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RSD model is wrong
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Nolimitz

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I used to be a dude that was big into RSD back in the day, unfortunately I have come to the conclusion that their entire model is wrong. The entire PUA community is based on the lie that you need to "approach constantly to get women", while mass approaching may work for some it is largely a numbers game similar to sales (approach x number of women and you will get a few numbers, perhaps a few lays). This is common sense. 

Here is the model that actually works, and I have no vested interest in this I am only posting as a stranger. 

The model that actually works it to focus 100% of your time and energy on yourself, fuck going out....focus on building skills, businesses, and doing your own thing life. What is it that these RSD instructors are doing, that's right....they're building a business. When a female has to compete with your purpose in life she doesn't stand a fucking chance in hell. Make women your absolute BOTTOM priority, give them 0 time at all...if you can say no to women and focus on yourself then you can not only go far in the dating game, but you can go far IN LIFE. 

I really wish that RSD had focused on this concept back in the day. RSD offered some great self improvement tips, but most of it is superflous...all you need to do is focus on you. The best advice I got from RSD was Owen's advice on breakups...."Just focus on moving up in the world." And this is really the only advice you need, not just for breakups but for women in general. They always want to date up...but the real point is that your time is limited, don't waste it chasing pussy. 

Not hating on RSD, but for real....you can watch free tours all day long, but the game is over when you need a video to motivate you to take action. Motivation is utter bullshit. Just stay focused on your own shit and every year you do that your value rises as a man. The exact opposite is true for women....a large majority of women lose value every year. Men age like wine, women like milk. 

Might be typos, but I think i got my point across. Focus on your own shit, forget women entirely, and simply watch what happens. 
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TayF3rdLBC

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Nolimitz Wrote:
I used to be a dude that was big into RSD back in the day, unfortunately I have come to the conclusion that their entire model is wrong. The entire PUA community is based on the lie that you need to "approach constantly to get women", while mass approaching may work for some it is largely a numbers game similar to sales (approach x number of women and you will get a few numbers, perhaps a few lays). This is common sense. 

Here is the model that actually works, and I have no vested interest in this I am only posting as a stranger. 

The model that actually works it to focus 100% of your time and energy on yourself, fuck going out....focus on building skills, businesses, and doing your own thing life. What is it that these RSD instructors are doing, that's right....they're building a business. When a female has to compete with your purpose in life she doesn't stand a fucking chance in hell. Make women your absolute BOTTOM priority, give them 0 time at all...if you can say no to and focus on yourself then you can not only go far in the dating game, but you can go far IN LIFE. 

I really wish that RSD had focused on this concept back in the day. RSD offered some great self improvement tips, but most of it is superflous...all you need to do is focus on you. The best advice I got from RSD was Owen's advice on breakups...."Just focus on moving up in the world." And this is really the only advice you need, not just for breakups but for women in general. They always want to date up...but the real point is that your time limited, don't waste it chasing pussy. 

Not hating on RSD, but for real....you can watch free tours all day long, but the game is over when you need a video to motivate you to take action. Motivation is utter bullshit. Just stay focused on your own shit and every year you do that your value rises as a man. The exact opposite is true for women....a large majority of women lose value every year. Men age like wine, women like milk. 

Might be typos, but I think i got my point across. Focus on your own shit, forget women entirely, and simply watch what happens. 

Being a man on your path, not making the woman your main priority is tried and true advice. But to say don't approach and don't learn game is terrible advice if you want to consistently attract and fuck hot chicks from a position of power/choice.

You might think you're not running game and women are just coming into your life because you're on your path going your own way as a man but you ARE using game, you just aren’t aware of it because you don’t understand the depths of what you’re doing. All we’re doing is doing what you do but more efficiently and with more consistent success and with higher quality women and social circles, because we can explain what we’re doing and fine-tune it.

What you’re doing is basically saying “Anyone who uses electricity is stupid! I never use electricity! When I want a light to go on I just press the light switch and it goes on.”

I’m not saying you’re an idiot, but I’m saying that you don’t really understand the thing that you’re against and that your mindset has created a situation where you’re not very interested in (and in fact actively against) learning about how electricity works (metaphorically speaking) and why your view is illogical.

I’m not going to try to convince you of anything because I don’t care lol. I’m writing this just for everyone else.

