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Study: Looks Matter Less To Women Than They Do To Men
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Study: Looks Matter Less To Women Than They Do To Men
https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2014/07/17/study-looks-matter-less-to-women-than-they-do-to-men/ 

Once again, ❤science❤ has entered, stage right, as a supporting cast member of Chateau Heartiste’s magnum opus. You could say there’s a Heartiste Rule in effect at this happy hurting ground: 80% of keen-eyed CH lessons drawn from field experience are in short order confirmed by empirical rigor. The remaining 20% either await scientific vindication, or are too nuanced to mimic in the laboratory without great difficulty or unethical experimental tactics.

The latest salvo from science supports (right on cue!) the knowledge contained within a Heartistian Horcrux that the sexes perceive looks differently and are, as a result, affected by the physical attractiveness of the opposite sex differently.

In a series of interesting experiments measuring selective attention for beautiful people, it was discovered that,
When we strained our subjects’ attentional capacities, we found exactly what I had suspected several decades before: Men overestimated the number of beautiful women (though their estimates of handsome men were unaffected). Female subjects also overestimated the frequency of gorgeous women in the rapidly presented crowds, but they did not overestimate the frequency of handsome men. The whole body of findings points to a simple conclusion about beautiful women: They capture everyone’s attention and monopolize downstream cognitive processes. The conclusion about handsome men is different: They grab women’s eyes but do not hold their minds; good-looking guys quickly get washed out of the stream of mental processing.
This is in line with what we have been saying here for some time: Women are essentially less viscerally affected by good male looks than men are affected by good female looks. And whatever effect male handsomeness has on women’s senses is dissipated much faster from their mental landscapes than female beauty is expunged from men’s mental landscapes. This beautiful truth has far-reaching implications for practitioners of the crimson arts.
 
In our first study, [we] asked people to judge an average-looking woman after being exposed to one of two series of other women. Half the participants judged the target woman after seeing a series of unusually beautiful women; the other half judged her after seeing a series of average-looking women. As in the case of exposure to extremes of water temperature, exposure to extremes of physical appearance affected people’s judgments of what was average. As we had predicted, an average-looking woman was judged significantly uglier than normal if the subjects had just been gazing at a series of beauties.
And as game theorists will tell you, a charming man will be judged more attractive than he is if the woman in his company had just been hanging out with a bunch of boring betas.
 
Subjects in the control group first judged the artistic merit of abstract paintings such as Josef Albers’s Homage to the Square. The men in the experimental group saw centerfolds from Playboy and Penthouse; the women saw handsome naked men from Playgirl. After they had looked at either paintings or centerfolds, we asked our participants to rate their feelings about their current relationship partners. Again, there was a cover story — that psychologists were divided on whether being in a relationship opened people up to new aesthetic experiences or made them less open to novelty. To test which side was right, we told them, we needed to know about the extent to which their reported level of commitment depended on whether they had seen centerfolds.
Once again, the results displayed a curious gender difference:
Men who had viewed the centerfolds rated themselves as less in love with their partners; women’s judgments of their partners were not so easily swayed.
Once again, we see that male looks don’t compel nearly the same aroused urgency from women that female looks compel from men. Or, when women cheat, it’s not usually because they found a handsomer lover; it’s because the man they’re with stopped exciting them with their personalities.
 
The harmful side effect for guys … is this: Real women … do not look as attractive once the mind has been calibrated to assume the centerfolds are normal. And for guys in relationships, exposure to beautiful photos undermines their feelings about the real flesh-and-blood women with whom their lives are actually intertwined.
No this is the PC interpretation. More precisely, limited options and exclusion from beautiful women calibrates men’s minds to assume “real women” are prettier than they are.
 
But lest we’re too quick to assume men are the only ones who conform to the worst of their gender’s stereotypes, women didn’t fare much better when the experiment was repeated with power rather than beauty as the variable:
Seeing a series of socially dominant men undermined women’s commitment, just as seeing attractive women had done to men’s.
CARDIAC ARREST goes the feminist and manboob hamsters. Recall a very early post from the Chateau archives:
As I’ve written before, what men like in women is simple.

In descending order of importance, here are the female attractiveness traits that men desire in women:
Beauty.
Femininity.
Sexual eagerness.

