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May 25th, 2013
2009... let's do this
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Pilgrimage2012

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 hey brad, thanks man, very insightful. and i guess you are completely right. even though i am social and everything i somehow lost my momentum here especially for escalating and closing... 

good thing is, last night i went on the rsdfree tour. i discovered it the night before by chance and i am so lucky not to have missed this. (review here:rsdnation.com/node/138059)

Monday/26.10.09
After the workshop Alex and his host had a date with some american girls in a bar somewhere... we had the chance to come along and hang with him in the same bar. so it was like 5 greek people, 3 american girls and alex.

after the freetour workshop, even though i was tired, i was motivated to make something happen. in the bar i opened the first girl is saw, which happened to be the hottest girl i saw that night. open and hook right away... clawing... she was smiling and totally engaged and it was fun talking to her. after about a minute or two her boyfriend entered the scene. talked to both for a bit, then went on. next the waitress... she was cleaning the floor, i stole her wiper and danced with it. then i gave it back and made her dance with it. then i bought alex a beer and talked some with him. the waitress came back and i stole her tablet and tried to do some sexy move with it... worked not as good as with the wiper haha. opened another girl, cute and tiny... opened and hooked. she was with some friends dancing around her own table. it felt very similar to what happened so far all the time i went out here. she was 'kinda' into it, but you couldn't really tell. like she was happy talking to me but other than that stayed reserved, not touching me or anything. as i had talked to alex about it at the seminar, i was more confident that it was on though. bounced around a bit, then continued talking to them. i befriended her friends and they were cool with me. the waitress came and brought us all a round of shots which was nice too.
after a while they had to leave, i took her number and they all left on a 'highnote'.
bouncing around, opened another girl. opened and hooked but didn't lead anywhere, she kept telling me she had a boyfriend... maybe it was true, maybe not.

alex was busy working his girl, the greeks were working on the other two americans. btw i liked the blonde, she had something slutty about her :)

said goodbye to everyone and went home.


was a really cool night, it showed me how brad is right, i can game here just like in berlin, need to get my momentum back. for the first time it didnt feel completely different and off. sure, i also was a bit on a 'rsd freetour high' :) really inspirational to meet alex in person.
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Paris Boum Boum

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I decided to put some work in that PPC thing also. 

A former famous poster on rsdnation used to warm up this way, maybe it may help:
1-Bring the party with friends
2-Get talkative, approach warm up sets
3-Have a deep interaction with a girl, make out

After the warm up make out, you have enough momentum to lord the venue. Your night begins.
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Rosen

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 Hehe my favorite journal, Ive always come back to it, man ur truly living the life, keep it up
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Pilgrimage2012

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hey rosen, what can i say.. you're really flattering me, thanks for the probs!! i feel like right now i can't hold up to the compliment... especially since i am in athens i think i kinda suck. but still, thanks man!! and hopefully i someday have that kind of value to offer like for example 10pin in his journal...

tonight i realized my biggest problem here comes down to one thing, one thing only: the closer mindset.

Thursday/29.10.09
Because when it comes to just being social i am good. I am more than good. Privat party, i chat, i vibe, i make friends, enjoy it.... no fuck it,  i am the shit ;)
After the privat party we leave to a club. Again, i just feel good and bring the party. Warm end of the pool, giving value. not exactly a club, more a pub (free entry).

I am drunk now, because my barkeeper skillz are just too smooth. no really, i just thought i get free drinks from barkeepers in berlin, but its the 3rd time this happens to me in athens. tonights record: 2 jägermeister, 1 ouzo and 2 rakamelow for free... not to mention the drinks i got from my colleagues. i didn't pay shit but i am drunk. fuck. cool. fuck.

*to demystify this: 3 friends come to me and say they were told to leave the bar, because they won't drink anything. i say fuck this, go up to the barkeeper and call him out. how i spend 20€ already (LIE) and how all my friends are here, 10 people+ and at that moment 2 friends order shots, i point them out to him. i show how all other friends are gettin fucking wasted, so is he serious to through the other 3 people out??? all breaking rapport and flowing nonstop. he agrees. i tell him its cool, introduce myself, blablabla.....  we get to know each other and make friends. he has to get back to work. chat up some buddies of him. he brings us a round of shots. after that he drinks with me 2 more rounds... then i have my lovely 9 with me. she is still impossible to get dirty (FUUUCK), impossible to escalate! all the while she still loves me (SLUT!!!). i tell her i get free drinks here all night long, she has seen my skillz in other places...  i get us another round of shots for free to solidify my bragging. my 9 has a friend from her home country to visit. i befriend her as much as possible in the loud bar. i have fun with all my people. we all leave. i take a cab with my 9 and her friend. we split and will see tomorrow.

