not some delusional confidence builder meant to be recited 30 times in the mirror before you go out.

The real meaning of "my game is a ten" goes much deeper than that.

It means that, regardless of what your experience has been in the past, at any given moment you have the ability, somewhere inside of you, to step to that turbo-girl and PULL HER. You are already in possession of everything that you need.

The "ten game" is already inside of you, waiting to be unleashed.

That's why, when a guy comes and takes a Bootcamp with me, I tell him, "I have nothing to teach you in the traditional sense of that word. My role is simply to remove that which separates you from the truth of who you are, from what you already know in the depth of your being."

The "ten game" has ALWAYS been inside you. The problem is that it's been covered up with social conditioning and ego BULLSHIT.

What you need to understand is this:

There is no need for any personality but your own.

This is the lesson at the heart of the RSD philosophy.

If you've been with us since the beginning, you know that it wasn't always like this. In the early years, we espoused a structure that went something like this:

1. Approach and try to entertain the girl.

2. The girl responds favorably.

3. You get good emotions and state from her validation, feed on the validation and continue.

As our experience and understanding of the game deepened, we realized this was an inherently flawed model, and we resolved to get to the bottom of this dilemma. Nearly five years later, we've arrived at a new model, which is as follows:

1. Self-amuse

2. Go into state not because of the girl's reaction, but rather because you amuse yourself.

3. Your state draws the girl into your reality and you then lead the interaction from there.

Now, I'll admit, coming from a place where I was getting VERY VERY good results from the previous model, this was in many ways a bitter pill to swallow. But the mandate came down from on high, from Tyler himself:

"It's time to drop the routines and the button-pushing and go full natural, Jeff."

I had to do it. And so I pressed ahead. It was hard. Harder than you can imagine, as I had developed a dependence on the old mentality stronger than a fat kid's desire for pie. But I did it, and eventually I was able to master this "reverse-engineered natural" style.

Tell you what: let me share with you a story that really cemented the natural ideas for me.

I've been kicking around an idea for a novel for quote a while now. I intend for it to be the worst novel ever written, and the title of this atrocity shall be:

Ichor of the Wolf.

It centers on a LARPing misfit named Jeremy Landman, and his various exploits and travails. Now, if you don't know what LARPing is, and I'm guessing there's a good chance that you don't, it's an acronym. It stands for Live Action Role Playing, and here's a little taste of what it entails:


So anyways, this Landman is a fully fleshed-out character, and in many ways he's as real as you or I. So one day not so long ago, Ryan and I were kicking around the house, bored, and we decided to create a profile for him on the dating site "Hot or Not."

After an intense creative process, we had the profile honed to perfection. It started off with him revealing a little about himself:

"Hello, my name is Jeremy and I live in SF. I enjoy fantasy and times of yore. I am a very active LARPer (with quite a rep in my guild I might add!). Looking for someone to raise a chalice of mead with. Hit yes if you like me!"

Oh man.

He then goes on to list some of his interests:

"Christ, crests, Highlander, long hair, the Matrix Trilogy, swords, wolves, paladin, fantasy, chivalry, Creed, karate, mutton"


To top it all off, we scoured around until we found a suitable photo of him. He's the one on the right:

Now, initially we just wanted to see what kind of rating he would garner (he got a 6). But then something really interesting happened:


I couldn't believe it. These weren't mingers, either. Ok, well some of them were, but there were also some pretty decent ones. After the initial shock wore off, we decided to push for dates. If it worked out, I'd just show up as Jer and be like, "Oh I got a haircut." So, we sent the girls who expressed interest the following message:

"Hello. You appear to be quite a classye ladye. I would love the opportunity to purchase for you a bottle of fine red wine. Perhaps over cheese? Could you be the beautiful angel for whome I have been searching for all of my lonely years?"

I was like, ok, now it's over. There's no way they will think this guy is for real.

The next day, I look at the profile and he's got messages. I was almost scared to open them up. I held my breath and did so, expecting them to be all, "Nice try loser."

That wasn't the case. They were all positive. One of them said:

"Wine and cheese, huh? Wow, aren't you the smooth talker! :) Your place or mine? I work this weekend but Monday sounds great! Hope you aren't too lonely until then... or just enough ;)"

What. The. Heck.