In descending order of importance, here are the male attractiveness traits that women desire in men:
Psychosocial dominance (game).
High status/fame.
Personality (passion/charisma/humor).
Wealth.
Good looks/height/muscularity.
Cleverness/smarts.
Dependability/reliability.
Sexual prowess.
 
Men dig beauty.
Chicks dig power.
The rest is commentary.

And what a shitstorm of commentary it has been in the interim! Feminists and bitter beta males both heaving sandbags of rationalizations and wishful thinking and earnest platitudes against the ramparts so that they may bunker down and avoid dealing with these eternal earthy truths about the different sexual natures of men and women.
 
So what’s a mortal to do [about sensory overload and adaptation]? Are we helpless in the face of our evolved mechanisms, which may lead us astray without our conscious awareness? Not completely. People who understand the dangers of overabundant fats and sugars can control their diets. People who understand the dangers of an overabundant diet of mass-media images can stop gorging on Playboy, People, Sex and the City, or Dancing with the Stars.
Good god, this is some realtalk right here. Just as fatties can keep crap food out of their homes, the loveless and love-hungry can keep porn — the male and female versions of it — out of theirs.

It’s two for one day at Le Chateau, so here’s another recent relevant study that finds partner physical attractiveness is less important as a predictor of women’s marital satisfaction.
Do men value physical attractiveness in a mate more than women? Scientists in numerous disciplines believe that they do, but recent research using speed-dating paradigms suggests that males and females are equally influenced by physical attractiveness when choosing potential mates. Nevertheless, the premise of the current work is that sex differences in the importance of physical attractiveness are most likely to emerge in research on long-term relationships. Accordingly, the current work drew from 4 independent, longitudinal studies to examine sex differences in the implications of partner physical attractiveness for trajectories of marital satisfaction. In all 4 studies, both partners’ physical attractiveness was objectively rated at baseline, and both partners reported their marital satisfaction up to 8 times over the first 4 years of marriage. Whereas husbands were more satisfied at the beginning of the marriage and remained more satisfied over the next 4 years to the extent that they had an attractive wife, wives were no more or less satisfied initially or over the next 4 years to the extent that they had an attractive husband. Most importantly, a direct test indicated that partner physical attractiveness played a larger role in predicting husbands’ satisfaction than predicting wives’ satisfaction. These findings strengthen support for the idea that sex differences in self-reported preferences for physical attractiveness do have implications for long-term relationship outcomes.
Happy wife, happy life? Happy husband, stronger lovin’. Husbands have a responsibility to provide emotional and material support. Wives have a responsibility to provide beauty and sexual support. If either party reneges on their end of the deal — the equivalent of the dull, withdrawn, couch potato husband is the fat, unfeminine, nag wife — then the deal is severed, in practice if not in procedure. This is as decisive an IF-THEN statement as you’ll come across in the realm of human social interaction.

Men, know that your dominance and self-confidence are your passage to bangkunt. Women, know that your youth, beauty and slender hourglass figures are your passage to bangkok. The losers in life will wail and rend their XXXXL muu-muus disclaiming this romantic reality, but after a million terabytes and a billion snarled memes they are still on their knees, receiving a hot load of ostracism and despair from the winners at the party they desperately, secretly yearn to join.

UPDATE
Three for one, baby! Reader Will passes along another study that used MRIs to peer deep into male and female brains to discover the elemental neural processes at work when an attractive member of the opposite sex is in view.
Apologies (not too sorry) for this off-topic. Not sure if CH or anyone else has read this (probably). But it’s *science* that shows that guys are biologically wired to be *motivated* (read: boner) for visual ques (read tits and an ass) moreso than girls. This is an MRI being done on the brain that shows the amygdala is fired moreso in guys than girls when sexyness is visually seen.
This can be interpreted as how guys don’t care so much about status because the blood is rushed to our amygdala based on visual…. Not comparative social relations (such as power). Girls thus have more blood focusing on other parts of there brain such as which guy will give me higher status in terms of my social context.
 
