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December 7th, 2016
Caligula's Keep It Simple Stupid Method
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Caligula

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This is primarily targeted towards the following guys.

1. The guy who has never, or rarely been intimate with a woman.
2. The guy who has been trying to get intimate with women for a while, but has not had much success.
3. The guy who is a seduction theory expert. He can tell you how to get a girl step by step, however he himself does not actually apply the theory.

Most guys get into this stuff because they are lonely. They want women in their lives. They are not necessarily looking to roll into clubs and take a girl home. That might be a future goal, however they what they really want is some intimacy with a real, breathing, wet woman.

So, the following is an easy to use template that’ll get you dates. It is demb-proof, so anyone of any level of confidence can pull it off. It is also safe enough to where any rejection will be painless. Moreover, you can build on top of it in the future.

Say this in any setting and it will work. Simply approach the girl you are interested in and say…

You: Hey, you looked adorable I had to meet you.
Her: Something
You: What should I call you?
Her: Something [her name]
You: Alright [her name], you can call me [your name]. What do you have going for you besides your looks?
Her: Something
You: Are you adventurous?
Her: Yes
You: Are you spontaneous?
Her: Yes
You: Cool, then we should hang out sometime. Do you have Facebook?
Her: Yes
You: Then write down your full name for me. Oh, and put your number down there as well. I’ve got to run, catch you later.

Then arrange the meetup, go on the date and escalate. You can find information on how to do that elsewhere. This is just how to go from approach to number/implicit meetup.

After actively approaching women for over a year with pretty awesome success, all the while trying out different things of varying complexity, this is what I use 90% of the time nowadays. It is so fucking simple, yet so consistent.

This is because

1. It is quick. The conversation is not drawn out, yet you give out enough to be memorable to the girl.
2. It is direct, so you aren’t dicking around with retarded questions you do not give a shit about.
3. The next meetup will be understood as being sexual. She will be yours to lose as opposed yours to win. You want to cement this? When you meet up with her on the date, give her a hug and lift her off the floor.

Keep it simple stupid.

-Caligula
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Zappa

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That's pretty much what I do when I do daygame/streetgame. Yet I'm doing day-/streetgame since four weeks only. I've done about 50 approaches in that time and not gotten a single "real" number close. I get good reactions from the girls, because they like to be validated, but they always give me the "My boyfriend wouldn't like it if I gave you my number"-objection. I'm still working on my skills in that area. If you have any advice let me hear!

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HotBox

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I like the message of KISS

but I don't like the conversation example. It's all qualification.

Why not flirt?

I never talk to a girl without flirting with her, or value-spiking by teasing her.

I don't know.. from my perspective, this just seems like a really boring template to follow, because there is no flirting at all. It's just straight qualification. And highly prone to being shit-tested. Where's the fun? Where's the energy?

Where's the attraction?

Anyone can say "Hey, you're cute. Are you cool? Okay, give me your number".. I don't really consider that a good foundation for building an attractive personality. The whole strength of flirting is that, you won't even need to ask for her number, she'll offer it to you because she enjoys interacting with you.

But I suppose if the purpose is just to look for a way to # close...

I don't mean to piss all over your thread, I know you're posting this to help guys out.. I just think this is really goes against the "Think Fun, Not Outcome" mentality that guys should be having. I see all outcome here, and no fun.

I hate starting arguments on threads that are designed to help... but something here raises red flags in my mind. I feel that noobs who follow this will just get shit-tested left and right, and not know what to do. Or just blown off completely.

Hence why I feel the relevance of attraction game.. value-spiking.. and push-pull flirting.

Hit me back with your thoughts.

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Caligula

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All legitimate arguments HotBox.

First off, this is targeted towards guys who just haven't had that much experience with women and, therefore, simply do not know how to flirt.

When I use this, I usually flirt with her after I ask her about what she has going for her besides her looks. I'll usually say something like "ha, you sound like a bit of a dork" or something and riff off that.

However, I like to keep these first interactions short so that she doesn't know that much about me going into the first date. I also recommend this short approach strategy to the inexperienced so that they do not get dragged into a dull conversation.

Hardcore flirting and escalation is for the date, not for the approach in my opinion (Unless you are gunning for a same night lay, which an inexperienced guy should not be going for).