I couldn't believe it. I decided to push it even more, and replied with this:

"Apologies, my ladyfaire, but I have a confession. We may not be able to enjoy the fine cheese. I am severely lactose intolerant and my gastrointestinal tract may be torn asunder, as vellum beneath the talons of a mighty gryphon."

Okay, THAT one did it. No response. Hehehe.

I began experimenting out in the field. My standard opener became, "You appear to be quite a classy lady. I would love the opportunity to purchase for you a bottle of fine red wine... perhaps over CHEESE?!"

It worked gloriously.

I started dressing like a nerd at the club, going so far as to wear a POCKET PROTECTOR. There was no substantive difference in my results. It didn't matter at all.

I implemented a new opener which I made up one night with Ryan out at the club: "Excuse me ladies, settle an argument: who is hotter, Captain Kirk or Captain Picard?"

Again, it was solid.

Perhaps "chode game" could be the wave of the future.

The whole experience got me thinking. I started to think about what made the Landman profile attractive to these women, enough so that THEY would take the initiative to message him.

The thing is, Landman is attractive because he has total belief in himself. Even though he is what many would consider a FULL NERDWEIRD, he is completely oblivious to this fact, and furthermore considers himself quite the catch for any ladyfaire. He is completely authentic and does not self-seek in other's opinions. He values his his OWN opinion of himself above all.

This type of thinking cuts to the very heart of "natural" game.

Now, you might be saying, "But when you're saying that stuff in the field, is that you being authentic or parroting Landman?"

Well, I created the guy, so I sort of am him. But that aside, when I was saying that stuff, it was coming from a place of full self-amusement. I really don't care what the response is, I'm merely bringing fun to the interaction.

That's giving value.

Interesting post-script: a few months later, I met a couple girls in a club in Sydney who happened to be actual LARPers. I enthusiastically informed them that I, too, was a LARPer.

"No way," said the blonde one, "you're just saying that."

Little did they know that I've done my homework. I based Landman's LARP nemesis in the book on myself, and had worked out a character for him. I smiled.

"No... I am. My character is named Lord Sir Beastkins DeMorrowild. I am a chaotic evil wizard-mage. Level 12. My specialty is necromancy and my favorite spell is Stream of Corruption."

She shrieked, "Oh my god! That's so cool!" She gestured over to her friend, who by now was isolated on a couch with my Bootcamp student, making out. “My friend is a samurai, and I am a thief.”

I look at her, and in my best Ron Burgundy voice, go, "You truly are a thief... for you have stolen my heart."

She explodes in laughter. "That is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard! You are such a dork!"

"Yes. Yes I am. Come here." BOOM.

We have a name for this now: "Go in chode, then explode." Try it out tonight.

I'll see you in the field.
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Getting out of your comfort zone whatever or wherever it is right now with a daring task.

You know you are cheating. You know your game will not get good. You know you won’t get the girls you want by staying there. But still there is a strong pull to stay there and don’t do anything. Hard core sometimes. And it doesn’t get any better when you don’t succeed in your approaches, it actually gets worse. The pull of the comfort zone drags you back even stronger and more steadily. Insidiously.

Nobody can win this game. Nobody. Why? There are years of programming pulling you back and there are promises of a better life pulling you forward. But those promises are weak in the light of rejections, how can I go forward with all this around me? Rejection feels like death. Especially if you have been rejected before, and it hurt you bad, the pull to stay girl-less and dick-less is ever stronger. It is not so bad after all. You go out, you don’t approach or barely approach, you go home and jack off to porn, nobody gets hurt, better safe than sorry right.... But deep down inside there is a feeling bothering you, telling you that you are cheating. This is not meant to be you, the you that you dreamed of when you first got in the game and started reading about and trying to emulate those “pickup guys” or at least tried to model.

But, hey, better safe than sorry. That piece drags you back right away. You step into a club, you see that loud music, those girls high on booze jumping up and down and you get scared. Oh, man, rejection is a bad thing. What if they don’t like me? What if they find out that I have no life or I am a dork?