Quoting the study results,
The emotion control center of the brain, the amygdala, shows significantly higher levels of activation in males viewing sexual visual stimuli than females viewing the same images, according to a Center for Behavioral Neuroscience study led by Emory University psychologists Stephan Hamann and Kim Wallen. The finding, which appears in the April edition of “Nature Neuroscience,” demonstrates how men and women process visual sexual stimuli differently, and it may explain gender variations in reproductive behavior. […]
The fMRI scans revealed significantly higher levels of activation in the amygdala, which controls emotion and motivation, in the brains of the male subjects compared to the females, despite the fact that both males and females expressed similar subjective assessments of their levels of arousal after viewing the images.
Hamann and Wallen had a separate group pre-select the images to ensure they would be equally arousing to both males and females.
“If males and females found the pictures equally arousing, you would assume they would have similar patterns of brain activation,” said Hamann. “But we discovered the male brain seems to process visual sexual cues differently.”
The scientists’ discovery also is consistent with an evolutionary theory that natural selection spurred the development of different sexual behaviors in males and females.
“There is an advantage for males in quickly recognizing and responding to receptive females through visual cues,” explains Hamann. “This allows them to maximize their mating opportunities, which increases their chances for passing on their genes.”
Another CH truth lovingly caressed by SCIENCE. And this is a humdinger of science, because it directly measured brain activation rather than indirectly through surveys or behavioral analysis.

Men are more viscerally aroused by female looks than are women by male looks. Men, therefore, can neither rely on their looks to get and keep women, nor excuse their failure with women based on their looks. Game, aka applied charisma, is about exploiting that soft space between a woman’s subjective assessment of her own arousal and her actual, primal arousal. As always, don’t listen to what women say, watch what they do. And nothing watches as closely as an MRI looking right into her friggin noggin.
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I think the best thing to do is just have sex with a lot of girls.  Don't worry about the looks thing one way or the other.  Focus on having a lot of sex with HOT girls.

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Tyler Wrote:
I think the best thing to do is just have sex with a lot of girls.  Don't worry about the looks thing one way or the other.  Focus on having a lot of sex with HOT girls.

Tyler


Uh part of focusing on "having a lot of sex with HOT girls" involves worrying about how you look. You wanna tell some fat slob to just carry on being fat and it will make no difference whether he's 250 lbs overweight or 8% body fat with abs and a chiselled jawline? Come on now.
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I see what you're saying.

I weigh 205 right now with a 42 inch waist and manboobs.  And bald.

I'm off on a date with a BALLER hot chick and fucked a really stunning girl yesterday.

I didn't use any crazy techniques to fuck these girls.  I just kick it with them.

The best thing to do is just have a lot of sex and then from there you won't be so worried about your looks since you realize they don't care.

It's better to do that than read a study.

Tyler

CJ the Player Wrote:
Tyler Wrote:
I think the best thing to do is just have sex with a lot of girls.  Don't worry about the looks thing one way or the other.  Focus on having a lot of sex with HOT girls.

Tyler


Uh part of focusing on "having a lot of sex with HOT girls" involves worrying about how you look. You wanna tell some fat slob to just carry on being fat and it will make no difference whether he's 250 lbs overweight or 8% body fat with abs and a chiselled jawline? Come on now.
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Better tell the girl at the start of this vid that she shouldn’t be into Tyler:


Or the chick at 7:05 in this video that she should go with the tall much better looking buff dudes that try to take Tyler’s girl:


Or any of the infield footage I can post of any of the guys who aren’t built like Hulk and who are pulling girls.
Ready to hear you "looks matters" guys explanations of how Tyler’s girl chooses Tyler over those guys. Like, let’s hear it, what do ya got? I’m legitimately open to explanations.

If the statement is “looks are important”, then if there’s even ONE VIDEO, let alone literally hundreds of videos, of guys without great looks getting girls, the statement “looks are important” is proven wrong. IT’s that simple. You can post 50 videos of guys with good looks getting girls, but as long as there are vids of guys without looks getting girls, especially getting them OVER guys with looks, there’s a flaw in your belief system that you aren’t offering explanations for.
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It's pretty obvious isn't it? They think Tyler is average looking, so he was never out of the game. It's important that your appearance doesn't cause the girl to literally feel disgust at the sight of you.

Good looks are gr8. I pull a bunch of women just off of appearance, and I'm an ugly kunt but they just like my physique so it's all good. Butterface game.

If it was true you could be a short ugly twink and be a pimp I'd feel much better, coz I'm alpha as fuck when I'm not sober.
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CJ the Player Wrote:
It's pretty obvious isn't it? They think Tyler is average looking, so he was never out of the game.

Lol not sure what part of the country or world you're from, but in the LA/Hollywood scene where Tyler mostly pimps it, he is far below "average looking"!

You didn't give an explanation though of how Tyler’s girl chooses Tyler over those guys. Like I said, I’m legitimately open to explanations.


