THE FORUMS
Its done, my bootcamp is finished. Damn what a experience. All the sacrifices I made to be there, worth it.
Lets get this report rolling, the first post is my starting situation. Thats where I was coming from; a virgin, close to zero experience with girls and the only kiss I got is from a girl who threw herself on me. Talk about starting at the beginning. :D
Reading that first post is like seeing something from a distant age teleported through time. There's a slight disconnect with my former chode self.
I've got one major advantage though, I start at the bottom but I'm determined to learn these skills. There is no way I'll be a single old man who never shagged a girl in his life.
My mindset going into this bootcamp was simple, I'm going to do whatever Ryan tells me to and I will do it immediatley without hesitation. I will give everything I've got and then some, pushing myself past self conceived limits.
This is my bootcamp, my moment of change, the time to step up and become a man, my rite of initiation and I'm not about to screw this up.
Day 1: I don't give a fuck Friday
Arrived in Amsterdam early in the morning, plenty of time to find myself a hostel, settle in and find Ryan's hotel.
Over the internet I found the perfect hostel for me, right next to the red light district, not to far from Ryans hotel and close to the city centre.
Turns out the hostel is this chill place, with a bar downstairs. I'm sleeping in a room with 10 beds, freakin' hot (might as well have been a sauna) and little space to put your bags. No worries though, only need the hostel to sleep.
Go explore the city a bit while time is slowly crawling by. Bootcamp time is getting closer and I feel like its taking forever.
Finally time to go to the Hotel, time for bootcamp. Strangely enough, I wasn't nervous at all. The night before bootcamp I could barely sleep because of nervousness and thoughts barreling through my brain.
Later on I figured out why, its really simple actually. The night before I wasn't 100% sure that I was going to give everything, when I was walking towards Ryans hotel that doubt disappeared and with it my nervousness.
Turns out the hotel is a longer walk then I anticipated, I'm absolutely horrible at guessing distances. Still I got there with 10 minutes to spare. Hang around the lobby for a bit and in comes Ryan.
I get the impression he's just a normal cool guy, just like me. The only difference that he's got more experience and a few things better dialed.
Turns out I'm one hell of a lucky basterd, my bootcamp was first scheduled for 15-17 August but RSD asked me if I could reschedule to this date. No problem, changed a few things around and here we are. The thing is that 15-17 August was already filled up so they decided to do another bootcamp in Amsterdam, asked around and got 2 guys for it.
Well the other student that I was supposed to do the bootcamp with made a mistake, he thought the bootcamp was Saturday/Sunday/Monday. Lucky me the guy wasn't able to do the bootcamp now and Ryan rescheduled another bootcamp in 2 weeks for him.
This meant that my bootcamp turned into a 1 on 1, a first for Ryan. Go go quality.
And so the bootcamp begins, first up seminar time. Coming into the bootcamp with lack of sleep I knew that I needed water. If I don't drink enough water, I start getting headaches and losing concentration. If you add this to lack of sleep it ain't a pretty combination. So I was chugging water down like a machine, must have had like 3 liters of water during the seminar.
The cool thing is that I still got a headache, not from dehydration but from information overload. Good stuff.
I'm not going to tell you guys all the theory, its absolutely great but you can find it all over the forums and blogs or other success stories. The great thing about the seminar time is that even though I've read about all of this there where still a bunch of pieces missing that Ryan filled in. Not to mention that you trust the material a whole lot more if you've got a real life example sitting infront of you.
The bootcamp is not about the theory, its about putting that theory into practice. So lets jump forward towards the second part of day 1 I don't give a fuck Friday; field time.
Field Time
On my way to Ryans Hotel I kept repeating to myself 'I don't give a fuck what anybody thinks of me' in all kind of creative variations. This got me into state even before the field portion started.
Ryan never told me to do this but I figured it couldn't hurt.
While writing this portion I realized that my memories are all jumbled together, like they make no logical sense. I remember tidbits here and there and I must've forget a dozen sets that I did that night. The weird thing is that I can't remember any blow outs this night, I'm fairly sure I got a few but I can't reach the memory of them.
This part of my success story is pretty much a mess, can't help it really. My brain is still rewiring itself and this apparantly screws my memory's up as well.
Take a cab into the city centre and hop right into a bar.
Ryan definitley doesn't fuck around and points to a chick dancing on a platform with a guy. Real cute chick, nice ass and tits. I go up, I don't even remember what I said and start dancing with her.
I introduce myself to the guy, for whatever reason he loves me. Sounded like a Australian accent. Chick kept asking me where I was from, didn't respond half the time. She must've asked me the same question 20 times. At one point she's grinding me and I'm running my hands all over her body, it was definitley on.
A first time for me, I end up losing track of her at some point. No idea what happened here. Basically lack of experience lost me the girl, didn't know how to properly deal with this. No worries though I'll get it handled.