While your mind tries to project the future, your body stays in the hateful comfort zone. It doesn’t move. The “ifs” paralyze you. “What if”...what if you approached. What if you approached all night, got blown out all night, and got the last girl, in the last set. But then again, what if I didn’t. Is it worth the risk? Is it worth the pain?

This is the all too familiar concept of “homeostasis” at work.

In other words, resistance to change, to do something differently, to risk failure.

Homeostasis keeps all systems balanced and doesn’t know whether the change is for good or bad. It is not its concern whether you are on your way to be a chode or a pimp. Homeostasis doesn’t know that your girl-less or dick-less and you have been for some years, even all your life. The H thermostat is the guardian of balance in your body. Anything threatens balance it will go off sending alarm signals all thru your body. It will tell you to stop. Telling is an understatement, it will yell at you, scream, shout, itch, kick, plunge, etc. A rebel force will descend upon you.

I like gym examples because they illustrate it better. I have been running for 2 months now, using intervals on the tread mill. I use intervals of higher and lower speeds to stress and shock my body whenever it reaches balance point. I go high intensity for a while, then I drop to lower, and I play with levels of speed to achieve this effect. However, even though I have doing this for 2 months, I never went higher than 12 level of speed in my treadmill. 12 is pretty fast for me. I have to switch to long strides which are of a different quality of the shorter strides. It is a stretch mentally and physically. I decided yesterday to go 14 speed. That’s only 2 points above my max. Shouldn’t be a problem, right? Wrong. As soon as I hit that 14 level, I started to run out of breath. As I kept going, I kept increasing the time I spent on this dreadful 14. It went from 1 min to 2 min, then 3, I sweated like a pig, I was puffing and panting for air. As I finish my 25 min cardio session, every part of my body was screaming for help. Please, stop, it seemed to say. Sometimes it demanded me to stop and get out of the tread mill.

Just a 2 point increase. Unbelievable. I probably burned more calories yesterday in one session than in the entire weak. Lesson learned. Homeostasis will rebel and fight for balance but you must keep going and acknowledge but not ignore alarm signals.

Ignore? No. “Let pain be your guide” is the saying among bodybuilders. If it is painful take 1 step back. Regroup and reduce intensity, then “2 steps forward”. Go faster again. Keep negotiating resistance like this and you will be golden. Goals will be reached and passed. Negotiating resistance with your body this way will take you all the way to wherever you want to go.

Guess where my new comfort zone is. Yes, at 14 now. 12 looks like a walk in the park now....
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This isn’t discussed much here on the forums, because of our focus on gaming up girls with cold approaches, but it’s huge and should be focused on. Learning pick-up is awesome because it trains you to put yourself through intense self-development and you really improve your overall confidence in the process, but way too often guys in this community will just go out every single night and have no friends outside of dudes that they’ve met on this online community. Building up your social circle is important because it’s pretty much your lifestyle – it’s who you are and what you do 24/7, developing it alongside your game just turbocharges your self-identity that much faster.

Social circle game is a bit slower and more subtle than pick-up and cold-approaching, but it’s also complementary. If you’re already pulling regularly you should have no problem building social circle quickly in any new city that you move into – the same exact skills will help you from the start. And on the other hand, if you’re not confident meeting new people and approaching women – just baseline game – then you should work on that first – one of the reasons some guys in this community are anti-social circle is because they came from the lowest rung of their group of friends, a place of low confidence, and now they’re focused on improving themselves socially and getting themselves back up. But if you’ve been practicing pick-up for a while now, you need to start committing some time to penetrate some social circles that you’re interested in….

1. Build social capital and acclimate yourself to the scene

“Social capital” – it’s like currency, but for socializing, it’s anything that displays value indirectly without you really doing anything, it expresses your lifestyle to those around you. Examples include: your close group of friends, having lots of cute female friends, cool pictures on your Facebook/MySpace profile of you partying and hanging out, living in a cool area where there’s a lot going on, knowing people in the nightlife scene (promoters, club owners, etc.), travel stories, having a blog, having lots of pictures on your digital camera, knowing what’s happening in your city – cool parties and events, etc. You should always be building your social capital, and it’s really easy to do with pick-up. It’s part of your overall image and it adds massive value automatically. Tailor it to whatever scene you’re getting into.