ps: hey paris, thx, sounds good for sure. 1-check, 2-check, 3- FAILED. the interaction was fun but not deep and i didn't make out. :-O








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next day EDIT:

ok. so more than half of my field reports have been written drunk... i predict one day i will be so wasted that some crazy shit happens like i will accidently write my journal entry into my facebook :O

Quote:
and hopefully someday i have the same kind of value to offer like for example 10pin in his journal
what a corny statement. but yeah i LOVE 10pins journal.

and hopefully, some day i will be banging hot sluts left and right. yeah... sounds much better.
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Pilgrimage2012

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Friday/ 31.10.09
had 3 hours of sleep, university lessons and a huge hangover.... at night i was invited for dinner... i was so hungover, not feeling social at all. after about 1-2 hours of vibing i started to pick up on it... feeling it. we went out. i probably started off pretty loud and obnoxious, but i needed it to get into the groove.

when we got to the club where everybody was i was in an alright social mood. i kept approaching everybody LOUD and kinda obnoxious. really helps to get into it. in the club i approached the hottest girl i found. she responded well... i befriended her sister, i talked to her girlfriend and befriended her boyfriend who started off quite aggressive/jealous. i focused on my girl and even more so on her older sister... i danced closely with my girl... a really good friend of mine asked me to come with her so i meet her boyfriend. so i left and met him. vibing, having a beer, cool.

outside in the street there was a hottie walking with her ugly girlfriend. i was walking behind them and yelled at them to stop - kinda like alexander in his infield... they stopped and i talked to them. turned out they weren't greek but german. i talked to them for 3 minutes and they were actually on their way to some date with some greek guys. ugly girl argued that i am much nicer and earned herself a big hug. they came with me to the nearest bar and we had a drink.... it was going alright but the start was the best... it was kinda weird later on. not really much, but a little off. maybe because i didn't know what to do, 1 on 2, didn't know how to escalate. but we vibed well. we went to the other bar from before and i lost them because many people i know were there. i found them again but they wanted to go on their date now.... they gave me their facebook and yeah dunno. at least the approach was awesome :)

i found my girl and her sister and they were happy to see me... i vibed with my girl but it was hard, her english was shit. her older sister could speak perfectly though, so i focused on befriending her. my girl told me she wants to learn english because of me. i dance with her closely but chicken out to escalate further in front of her sister and the couple.. i get her facebook and move on. i vibe with my social circle the rest of the night and then go home because today (in 3 hours again) i have to get up to go on a trip... 

finally started to game even when i am with my social circles and had some success.... there is hope for me here in greece :-O
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threesome

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Heya something simillar happens to me:

When I go out I can be as badass as I want. Nobody knows me so I feel free to express myself. But in my "normal life" or "primary self" Im such a chode.
I've talked with this with some of the top guys, it all comes down to being real all the time. Not just when you are in the club, but always. It's not something easy to fix, because this is the very nature of "Deep Identity Level Change", it's about becoming a complete diferent person (cool, sexworthy, confident, unapologetic,  real, closer...) that where you first started.

And I'd say that you are almost there!!!. You got your cool going on 24/7, now it just becomes about giving yourself permision to fuck those girls. They already want to!!!. Keep punching there and im sure you will arrive in no time. 

BTW I might go to athens for christmas
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something ive been doing for a while with a two set
win over the friend then say to her 'do you mind if i hit on your friend' whatever she says (even though it will be no she doesn't mind) just move your self closer to the girl you want
Make sure you pay the friend attention...adpot the frame of you, your best friend and your girlfriend.
basicall escalate your target in 'sweet ways (have her sit on your lap kiss her forehead hold hands etc.) normally the friend thinks its sweet...and  like all girls (from my experience) love this boyfriend comfort type escalation (in low energy places like you were in) also if she excepts your frame of we've been boyfriend and girlfriend for a bit, ive found if you just vibe with her everything else is taken care off (so no comfort questions like what school did you go to, this is because the fram you projected already is you know each other, if you go against your own frame it may get messy

a lot longer than i thought id write, but hope this helps! loving this thread mate
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Saturday/31.10.09
After one hour of sleep i was on an excursion trip through greece which took the whole day... got home in the evening, took a 2 hour nap and headed out. friday night i was knackered but made it, so i was hoping i could have a similar comeback this night if i just throw myself in a social situation (and have a few beers).

didn't really work. i was social and fun but the problem was simply i was completely tired and becoming sick so i couldn't truly enjoy it. we headed to some bars... i tried to get into it but i was too fucked up. i said goodbye to my folks. on the way from the bar to the main street i met about 5 groups of 10 people all welcoming me and trying to persuade me to come back to the bar... after having met 30 people wanting me to stay i thought fuck it, try one more time! back to the bar... got a beer, started dancing and chatting to people and for about 10 minutes it seemed to work. had some fun but energy was out again soon.