After the set get some feedback from Ryan and of to the next one. Don't really remember what happened the next half hour or so.
I remember that I opened a set outside at one point and I wanted to walk into a bar with them. Little did I know that you needed a wristband to get in, there you go cockblocked by a wristband. lol good stuff.
We get our wristbands and get into the bar, we are now part of a pub crawl through out the city. Fun stuff, first time I'm in a pub crawl and its not going to be my last time. Anyway get in and Ryan tells me to slow down, less game, more chill. This night I'm way way over the top, state pumping girls like crazy and then losing them. Ryan later on explains why this is, at one point he sends me into two UG's telling me to be very chill with them.
Damn thats harder then I thought lol. Imagine the scenery, they are sitting in a corner, one of them has a boyfriend attached to her and the other one looked bored out of her brain. There I was completely pumped up, on a energy scale from 0 to 10 they where at 1.6 and I was at 9. Massive disconnect.
I sit down and chat about whatever, holding myself back massively which turns out to be quite tough. Conversation silences a few times, turns out that when I try to take the game level down I also went silent. Err oops?? :p
Funny thing is I wasn't self conscious about the silences at all, more like errr I'll just stay seated.
Eventually Ryan pulls me out of the set and sends me into another one which I vaguely remember. Open and hook aren't a problem at all because of the high spikes I was causing, it never really went anywhere and eventually faded out when either I couldn't keep game going anymore or when they lost interest.
Next set learned a lesson the hard way, change the fucking topic. I ended up talking about beer and crazy ass beer party's for like 10 minutes with the chicks. Met them later on in the night again, they went 'oh look there's the beer guy'. I don't wanna be the beer guy, I'm the fucking sex worthy guy. Ah well fell into the same trap a few more times. No worries though, lesson learned (eventually).
Oh yeah, remember another set. Outside of the first bar opened a group of 4 or 5 girls, chatted with them about I think languages and countries and stuff while making fun of eachother. At one point two guys come trying to game the same set, I had been talking to them now for like 10 minutes or something. Wanted to try out the 'look at those creepy guys' for two reasons, one just to see what would happen and also because they where going after my girl. So I grabbed the nearest chick and whispered in her ear something in the range of, look at those creepy guys trying to pick you guys up. They end up getting blown out minutes later. Lol this stuff is good.
Looking back though I could've made them wings, ah well all experience.
End up walking with this group towards the next bar, I was constantly dragging them along. After a while Ryan pulls me out of there telling me that if I keep going at there pace I'm not on my path. He's absolutely right, I should've told the chicka's look I'm going to follow this pub crawl and you guys can come or not, up to you. Lesson learned.
Its funny, during the first night I learned like dozens of little things from Ryan but I can only consciously remember a few. The next night out I would in the middle of sets go 'oh wait I should do this not that because of xyz' and remember the lesson learned. Its all in there, just jumbled up and disorganized.
The rest of the night is pretty much a blur, I know I did a bunch more sets and learned a lot of things but details no clue. I know the lessons I learned will pop up at the right times though, I can trust myself to come up with the things I need when I need them.
At the end of a night its debrief time, Ryan explains to me why I need to chill down when I reach the attraction point. I get it and make a mental note to practice this on Saturday. Again we went through a few more things but my brain can't find them right now. I get my assignments for Saturday and walk back to my hostel.
Alright guys thats it for night one, some of the lessons I learned:
1) You can read/hear all the theory you want, only in field will it start to make sense. Only in field will it lodge itself into your brain and become second nature. I'm going to need a lot of field time to really get this shit handled even though I logically 'get' it.
2) After the attraction point, stop gaming.
3) Change the freakin' topic after you open, don't hang on to long then it won't go anywhere.
4) Judging by my memory's my identity took a pretty hefty hit, sweet...
I freakin' hate open endings, especially in bootcamp stories but my brain first needs to piece itself back together. I'll get to writing day two tomorrow.
Ps. Ryan, I went out Sunday evening and did my 5 approaches as promised. I must say I learned a lot that night. :p
Lets get this report rolling, the first post is my starting situation. Thats where I was coming from; a virgin, close to zero experience with girls and the only kiss I got is from a girl who threw herself on me. Talk about starting at the beginning. :D
Reading that first post is like seeing something from a distant age teleported through time. There's a slight disconnect with my former chode self.
I've got one major advantage though, I start at the bottom but I'm determined to learn these skills. There is no way I'll be a single old man who never shagged a girl in his life.
My mindset going into this bootcamp was simple, I'm going to do whatever Ryan tells me to and I will do it immediatley without hesitation. I will give everything I've got and then some, pushing myself past self conceived limits.
This is my bootcamp, my moment of change, the time to step up and become a man, my rite of initiation and I'm not about to screw this up.
Day 1: I don't give a fuck Friday
Arrived in Amsterdam early in the morning, plenty of time to find myself a hostel, settle in and find Ryan's hotel.