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I find this as a 'play it safe' alternative to really putting yourself out there. It may work for guys who will get discouraged and give up improving their success with women after a few dull interactions or a rejection from trying to pull a girl home the same night. Ultimately these guys have the odds against them until they grow some big enough balls though - and I say that with respect, as it took awhile for me to develop them as well before I made the decision to really work on this stuff.

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Unless you are gunning for a same night lay, which an inexperienced guy should not be going for


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I also recommend this short approach strategy to the inexperienced so that they do not get dragged into a dull conversation.


Guys need to push themselves and be willing to fail, and fail hard. Without the reference experiences of having dull conversations or having girls reject them before a meet-up, they can't expect to improve.

I'm curious as to why you don't think an inexperienced guy shouldn't be gunning for a same night lay?

I also don't mean to piss on your thread, I kind of see what you're getting at, but realize there are a lot of ways this strategy can be counterproductive.
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You guys are all TOTALLY missing the point, he says that this is field tested 1 year+ and that it WORKS, and works CONSISTENTLY: THIS...IS...ALL...THAT...MATTERS. (when he says that "it works", I'm assuming he's consistently getting lays off of it, right Caligula??)

This is just like the crap that jeffy has bitched about a couple of times where guys will actually question something that works because it doesn't align with the theory they have in their heads: "yes, it worked, but...but...isn't that, like, NOT solid game?" LMAO you gotta be fuckin' kidding me, guys passing up lays because they don't think it's "solid game". It works: THAT'S ALL THAT FUCKING MATTERS.
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^

Hey I hear ya man.

But just to put my comment in perspective, I've been finding stuff that works for me, in the game, for about 8 years.. So I wasn't debating based on some "theory" in my head.. I'm speaking from experience, that, at least for ME, qualification alone isn't going to get you girls.

But like I said, I'm not arguing to knock his advice.. just to put some warning into it that newbs who go around Screening girls without building Attraction, or demonstrating Value, will inevitably find themselves getting Shit-Tested left and right, and/or just plain blown out. And seeing as this advice is tailored for complete newbs, I think it's fair to say that teaching them to be attractive, value-exuding guys is the longer, but better, route to a strong foundation. I think THAT's what matters.

But I feel like I'm knocking Cali's thread in my argument here, and I don't want to do that, because he posted it to offer genuine advice.

Screen the girl, make her qualify herself to you, for a smooth, efficient close. It IS good advice, I just didn't like the example. Maybe I felt inclined to jump all over it because "what else do you have going for you besides your looks?" is one of the oldest lines in the pickup community, and I've never been a fan of it.

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Caligula

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Great replies so far guys.

I need to make a couple of clarifying points.

1. I am a pretty good looking guy (Handsome face, little underweight. I look and am built very similar to Simon Woods) so when I approach the girl, there is already some attraction. I do a lot of these approaches in daygame settings where there is a built in time constraint, such as when I am walking somewhere and use my hand to tell the girl to stop or in the cafeteria when I am getting my food.

2. Moreover, I am subcommunicating confidence because I am a confident guy. When I stop a girl in the street or wherever, she is usually taken off guard, since cold approaches almost never happen to them in a day game setting. This of course is a huge spike in attraction.

Now, I do not know if this will be consistent for inexperienced guys who are not very good looking. I suspect it will be so long as he has enough confidence.

Freakyshaman Wrote:
You guys are all TOTALLY missing the point, he says that this is field tested 1 year+ and that it WORKS, and works CONSISTENTLY: THIS...IS...ALL...THAT...MATTERS. (when he says that "it works", I'm assuming he's consistently getting lays off of it, right Caligula??)


Yes.

With some proper phone game and the hug I mentioned in the OP, the date is immediately understood to be sexual. With good flirting and logistical management, lays are very consistent.

Souteneur Wrote:
I find this as a 'play it safe' alternative to really putting yourself out there. It may work for guys who will get discouraged and give up improving their success with women after a few dull interactions or a rejection from trying to pull a girl home the same night. Ultimately these guys have the odds against them until they grow some big enough balls though - and I say that with respect, as it took awhile for me to develop them as well before I made the decision to really work on this stuff.


I do not know your specific conditions, but I find most guys in this community to be pretty normal looking shy guys who are simply inexperienced with women. This method is designed to get them experience interacting with real women by asking for real phone numbers and getting real dates. Balls will grow naturally after the guy starts to get experience.

