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Oh and you know what's funny.. I also read this WHOLE thread a few years ago and it was one thing that really got me into EFT.
So I thank Shankar if he is still around! :)
So I thank Shankar if he is still around! :)
Let's just get this sorted right here and now. Everyone who's had success with EFT; say how many lays you got after starting EFT.
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Authenticity / Congruency is attraction.
Value does not exist. There is no such thing as high or low status behavior.
Value does not exist. There is no such thing as high or low status behavior.
haha.. focusing on just that is missing the depth of what it can do.
I have no problem stating, I am not a massive player or anything. But EFT allowed me to go from having massive traumas, ptsd and to be able to let that go and function relatively well in the world again.
I used to attract MASSIVE drama and bullshit from the girls I was with and since letting go of alot of what I was holding onto that has massively improved.
I went from working in a club, getting into a huge amount of fights because of my own bullshit and anger to being alot more calm.
That's a few things. I'm no longer interested in just number of lays personally.
I have no problem stating, I am not a massive player or anything. But EFT allowed me to go from having massive traumas, ptsd and to be able to let that go and function relatively well in the world again.
I used to attract MASSIVE drama and bullshit from the girls I was with and since letting go of alot of what I was holding onto that has massively improved.
I went from working in a club, getting into a huge amount of fights because of my own bullshit and anger to being alot more calm.
That's a few things. I'm no longer interested in just number of lays personally.
All those things are handled much more directly and effectively with meditation. So if it doesn't help you get laid, what's the point?
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Authenticity / Congruency is attraction.
Value does not exist. There is no such thing as high or low status behavior.
Value does not exist. There is no such thing as high or low status behavior.
Well I definately disagree with both of those things. But I really don't have any interest in trying to convert people who aren't open to it.. i'm only looking for people who are open to it.
Using that logic.. I should stop doing everything in my life that is of benefit that I enjoy if it doesn't get me laid. :z
Using that logic.. I should stop doing everything in my life that is of benefit that I enjoy if it doesn't get me laid. :z
Well I definately disagree with both of those things. But I really don't have any interest in trying to convert people who aren't open to it.. i'm only looking for people who are open to it.
Using that logic.. I should stop doing everything in my life that is of benefit that I enjoy if it doesn't get me laid. :z
No, using that logic you could be using meditation which is much more effective because not only does it dissolve pain, negativity and beliefs, it also protects you from creating further patterns of the same pathological nature, because you become aware of your mind and it's activity.Using that logic.. I should stop doing everything in my life that is of benefit that I enjoy if it doesn't get me laid. :z
EFT is like getting a massage. It may give you relief for a day, but if you do not change whatever it is that is making your body unnaturally sore and tired, you will soon need another massage, again and again and again.
EFT works because it is a mini meditation. The tapping does nothing, it's just there to keep you busy while you are feeling an emotion. There is no connection between the nervous system and emotional pain and beliefs. The nervous system is a simple pain / pleasure / muscle stimulus transmitter, and beliefs are an altogether much more complicated thing that has to do with the mind. The part that makes EFT works is feeling the emotion, which dissolves it, because all negative feelings are only in us because we refused to feel them and suppressed them at some point. Feeling them allows them to dissapate.
However, without the added awareness that you get from meditating and living more consciously of your mind, you have zero protection against the same things that created your pain and negative beliefs in the first place: the world. The world is a dysfunctional place, and it creates pain and suffering in everyone who is not aware enough to let it pass through them. Being aware allows all things to pass through you. When you are unaware, it sticks to you. EFT is a temporary relief, and only a small fraction of the whole practice - meditation.
You are of course correct that getting laid is not the most important thing in life, but that wasn't my point. My point was, if meditation is more effective at dissolving emotions and negative beliefs, and furthere more protect you from further absorbing the dysfunctional nature of the world and other people, what is the reason to use EFT? There is none. If you do not become aware of how you are living, and what is happening inside you, you are none wiser than before, you simply return to a state that is closer to when you where a child - but without the awareness of an adult to protect your innocence. You simply start the whole process over again, and come a few years, and you will be back to how you felt before.
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Authenticity / Congruency is attraction.
Value does not exist. There is no such thing as high or low status behavior.
Value does not exist. There is no such thing as high or low status behavior.
Ok I think I misjudged you, I didn't think you were genuine at the start.. I don't mind having a conversation about it because I can now see you are.
I have done some meditation but I haven't found those results. I've mostly done holosync and at the moment i'm doing a program called "Just Allow It" by GP Walsh. I found with holosync the thing was that it allowed more stuff to come up that I could work on with EFT.. I didn't find it a solution to these things in itself. Just allow it is all about allowing the feelings in your body to be there and it is effective, but I also beleive you have to go into your past and let it go to really get the effects.
Alot of what you said is part of EFT. Being aware of your patterns, how your mind creates trauma and negative beliefs etc.. and letting go of the past experiences that caused that.
It is interesting because I see meditation as a more long term, indirect way to do this stuff. Though I know it has alot of benefits.
I agree that if you don't go deep enough with EFT, such as getting to the deeper stuff and where the beliefs were created, the stuff will keep coming back.. that's why it takes courage to face the deeper stuff.. including your shadow self (the parts of you that you have ignored, pushed down etc..)
And it sounds like we are talking about doing similar things but just using different methods. It's good we could come to that in the end. :)
What kind of meditation do you do Thorzen?