 
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I fully understand that looks don't mean shit. I am goodlooking and my brother literally has supermodel aesthetics.. like one in a thousands face. He has dated average girls except for a hottie who turned out was cheating on him with a nasty (almost ugly) looking guy which rendered my brother deeply hurt because he knew what he looked like and his ego was crushed to the ground. It was a few years back and the day I realised that looks don't mean anything.
However, it doesn't mean looks don't help. 4 out of 10 girls hold eyecontact with me when I pass by which gives a massive ego boost and makes me believe that I can get those girls.
I have sucked with women all my life but here I am working my ass of for it. I do get easy initial attraction but it evaporates really quick and some girls just act bitchy and assume that I am arrogant because of my looks. "You think you're goodlooking and you can get away with that. Not gonna hapepen little guy!"
I've had girls say to me "I messaged you because you looked hot but you're not.. sorry XD". Often girls dm me on IG and compliment me that I am so hot and bla bla and eventually after a few text messages, they leave me on "read". How fucked up is that?
And the last thing is, you'll never win the looks game. Girls that like me because of my looks, almost always, turn to my brother or cousins instead cuz they are hotter. They even ask me to help them hook up with my brother/cousins. That is so devastating for my self esteem. I wonder how difficult it must be for average looking guys.





^Guy on the left has had one girl and he has settled for her. The curly hair guy has decent game and has dated 4- 5 girls which are hotter than what I've dated (I've dated 3 lol).
I put so much effort into writing this because posts like "Its all about looks" send me raging and angry. I get guys telling me "It is so easy for you dude". Fuck you, its not!
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TayF3rdLBC Wrote:
CJ the Player Wrote:
It's pretty obvious isn't it? They think Tyler is average looking, so he was never out of the game.

Lol not sure what part of the country or world you're from, but in the LA/Hollywood scene where Tyler mostly pimps it, he is far below "average looking"!

You didn't give an explanation though of how Tyler’s girl chooses Tyler over those guys. Like I said, I’m legitimately open to explanations.


 


I did explain why... Because they don't find Tyler physically rancid. And because they don't find him literally disgusting, he's in the game. Perhaps they find the hotter guys to be awkward betas, beta/awkward behavior is going to put women off when there was initially attraction present because of appearance. Check Madison Beer's latest boyfriend, he's incredibly average looking, but you best believe that she finds him to be at least passable in appearance, or she would never be with him. Remember that commercial with that obese ugly acne-covered nerd making out with Bar Rafaeli? Her look of disgust there, she would never sleep with him no matter how cool and confident he was, because she's actually physically repulsed. Basically the uglier you are the harder it's going to be to compensate for it.

With sexual repulsion present, you will never sleep with the girl. If you're acceptable to her then if you're fuckin' hardcore alpha badboy she will want to fuck (particularly if you're also built).

LA is also a weird location where status is everything. There are so many hot people that it loses its novelty. I'm not sure if that's actually true and it makes a difference, but I have that suspicion.

Tyler's being a bit disingenuous because he himself works out, wears nice outfits, has cool accessories like a beard, and looks pretty decent these days. The man must be almost 40 but compare him to how he looked in really early RSD products and he's hotter now despite that. He's obviously put a lot of effort into the way he looked. And so has Jeffy, Julien, Max...
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Thanks man I appreciate it.

TBH I reaaalllly fucked up the past 2 years.  I let myself go super super horrible.  I'm fat as fuck - 205 pounds, 42 inch waist and big time man boobs.  I'm also getting bald to the point I really need to consider shaving my head.

But ya I do take the time to wear cool clothes.

So I kind of think that's the point.  Just try to look a bit better, it's easy.

Now from there though, here's where it gets interesting.

I can, and often do, pimp without cool clothes.

Sometimes it's when it's super hot out, and all I can wear is a tee shirt.  And my gut and man boobs are sticking out.  And due to reading this horrible forum (just kidding.... sort of lol) I sometimes think "Oh man I'll have shitty results tonight looking so scrubby".

And guess what?  Those nights I often crush it the most, because I become more goofy and irreverent.

So there ya go man.  That's why I say this stuff.  I may be WRONG, but I am not DISINGENUOUS.  I speak what my experience shows me to be true as best as I can.  The whole conspiracy theory of me pushing guys to learn game regardless of looks is just silly.  I literally just had Elliott Hulse and Chris Barnard at my house a few minutes ago.  They would LOVE for me to say it's all about muscles and affiliate with them to sell more products.