2. Think of everyone you meet as a connector to meeting even more people

This is very basic and simple, but powerful – it’s what good salesmen and businessmen do, you never know who that person knows. Expand your social circle exponentially – get to meet two or three more people out of every one person that you just met. Decent-looking girls who are cool to hang out with usually have a few hot friends. This is why learning how to cold approach is awesome – because you could expand your social circle that much quicker.

3. Add value to everyone you meet – give them a good time and help them out

This is obvious, but what’s key is that you do this to maintain those relationships. It’s easy to just meet a ton of people, hang out with all of them and make friends with their friends, but that still doesn’t add to your circle unless you maintain them. You do that by inviting them to parties, giving them a good time whenever they’re around you, connecting them to other people that they’d be interested in meeting, and overall taking care of them – this is all done in a friendly “I’m the host” mentality. If you help people and take care of them, you’ll eventually get dividends from them – they’ll intro you to their hot friends, valuable business contacts, etc.

4. Be the connector, “the party guy” – the center of attention

In every social circle, there’s one guy who knows where all the parties are, what the plans are going to be this weekend, and who gets called from every girl about places to check out. You need to be that guy. That same guy is continually linking his friends with his other friends and then those friends with even more friends – he’s automatically social proofing himself with tons of people around him. He’s the connector.

If you’re throwing a party or organizing an event or any small hangout, don’t ever just invite one small group of friends – or just one group of girls. Invite multiple groups of people, hype them up to each other, and connect them.

Continually build options for yourself and work the room by leveraging different groups.

5. Wash, rinse, repeat
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I've been working with Real Social Dynamics since 2002. That's right, for SIX WHOLE YEARS, I've been running live, in-field Bootcamps in cities all over the world. The program has continually evolved since that time, eventually becoming the life-changing juggernaut that it is today, but a few things have remained the same.

For example, at the very beginning of the program, we do a little "meet and greet." I ask the guys where they're from, what they do for a living, and what their hobbies are.

You can tell a lot about a guy by the things that he chooses to do in his spare time. Generally, I've found that the guys who do the best on Bootcamp are the ones whose hobbies involve some form of physical activity. I'm not exactly sure why, it's just a conclusion that I've reached over the years through analysis of the empirical data at hand.

On the other hand, when I ask him what his hobbies are and the dude looks at me with a blank stare and says, "Nothing," then I know I'm probably gonna be in for a tough weekend.

Of course, it's never entirely wise to indulge in generalizations. Sometimes, the biggest pimps will have some pretty esoteric interests that don't necessarily lend themselves directly to pickup.

For example, I am pretty hardcore into gardening, of all things.

Yeah, gardening. I'm a freakin’ plant nerd. Wayyyy back in the day, I worked at a nursery for a period of several years. I initially took the job to get discounts on supplies, as at the time I was an avid cultivator of Manchurian Fern Tomatoes. During my tenure at the nursery however, I soaked up horticultural knowledge like a sponge. Everything from diseases, to landscape architecture, to soil amendment, you name it. I grew roses and entered them in shows. I installed lawns. I cloned specimens from cuttings. I advised homeowners on native plant installations, etcetera etcetera etcetera.

In any case, those days are long gone now, but I still have a little place in my heart for the botany. If you ever meet me in person, look closely at my thumb and you can still see the green. In fact, this summer, while back in town on hiatus from the Jeffy Freedom Tour, I decided to take back my yard from the wild. I'd neglected it for a couple years, and it was overrun with weeds and random debris.

So I went to the garden center, got some stuff, rolled up my sleeves and went for it. A couple months later, the space is totally transformed. It is similar to heaven.


So I was putting around out there today, doing a little pruning, a little weeding, and I got to thinking about the parallels between pickup and gardening.

Yeah, on the surface it sounds a little ridiculous, but understand you're talking to a guy who eats, breathes and sleeps pickup 24/7 so it shouldn't really be that surprising. So. What are the lessons we can learn here?

First off, gardening is great because it connects you with that primal masculine core.

"What?" you might be asking, "how does dicking around with flowers do that?"

Let me assure you, when I was digging that tree stump out of the yard with a pick-axe and a hatchet, I was a goddamn Neanderthal. Hacking and sweating for an hour and a half, covered in dirt, I finally ripped the damn thing up out the ground with my bare hands, threw it across the yard, thrust my arms over my head and bellowed a primal scream that I'm sure had my neighbors thinking I was deranged.