Like, without game you can’t HAVE attraction. That’s just how it works. The same way that without electricity you can’t light that bulb. You can deliver that electricity in a lot of different ways, and you can make parts of that delivery system convenient or elaborate, and you can throw a little button on the end so people don’t see the wires or think about electricity traveling to the bulb through those wires and it FEELS like light switches just magically turn bulbs on…

…but underneath the surface, that bulb is turning on because of the electricity. You can NOT escape that.

The 4 stages go:
1) unconscious incompetence
2) conscious incompetence
3) conscious competence
4) unconscious competence

Most of the guys posting are in stages 2 or 3, that’s why they’re verbally dumping shit. Most Naturals are in stage 4. Most beta chodes are in stage 1. Often you’re straddling a couple stages, like you’re in stage 4 with eye-contact because you just do it all the time after practicing to do it lots but you haven’t done much text game and know you suck ass at it so you’re in stage 2 on your text game and working to get it up to stage 4.

But regardless of what stage you’re in, you’re still providing electricity to that light bulb to make it light up. Like I say, guaranteed if I was a fly on the wall observing your pulls I would be able to point out a shitload of game concepts you’re running and don’t realize you’re running, to get that outcome.

All PUA has done is gone from a broken light (stage 1), to realizing the light switch is broken (stage 2), to taking the drywall down and taking off the light switch covers to expose the wires and understand that system fully and try to make it as efficient as possible (stage 3) before they eventually put the walls back up and it just becomes a simple “light makes a bulb goes on” system again, except more efficient and with a full understanding of what’s going on (stage 4).
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Tyler

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Thanks for taking an interest in my stuff!  I understand what you're saying about working on yourself.  It's very important as a man to do that.

I can see you're evolving and that sounds awesome.  You may have reached a point where you MUST stop focusing on anything game related, as you have other prioties than women.

IMO please do not confuse that with what actually GETS YOU WOMEN.

Building my business is super important to me.  It's more important than women actually.  Honestly bro.... FUCK getting girls... when you compare that to the importance of BUILDING A LIFE.

So yes, that's a lot higher on the list of priorities.  It's super good when I see anyone focusing on that.

That being said, building your life does not GET you women.

If anything it makes you too busy to get women, and pushes you into a logical headspace instead of a more playful headspace ... when you're actually meeting them.

The "build it and they will come" is the biggest fallacy guys make.  This is not the movie Field Of Dreams with Kevin Costner lol.  This is stone cold reality.

Social conditioning and women trick us into this.  "Become a great man, and you will attract a great woman."  It sounds incredible, but that's not how things play out.

Same as marketing.  You think if you just focus on "product quality" that it will "sell itself".  It doesn't.

As my marketing mentor John Carlton always says, "Untold numbers of world class inventions are in the product-graveyard, because they were marketed by fools".

Working on yourself is great for "product quality".  A lot of 35 year old women who are ready to have children TRULY DO appreciate what a "great man" you've worked to become.  After they've been burnt by 50 or 100 "fuck boys" they finally realize that a guy with game isn't going to stick around to pay her bills and be a great dad.

But younger girls in their physical prime respond to ..... "marketing" - ie: "game".

I'm personally at a phase in my life that I am far more interested in personal development and business building than game.  But I have stayed teaching game longer than I want to (at a lot of personal risk) because so few people will tell you the truth about game, and I view it as a responsibility.

And one of those responsibilities is to explain ... "Look, it's super important to develop yourself and we WILL teach you a lot about that at RSD... but if you want fuck girls... then FUCK girls.... don't think your high integrity as a business visionary is going to make that happen... you fuck them by FUCKING THEM."

Anyway sounds like you have a direction and that's awesome.  Keep doing it.

Then if you get to a point where you see it doesn't actually get you girls, consider revisiting the game stuff!  At some point you WILL want to get laid with higher quality women.  When that becomes a higher priority than building your life, you'll have a different perspective on it.  For now it sounds like you have a direction that's best for you.

Tyler
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BlackRubles

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Tyler Wrote:


Same as marketing.  You think if you just focus on "product quality" that it will "sell itself".  It doesn't.

As my marketing mentor John Carlton always says, "Untold numbers of world class inventions are in the product-graveyard, because they were marketed by fools".