And I will absolutely love to sell their products, but I'm not going to lie and say it's needed to get a girl.

Tyler

CJ the Player Wrote:
TayF3rdLBC Wrote:
CJ the Player Wrote:
It's pretty obvious isn't it? They think Tyler is average looking, so he was never out of the game.

Lol not sure what part of the country or world you're from, but in the LA/Hollywood scene where Tyler mostly pimps it, he is far below "average looking"!

You didn't give an explanation though of how Tyler’s girl chooses Tyler over those guys. Like I said, I’m legitimately open to explanations.


 


I did explain why... Because they don't find Tyler physically rancid. And because they don't find him literally disgusting, he's in the game. Perhaps they find the hotter guys to be awkward betas, beta/awkward behavior is going to put women off when there was initially attraction present because of appearance. Check Madison Beer's latest boyfriend, he's incredibly average looking, but you best believe that she finds him to be at least passable in appearance, or she would never be with him. Remember that commercial with that obese ugly acne-covered nerd making out with Bar Rafaeli? Her look of disgust there, she would never sleep with him no matter how cool and confident he was, because she's actually physically repulsed. Basically the uglier you are the harder it's going to be to compensate for it.

With sexual repulsion present, you will never sleep with the girl. If you're acceptable to her then if you're fuckin' hardcore alpha badboy she will want to fuck (particularly if you're also built).

LA is also a weird location where status is everything. There are so many hot people that it loses its novelty. I'm not sure if that's actually true and it makes a difference, but I have that suspicion.

Tyler's being a bit disingenuous because he himself works out, wears nice outfits, has cool accessories like a beard, and looks pretty decent these days. The man must be almost 40 but compare him to how he looked in really early RSD products and he's hotter now despite that. He's obviously put a lot of effort into the way he looked. And so has Jeffy, Julien, Max...
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Tyler Wrote:
Thanks man I appreciate it.

TBH I reaaalllly fucked up the past 2 years.  I let myself go super super horrible.  I'm fat as fuck - 205 pounds, 42 inch waist and big time man boobs.  I'm also getting bald to the point I really need to consider shaving my head.

But ya I do take the time to wear cool clothes.

So I kind of think that's the point.  Just try to look a bit better, it's easy.

Now from there though, here's where it gets interesting.

I can, and often do, pimp without cool clothes.

Sometimes it's when it's super hot out, and all I can wear is a tee shirt.  And my gut and man boobs are sticking out.  And due to reading this horrible forum (just kidding.... sort of lol) I sometimes think "Oh man I'll have shitty results tonight looking so scrubby".

And guess what?  Those nights I often crush it the most, because I become more goofy and irreverent.

So there ya go man.  That's why I say this stuff.  I may be WRONG, but I am not DISINGENUOUS.  I speak what my experience shows me to be true as best as I can.  The whole conspiracy theory of me pushing guys to learn game regardless of looks is just silly.  I literally just had Elliott Hulse and Chris Barnard at my house a few minutes ago.  They would LOVE for me to say it's all about muscles and affiliate with them to sell more products.

And I will absolutely love to sell their products, but I'm not going to lie and say it's needed to get a girl.

Tyler


Yeah well this is why it's weird. Because personality ALSO matters, if you literally become cooler and more alpha when you look worse, it might make up for the slight difference in appearance.

I don't think the ugly nerd who made out with Bar Rafaeli could ever sleep with her. Do you disagree with that? She was literally disgusted by him and probably felt sick at the thought of hooking up with him. I would be shocked if anyone you hook up with, even when dressed poorly with manboobs sticking out, found you disgusting in that way. More than likely you are viewed as average or even cute by some women, or they know you have high status, everyone knows even ugly guys with really high status like Mick Jagger are sorted...

I would enjoy personality being everything because I become alpha as fuck when I warp my brain with psychoactives. Being extremely in state like that can make up for a lagging appearance within reason, vice versa looking incredible can compensate a bit for lacking in the personality department (though not sure how hot you'd have to be to get away with legit social anxiety). So far I haven't managed to figure out exactly how far each factor can compensate for the other. But luckily I think not that many women view me as being repulsive, thanks to my physique, so for the most part I can just worry about looking my best to make life easier, and then being as alpha as possible.
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