Thing is, THAT is the same way that I feel when I'm lording it up in the field. It's the exact same impulse... that impulse to dominate, to crush the opposition and come out on top, to OVERCOME. To let loose all Hell like good ole Maximus in "Gladiator." When you are in the club,THAT is the juice you want to tap into. Tim calls it THE FURY.

You step up to that tree stump, i.e. that mixed group with the turbo in it, whatever, and you get your hands dirty. When you connect with that masculine core, questions like, "What do I say?" become laughable, a joke. It does not matter, because you KNOW that you're going to step to her and OWN, and you are going to PULL. You get in the ring and you BANG until the fight is over. Come hell or high water, you are going to get a RESULT.

Moving on.

One thing about maintaining the garden: I have to be out there every couple of days to assess the whole scenario. I go out there, snip some dead stuff off, give it some water, and ruthlessly yank out any weeds that have started to sprout up. As I'm slowly combing through the beds, pulling the weeds out one by one, I become completely immersed in the activity. There's a real meditative aspect to it. I'm focused on the task at hand as opposed to the eventual outcome. There is an overarching plan for how I want the thing to turn out, but that's merely providing the framework.

When I was out there earlier today, I realized how true this is for your game as well. If you want to cultivate a really slick game, you need to be out there a lot. That means going out with regularity and talking to girls, plain and simple. You cannot hope to get there by merely playing around with it when the fancy happens to strike. If I neglect it for a few weeks, I go out to the yard and all of a sudden, the weeds have choked out my digitalis. If I hide in my home and play World of Warcraft without human contact for a few months, then hit up the club, my game is going to be filled with all kinds of weeds as well. I'm gonna be rollin some kind of weird Howard Hughes type game. "You will hand me the milk with your left hand, only touching the bag." No, it must be a consistent and concerted effort.

With consistency, you are going to succeed, provided you are intelligent about your growth and are willing to put yourself under the microscope, weeding out disempowering behaviors and planting the seeds of new, empowering ones. This is a constant battle, one that never ends (until you're six feet under, that is).

If you haven't read the book "Mastery" by George Leonard yet, you need to do so IMMEDIATELY. It's a concise book that packs a lot of value. In it, Leonard outlines the path to true mastery of a skill, as opposed to mere "dabbling" or "hacking."

Reading it, the biggest principle that stuck out to me was the idea that masters practice solely for the sake of practicing. They take massive enjoyment in the actual *development* of the skill. The results, the accolades, the wins, these are all mere side-effects. They are a bonus, icing on the cake.


My friend Owl once told me about a jiu-jitsu instructor he had in Hawaii. This guy was crazy, he'd fight people on the street while he had two broken hands, etc. One day at practice, this guy is grinding my friend's face into the floor and nearly breaking his arm off, and suddenly he screams, "YOU LIKE THIS!! THIS IS WHY YOU COME HERE! YOU LIKE THIS!"

At that moment, at strange and disturbing as it may have sounded, my friend realized the guy was right. You see, Owl's not a guy who "sweats the process" as they say. He truly loves the process of learning itself: going in to the gym day after day, punching and kicking his way through the drills, sweating like hell. Consequently he has developed into a very skilled fighter.

So. From choding about with plants, we can observe some fundamental yet powerful lessons about our game:

1. Connect with the FURY and don't be afraid to get your hands dirty. Bring the full force of your masculine core energy to bear on your interactions.

2. Your practice needs to be consistent. Examine yourself, and pluck those weeds out of your game on a daily basis, preferably while they are SMALL little sproutlets. Cause once they get big, it's a huge pain in the ass to pull them out.

3. Learn to enjoy the process itself, viewing it as an almost meditative exercise. Lose yourself in it. Eckhart Tolle, the author of "A New Earth" and "The Power of Now," outlines this process in three steps: Acceptance, Enjoyment, and Enthusiasm. Let yourself experience all three modalities while in the club, and watch the magic happen.

With that, allow me to clean up my tools, sweep up the dirt, roll up my giant hose, and bid you farewell... until next time.
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