Working on yourself is great for "product quality".  A lot of 35 year old women who are ready to have children TRULY DO appreciate what a "great man" you've worked to become.  After they've been burnt by 50 or 100 "fuck boys" they finally realize that a guy with game isn't going to stick around to pay her bills and be a great dad.

But younger girls in their physical prime respond to ..... "marketing" - ie: "game".

I'm personally at a phase in my life that I am far more interested in personal development and business building than game.  But I have stayed teaching game longer than I want to (at a lot of personal risk) because so few people will tell you the truth about game, and I view it as a responsibility.

Tyler


There are plenty of hot women in their mid 20s (24,25,26) who have finished college and would love to be in commited loving relationships and also become mothers.

Not sure why you're pushing the narrative that it's mostly women in their mid 30s who want to enjoy the experience of motherhood. Maybe that's an LA thiing....

The worst thing you can do is market a shitty product. It does more harm than good.

I once did affiliate marketing for a teeth whitening product. I knew it didn't deliver the results that the copy suggested.

Sure it initially made me money but customers would email me with their frustrations, demanding a refund.

Not to mention, it triggered my guilty conscious to know that I was manipulating people in buying something that I knew wasn't of good quality.

Moral of the story: Sure you can toy with people's emotions by marketing a bad product but you'll never have long term customer retention.

The same applies to drawing women into your life. Sure you can pull off some shenanigans to occasionally hook up with them.

 But if you're not living a life that's congruent with your value system you'll struggle to retain these women.

The guy who has 30 followers on Instagram and a boring lifestyle is the last person who should be showcasing his mediocre lifestyle to hot chicks on social media.

He 'd be better off staying off social media until he has the financial means to improve his lifestyle and and hopefully benefit from things like Social Proof.

I'm a big believer in "The One Thing", and if a man feels that his product is sub standard then there's no shame in him going away and improving it.

There are so many male celebrities who have openly admitted that they were struggling to get girls before they were famous.

Now that they're famous, their product sells itself. Girls are actually pursuing them


 
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Tyler

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Thanks for participating on the forum man!  You definitely misunderstood what I was saying completely, but that's the limit of typing all this stuff out.

Tyler

BlackRubles Wrote:
Tyler Wrote:


Same as marketing.  You think if you just focus on "product quality" that it will "sell itself".  It doesn't.

As my marketing mentor John Carlton always says, "Untold numbers of world class inventions are in the product-graveyard, because they were marketed by fools".

Working on yourself is great for "product quality".  A lot of 35 year old women who are ready to have children TRULY DO appreciate what a "great man" you've worked to become.  After they've been burnt by 50 or 100 "fuck boys" they finally realize that a guy with game isn't going to stick around to pay her bills and be a great dad.

But younger girls in their physical prime respond to ..... "marketing" - ie: "game".

I'm personally at a phase in my life that I am far more interested in personal development and business building than game.  But I have stayed teaching game longer than I want to (at a lot of personal risk) because so few people will tell you the truth about game, and I view it as a responsibility.

Tyler


There are plenty of hot women in their mid 20s (24,25,26) who have finished college and would love to be in commited loving relationships and also become mothers.

Not sure why you're pushing the narrative that it's mostly women in their mid 30s who want to enjoy the experience of motherhood. Maybe that's an LA thiing....

The worst thing you can do is market a shitty product. It does more harm than good.

I once did affiliate marketing for a teeth whitening product. I knew it didn't deliver the results that the copy suggested.

Sure it initially made me money but customers would email me with their frustrations, demanding a refund.

Not to mention, it triggered my guilty conscious to know that I was manipulating people in buying something that I knew wasn't of good quality.

Moral of the story: Sure you can toy with people's emotions by marketing a bad product but you'll never have long term customer retention.

The same applies to drawing women into your life. Sure you can pull off some shenanigans to occasionally hook up with them.

 But if you're not living a life that's congruent with your value system you'll struggle to retain these women.

The guy who has 30 followers on Instagram and a boring lifestyle is the last person who should be showcasing his mediocre lifestyle to hot chicks on social media.

He 'd be better off staying off social media until he has the financial means to improve his lifestyle and and hopefully benefit from things like Social Proof.

I'm a big believer in "The One Thing", and if a man feels that his product is sub standard then there's no shame in him going away and improving it.