I see no reason to throw yourself in a club solely to get humiliated. I read accounts of frustrated guys on this board who have thrown themselves out there for months or even years with little to show for it. That is ridiculous when good alternatives are available.

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Guys need to push themselves and be willing to fail, and fail hard. Without the reference experiences of having dull conversations or having girls reject them before a meet-up, they can't expect to improve.


Most inexperienced guys have had plenty of lame ass conversations with chicks. Most, however, have not actually asked for phone numbers or gone on dates.

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I'm curious as to why you don't think an inexperienced guy shouldn't be gunning for a same night lay?


I have no ethical qualms with one night stands. However, the key for the inexperienced man is getting experience with women. Dates are usually a couple hours long and give him the opportunity to practice flirting and escalation in a calm environment. Rolling into clubs is fucking insanity from what I hear, with girls having massive shields and the music annoying the fuck out of you.

I say get experience with women first in a low stress, confidence building way and then, if you want, go into the clubs and go get your one night stands.

HotBox Wrote:
But just to put my comment in perspective, I've been finding stuff that works for me, in the game, for about 8 years.. So I wasn't debating based on some "theory" in my head.. I'm speaking from experience, that, at least for ME, qualification alone isn't going to get you girls.

But like I said, I'm not arguing to knock his advice.. just to put some warning into it that newbs who go around Screening girls without building Attraction, or demonstrating Value, will inevitably find themselves getting Shit-Tested left and right, and/or just plain blown out. And seeing as this advice is tailored for complete newbs, I think it's fair to say that teaching them to be attractive, value-exuding guys is the longer, but better, route to a strong foundation. I think THAT's what matters.


First off, I respect the fact that you have found stuff that has worked for you. This method is therefore probably a little too basic for you.

Like I said earlier, most guys who come into the community are normal looking shy guys who just haven't had much experience with women. Instead of learning hundreds of pages of theory and trying to apply even some of it, this is a much simpler way that will work in getting the guy phone numbers that will not flake and will get him dates.

Confidence will build from that.

-Caligula
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How much do you play Rome Total War?
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HotBox;270377 wrote:
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Hey I hear ya man.

But just to put my comment in perspective, I've been finding stuff that works for me, in the game, for about 8 years.. So I wasn't debating based on some "theory" in my head.. I'm speaking from experience, that, at least for ME, qualification alone isn't going to get you girls.

But like I said, I'm not arguing to knock his advice.. just to put some warning into it that newbs who go around Screening girls without building Attraction, or demonstrating Value, will inevitably find themselves getting Shit-Tested left and right, and/or just plain blown out. And seeing as this advice is tailored for complete newbs, I think it's fair to say that teaching them to be attractive, value-exuding guys is the longer, but better, route to a strong foundation. I think THAT's what matters.

But I feel like I'm knocking Cali's thread in my argument here, and I don't want to do that, because he posted it to offer genuine advice.

Screen the girl, make her qualify herself to you, for a smooth, efficient close. It IS good advice, I just didn't like the example. Maybe I felt inclined to jump all over it because "what else do you have going for you besides your looks?" is one of the oldest lines in the pickup community, and I've never been a fan of it.

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Yeah, sorry, you are right--I also think that he IS doing a lot of the things you mentioned like spiking attraction right off the bat through confidence/subcommunications AND the fact that he's relatively good looking (I can generally do the same thing during day game, which is what I'm exclusively doing right now, and honestly I need to work on qualification/rapport more than anything I think...).

Also, you mentioned shit tests, I've found that girls generally do very little of that during the day simply because (I think) it's a pretty low energy level and they would come off weird if they did...
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Caligula

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Bjorn89 Wrote:
How much do you play Rome Total War?


I played the game a few years ago and actually led a team. Good times. My buddy just got the new Total War game, which is also pretty awesome.

The pic itself from the show Rome, which is one of my favorite shows.

I believe Simon also acted in Pride and Prejudice.

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Also, you mentioned shit tests, I've found that girls generally do very little of that during the day simply because (I think) it's a pretty low energy level and they would come off weird if they did...


I have never, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever been shit tested during a 4 minute approach like this. The shit tests usually come during the date.

It might be different in clubs.

-Caligula
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