I have done some meditation but I haven't found those results. I've mostly done holosync and at the moment i'm doing a program called "Just Allow It" by GP Walsh. I found with holosync the thing was that it allowed more stuff to come up that I could work on with EFT.. I didn't find it a solution to these things in itself. Just allow it is all about allowing the feelings in your body to be there and it is effective, but I also beleive you have to go into your past and let it go to really get the effects.
Alot of what you said is part of EFT. Being aware of your patterns, how your mind creates trauma and negative beliefs etc.. and letting go of the past experiences that caused that.
It is interesting because I see meditation as a more long term, indirect way to do this stuff. Though I know it has alot of benefits.
I agree that if you don't go deep enough with EFT, such as getting to the deeper stuff and where the beliefs were created, the stuff will keep coming back.. that's why it takes courage to face the deeper stuff.. including your shadow self (the parts of you that you have ignored, pushed down etc..)
And it sounds like we are talking about doing similar things but just using different methods. It's good we could come to that in the end. :)
What kind of meditation do you do Thorzen?
Very interesting how you've done "some" meditation and already have a clear opinion on it? Sheesh... that sounds profound duude... making conclusions or even hypothesis about an ancient method/idea that is said to require discipline, time, consistancy and dedication. Wow...
What Thorzen asked is VERY relative (about getting laid). Why? Well two reasons at least on first note: 1) This is a fucking PICK-UP forum in the end. And more importantly 2) I've seen many (even been there myself) who get into all sorts of inner stuff and forget the outer as well. Life is a paradox. It's a balance. It's a combination. It's a flow. It's everything, and nothing and (bla-bla-bla more...) - you get the picture. What i'm trying to tell is that NEITHER extreme is healthy nor successful approach (despite getting maniacal about something seeming the best way).
If you don't get laid - and still like/want girls - this means only one thing - you're NOT doing the RIGHT kind and right Amount of action. You're not bold/real enough to do so. Maybe you're into the damn mental-masturbation state. Or you're still unaware of the possibility on how and wether you can (and EVERY-man CAN) - but since you're on RSDN we exclude that option.
Mind you, Action could be defined as well as meditating or even NOT-approaching at times for a purpose - but in the end - it's still an action - a choice.
If you DON'T like girls on the other hand - wtf are you doing here?
See what i'm pointing out? Every guy who sits all day in his home tapping only for a "bright future" can blow me. Every guy who thinks "These material stuff are for the low human beings" at the age of 23 years old - can blow me as well. It doesn't matter if you have 0, 3 or 30 girls now - all it matters is you're not a pussy and don't breathe into that pattern of self-dellusion. Cuz honestly - i'm tired of seeing that. World needs more balanced and real people.
With all the love to each of you - from me! (:
What Thorzen asked is VERY relative (about getting laid). Why? Well two reasons at least on first note: 1) This is a fucking PICK-UP forum in the end. And more importantly 2) I've seen many (even been there myself) who get into all sorts of inner stuff and forget the outer as well. Life is a paradox. It's a balance. It's a combination. It's a flow. It's everything, and nothing and (bla-bla-bla more...) - you get the picture. What i'm trying to tell is that NEITHER extreme is healthy nor successful approach (despite getting maniacal about something seeming the best way).
If you don't get laid - and still like/want girls - this means only one thing - you're NOT doing the RIGHT kind and right Amount of action. You're not bold/real enough to do so. Maybe you're into the damn mental-masturbation state. Or you're still unaware of the possibility on how and wether you can (and EVERY-man CAN) - but since you're on RSDN we exclude that option.
Mind you, Action could be defined as well as meditating or even NOT-approaching at times for a purpose - but in the end - it's still an action - a choice.
If you DON'T like girls on the other hand - wtf are you doing here?
See what i'm pointing out? Every guy who sits all day in his home tapping only for a "bright future" can blow me. Every guy who thinks "These material stuff are for the low human beings" at the age of 23 years old - can blow me as well. It doesn't matter if you have 0, 3 or 30 girls now - all it matters is you're not a pussy and don't breathe into that pattern of self-dellusion. Cuz honestly - i'm tired of seeing that. World needs more balanced and real people.
With all the love to each of you - from me! (:
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The same could be said for his experience with EFT.. it doesn't sound at all like he has done much of it. When I say some meditation, over a year.. and that is definately a long enough time to form a clear opinion on anything.
Where the fuck have you pulled all this other crap your saying from?... it's like you've suddenly pulled it all out and projected it onto me.
Anyway.. anyone reading this who is open to EFT and not just to talk crap then let me know.
Where the fuck have you pulled all this other crap your saying from?... it's like you've suddenly pulled it all out and projected it onto me.
Anyway.. anyone reading this who is open to EFT and not just to talk crap then let me know.
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I tend to start with the surface stuff.. tap on the emotions that come up.. then go deeper into the memories that are connected to that.
In a way being effective in it is an artform.. to intuitively be able to be flexible with what is being presented as every person i've worked with is different and I have to be flexible with it on the spot to get to where I want to get them to.. which is changing the memory around to something positive that serves them.
How about this.. the first 5 people who are genuinely interested in applying EFT who post here I will give a free session on skype.. and what I will ask for back is feedback and reports of any results you get from it. And if you get value from it then feel free to send me a paypal donation to support my mission or continue with paid sessions after that.
PM me.. tell me a little about what you want to achieve.. if you have any past experience with EFT and how much.. and anything else relevant.
You will need a microphone and preferably a webcam so I can see your tapping the correct points.. but if not you can still see my webcam and the points i'm tapping.. but a mic is a MUST.. I once tried to give a session with text to a guy who had no mic, it was nearly impossible haha..