There are so many male celebrities who have openly admitted that they were struggling to get girls before they were famous.

Now that they're famous, their product sells itself. Girls are actually pursuing them


 
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Sheene

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Yeah I don't get RSD anymore. I've met some of the instructors and they don't do anything magical or get laid like Dan Bilzerian or something.
Yet they have a massive amount of nerdy dudes that love and worship them. It's fucked up. 
Regarding getting girls I feel setup is more important than hustle ur ass of every night in the clubs. 
 
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BE

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If you focus on yourself as you describe, you probably won't be the most arousing guy to women. However there's more to life and you should definately focus on your happiness as a foundation 

At the same time let go of yourself and go out




 
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samgamgee

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BlackRubles Wrote:
Tyler Wrote:


Same as marketing.  You think if you just focus on "product quality" that it will "sell itself".  It doesn't.

As my marketing mentor John Carlton always says, "Untold numbers of world class inventions are in the product-graveyard, because they were marketed by fools".

Working on yourself is great for "product quality".  A lot of 35 year old women who are ready to have children TRULY DO appreciate what a "great man" you've worked to become.  After they've been burnt by 50 or 100 "fuck boys" they finally realize that a guy with game isn't going to stick around to pay her bills and be a great dad.

But younger girls in their physical prime respond to ..... "marketing" - ie: "game".

I'm personally at a phase in my life that I am far more interested in personal development and business building than game.  But I have stayed teaching game longer than I want to (at a lot of personal risk) because so few people will tell you the truth about game, and I view it as a responsibility.

Tyler


There are plenty of hot women in their mid 20s (24,25,26) who have finished college and would love to be in commited loving relationships and also become mothers.

Not sure why you're pushing the narrative that it's mostly women in their mid 30s who want to enjoy the experience of motherhood. Maybe that's an LA thiing....

The worst thing you can do is market a shitty product. It does more harm than good.

I once did affiliate marketing for a teeth whitening product. I knew it didn't deliver the results that the copy suggested.

Sure it initially made me money but customers would email me with their frustrations, demanding a refund.

Not to mention, it triggered my guilty conscious to know that I was manipulating people in buying something that I knew wasn't of good quality.

Moral of the story: Sure you can toy with people's emotions by marketing a bad product but you'll never have long term customer retention.

The same applies to drawing women into your life. Sure you can pull off some shenanigans to occasionally hook up with them.

 But if you're not living a life that's congruent with your value system you'll struggle to retain these women.

The guy who has 30 followers on Instagram and a boring lifestyle is the last person who should be showcasing his mediocre lifestyle to hot chicks on social media.

He 'd be better off staying off social media until he has the financial means to improve his lifestyle and and hopefully benefit from things like Social Proof.

I'm a big believer in "The One Thing", and if a man feels that his product is sub standard then there's no shame in him going away and improving it.

There are so many male celebrities who have openly admitted that they were struggling to get girls before they were famous.

Now that they're famous, their product sells itself. Girls are actually pursuing them


 


If celebrity level fame is what YOU need to get women, then good luck with that. 

I agree that women shouldnt be the main focus of your life. But if you never practice game or actively try to improve, you won't be able to get girls once you feel "already" or "worthy" of girls, because of the size of your bank account. They might want to marry you and be mothers to your children, but that doesnt mean they'll feel a lick of attraction towards you. 
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BlackRubles Wrote:
Tyler Wrote:


Same as marketing.  You think if you just focus on "product quality" that it will "sell itself".  It doesn't.

As my marketing mentor John Carlton always says, "Untold numbers of world class inventions are in the product-graveyard, because they were marketed by fools".

Working on yourself is great for "product quality".  A lot of 35 year old women who are ready to have children TRULY DO appreciate what a "great man" you've worked to become.  After they've been burnt by 50 or 100 "fuck boys" they finally realize that a guy with game isn't going to stick around to pay her bills and be a great dad.

But younger girls in their physical prime respond to ..... "marketing" - ie: "game".

I'm personally at a phase in my life that I am far more interested in personal development and business building than game.  But I have stayed teaching game longer than I want to (at a lot of personal risk) because so few people will tell you the truth about game, and I view it as a responsibility.