my personal highlight of the night: outside a group of 6 spanish friends weren't let into the bar because they were too loud and drunk. they told me they tried everything. i feel like i did this many times before and i somehow knew i could do it. i told them i handle it, went up to the bouncer "hey man how are you doing" smile and go in.... the spanish people follow, then i go "oh, hey, they belong to me", all just friendly, neutral tonality and 100% belief.. and he just lets them all in. i dunno really why (he didn't know me), but at that moment i just knew it would work. another great reference experience that i have bouncer game :)

other than that, i had some lameass approaches, got blown out or had absolutely nothing to say. a girl from my university here hit on me, as she had seen me on many parties but i never really hit on her... i would do her for sure though, she is hot. i really had nothing to give on her direct approach ("hey we never had a drink together"), so nothing sparked... i thought, damn, why do you have to approach me tonight?? on a good knight i would have banged the shit out of her (thats what i thought right there and thats what i still believe now writing this).

well, i tried enough, time to go home.

next day i was indeed very sick, 6 hours of sleep in 2 days and a day in the cold without a jacket did it for me...


@JD: hey man, i might stay here for Xmas, make sure to hit me up :)

@momooj: sounds really brilliant, i never thought of that, but i can imagine this to work really well... will try it next time for sure, thx a lot! and for the probs :)
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Monday/02.11.09
Met up with song from the rsd workshop and a friend/wing of him.. the nightlife was totally dead (cold shit weather+monday). we just chilled and had a beer... there was a club around and the friend said its pretty much impossible to get in without any girls etc. 
of course i wanted to try as i think highly of my bouncer game ;)
we got there and i talk to the bouncer, everyone except us is dressed super classy.... i have a nice chat with him and he tells us to come back later as it is super empty...  one can argue that it was a polite way to not let us in, very reasonable to think that, but i refuse to see it that way :)

song was tired and went home, i had another beer with his friend. we chat and somehow i got pretty annoyed, it wasn't his fault, it was just the game talk... stupid imo. on my way home i thought why it bothered me so much to have a discussion about pickup, pickup styles etc.

for one, i believe (doesn't mean i am right) that his views on game are very oldschool and in many ways opposite to mine (sorry dude, no offense)... and to me, discussing this is exhausting and pointless... maybe its cool to have a little chat with an instructor to hear his evolved view on the game but other than that its mostly just tiring.

but most importantly, i am done with discussing mysery method and with any method VS rsd talk and all that bullshit.... i never have been around community guys,  and all my friends are naturals who know nothing about pu. i like it that way and thats why. discussing/talking about mysery and stuff to me means going backward. this chapter is closed.

so for tonight what i learned is that for the future i won't engage in this kind of talk again.
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haha I am the 'friend zone' for the first time in my life.

Wednesday/04.10.09
My 9 calls me (like almost every night) to invite me to come a small private party she is on. I get there and she introduces me to lots of people/girls... all greeks. I socialize with everybody and its cool (I am out here in Athens every single night, i mostly don't write field reports because its just purely socializing, not 'gaming').
My girl and I talk, flirt, but its fucked. I have seen about every 'player' there is here hitting on her, no one stood a chance. I have been there myself weeks ago. Since then she knows me much better and I know she likes me, but i dunno when to make a move again. She is leaving in a few weeks so I will try another time. Friend zone is new to me. Never occured to me simply because back in the day i used to be too shy to be friends with a hot girl. And now I am usually so agressive that its either on or NEXT. Don't want to give up on her though... hottest girl ever.
I talk to many guys/girls on the party, but one girl strikes me, as she is cute (the rest isn't). She is sitting in the corner the whole evening, just smoking, chilling... I had eye contact a few times with her. I am in a good social momentum (talking to 10 people + BEER) so i roll up without thinking... its on. I bust on her for sitting there the whole evening. She gets up and we flirt... Her friend comes, another greek girl I already know. I talk to em both and at this point I know I will see this girl again as she is indirectly part of a social circle here... I have friends waiting at another party, so I leave them all on a 'highnote' and get to the other party.

The other party is in a a public bar. Since the weather has gotten cold, Athens has become dead during the weekdays. I socialize again, then roll up in the bar. Only 2 hot girls here... at the DJ. I think fuck it and roll up. I talk to the girls and the DJ is really pissed. I lightly claw the one girl and the DJ snaps something at her... she tells me 'bye bye' and I am blown out. Its cool, i gave it a shot... I scan the bar, but there is nothing.

Outside my friends are getting drunk, I look around the other bars, but nothing. Time to go home.


I feel like I have all this attraction from girls but I faggot around with it instead of manning up and making it happen. Like there is a threshold, a limiting belief or something. I belief/hope once I am past this faggotry sticking point its going to be bam bam bam.
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