Tyler


There are plenty of hot women in their mid 20s (24,25,26) who have finished college and would love to be in commited loving relationships and also become mothers.

Not sure why you're pushing the narrative that it's mostly women in their mid 30s who want to enjoy the experience of motherhood. Maybe that's an LA thiing....

The worst thing you can do is market a shitty product. It does more harm than good.

I once did affiliate marketing for a teeth whitening product. I knew it didn't deliver the results that the copy suggested.

Sure it initially made me money but customers would email me with their frustrations, demanding a refund.

Not to mention, it triggered my guilty conscious to know that I was manipulating people in buying something that I knew wasn't of good quality.

Moral of the story: Sure you can toy with people's emotions by marketing a bad product but you'll never have long term customer retention.

The same applies to drawing women into your life. Sure you can pull off some shenanigans to occasionally hook up with them.

 But if you're not living a life that's congruent with your value system you'll struggle to retain these women.

The guy who has 30 followers on Instagram and a boring lifestyle is the last person who should be showcasing his mediocre lifestyle to hot chicks on social media.

He 'd be better off staying off social media until he has the financial means to improve his lifestyle and and hopefully benefit from things like Social Proof.

I'm a big believer in "The One Thing", and if a man feels that his product is sub standard then there's no shame in him going away and improving it.

There are so many male celebrities who have openly admitted that they were struggling to get girls before they were famous.

Now that they're famous, their product sells itself. Girls are actually pursuing them


 


If celebrity level fame is what YOU need to get women, then good luck with that. 

I agree that women shouldnt be the main focus of your life. But if you never practice game or actively try to improve, you won't be able to get girls once you feel "already" or "worthy" of girls, because of the size of your bank account. They might want to marry you and be mothers to your children, but that doesnt mean they'll feel a lick of attraction towards you. 
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Morons. Tyler said it. And now I'm gonna say it.

I'm a pioneer myself, I learn game, not only for myself but to be able to teach it as well. (90% more work goes into it). I've tried everything under the sun, like really embodied it and looked at the results.

One of these things, is that in the club, it doesn't matter if you're a homeless retard or a demigod, you need game, you need to be emotionally stimulating, you need a dick and you need to lead.

There's nothing else. If you have tons of money, if you're in a logical headspace and all fucked up beliefs, you'll still end up sad and alone behind your table of fake friends and bottle of vodka or whatever.

If you focus on your life and IGNORE women completely.. then how the fuck do you think you'll get them? No matter how cool you are, no girl will come up and suck your dick(well almost ;) ) You wont have the time, energy nor the vibe to meet and hang out with women. You're completely missing the point and that is what game is about and RSD teaches. RSD gives it you real,. it delivers on the promise of REAL SOCIAL DYNAMICS. it offers excellent content for breaking the social brainwashing and let you do whatever the fuck you want, beginner and even intermediate content.

The worst thing is if you haven't been A LOT in the field and really given your best shot at this for a longer period of time, you will never see the truth and your own unlimited potential. Like dude... I wish everyone would discover the cool, awesome powers they have.

You don't believe in game, you don't believe in yourself
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They say that you need to go to places on a regular basis where there's a high volume of women, that you need to do this so many hours a week for a certain amount of years - only by doing this will you learn and improve.

But by following this doctrine you are putting the pursuit of women as your top priority agenda.
This may be a perfect opportunity for those without commitments, i.e, those who are still living at home and still in education etc, but it is just not a practical option for guys who's prior commitments are their job, career or business.

You're also expected to have extra-vocational activities (hobbies) as part of a balanced and interesting lifestyle and all these things need to be divided into chunks - including time committed to socializing.

I have a problem with those people who try to make you feel guilty be telling you you are making excuses by not making this massive commitment and accusing you of not wanting it enough.

Well what excuses should one make when they are not getting their work done, when they're skipping gym sessions and don't seem to be able to finish building that motorcycle?

Oh well I'm sorry, I've been going out for 4 hours a night, 7 nights a week trying to work out how to find a girl.
No, that's what Friday and Saturday nights are for. If you can't learn anything at the weekend then I think it's bad advice to tell people to drop all their shit and make pick up their number one priority in life.

I know Owen committed all his time to it, and likely a lot of other RSD people did too. But their lack of success with women in the beginning must have fucked with their heads really badly for them to have gone down that road.
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