Over the internet I found the perfect hostel for me, right next to the red light district, not to far from Ryans hotel and close to the city centre.
Turns out the hostel is this chill place, with a bar downstairs. I'm sleeping in a room with 10 beds, freakin' hot (might as well have been a sauna) and little space to put your bags. No worries though, only need the hostel to sleep.
Go explore the city a bit while time is slowly crawling by. Bootcamp time is getting closer and I feel like its taking forever.
Finally time to go to the Hotel, time for bootcamp. Strangely enough, I wasn't nervous at all. The night before bootcamp I could barely sleep because of nervousness and thoughts barreling through my brain.
Later on I figured out why, its really simple actually. The night before I wasn't 100% sure that I was going to give everything, when I was walking towards Ryans hotel that doubt disappeared and with it my nervousness.
Turns out the hotel is a longer walk then I anticipated, I'm absolutely horrible at guessing distances. Still I got there with 10 minutes to spare. Hang around the lobby for a bit and in comes Ryan.
I get the impression he's just a normal cool guy, just like me. The only difference that he's got more experience and a few things better dialed.
Turns out I'm one hell of a lucky basterd, my bootcamp was first scheduled for 15-17 August but RSD asked me if I could reschedule to this date. No problem, changed a few things around and here we are. The thing is that 15-17 August was already filled up so they decided to do another bootcamp in Amsterdam, asked around and got 2 guys for it.
Well the other student that I was supposed to do the bootcamp with made a mistake, he thought the bootcamp was Saturday/Sunday/Monday. Lucky me the guy wasn't able to do the bootcamp now and Ryan rescheduled another bootcamp in 2 weeks for him.
This meant that my bootcamp turned into a 1 on 1, a first for Ryan. Go go quality.
And so the bootcamp begins, first up seminar time. Coming into the bootcamp with lack of sleep I knew that I needed water. If I don't drink enough water, I start getting headaches and losing concentration. If you add this to lack of sleep it ain't a pretty combination. So I was chugging water down like a machine, must have had like 3 liters of water during the seminar.
The cool thing is that I still got a headache, not from dehydration but from information overload. Good stuff.
I'm not going to tell you guys all the theory, its absolutely great but you can find it all over the forums and blogs or other success stories. The great thing about the seminar time is that even though I've read about all of this there where still a bunch of pieces missing that Ryan filled in. Not to mention that you trust the material a whole lot more if you've got a real life example sitting infront of you.
The bootcamp is not about the theory, its about putting that theory into practice. So lets jump forward towards the second part of day 1 I don't give a fuck Friday; field time.
Field Time
On my way to Ryans Hotel I kept repeating to myself 'I don't give a fuck what anybody thinks of me' in all kind of creative variations. This got me into state even before the field portion started.
Ryan never told me to do this but I figured it couldn't hurt.
While writing this portion I realized that my memories are all jumbled together, like they make no logical sense. I remember tidbits here and there and I must've forget a dozen sets that I did that night. The weird thing is that I can't remember any blow outs this night, I'm fairly sure I got a few but I can't reach the memory of them.
This part of my success story is pretty much a mess, can't help it really. My brain is still rewiring itself and this apparantly screws my memory's up as well.
Take a cab into the city centre and hop right into a bar.
Ryan definitley doesn't fuck around and points to a chick dancing on a platform with a guy. Real cute chick, nice ass and tits. I go up, I don't even remember what I said and start dancing with her.
I introduce myself to the guy, for whatever reason he loves me. Sounded like a Australian accent. Chick kept asking me where I was from, didn't respond half the time. She must've asked me the same question 20 times. At one point she's grinding me and I'm running my hands all over her body, it was definitley on.
A first time for me, I end up losing track of her at some point. No idea what happened here. Basically lack of experience lost me the girl, didn't know how to properly deal with this. No worries though I'll get it handled.
After the set get some feedback from Ryan and of to the next one. Don't really remember what happened the next half hour or so.
I remember that I opened a set outside at one point and I wanted to walk into a bar with them. Little did I know that you needed a wristband to get in, there you go cockblocked by a wristband. lol good stuff.
We get our wristbands and get into the bar, we are now part of a pub crawl through out the city. Fun stuff, first time I'm in a pub crawl and its not going to be my last time. Anyway get in and Ryan tells me to slow down, less game, more chill. This night I'm way way over the top, state pumping girls like crazy and then losing them. Ryan later on explains why this is, at one point he sends me into two UG's telling me to be very chill with them.
Damn thats harder then I thought lol. Imagine the scenery, they are sitting in a corner, one of them has a boyfriend attached to her and the other one looked bored out of her brain. There I was completely pumped up, on a energy scale from 0 to 10 they where at 1.6 and I was at 9. Massive disconnect.
I sit down and chat about whatever, holding myself back massively which turns out to be quite tough. Conversation silences a few times, turns out that when I try to take the game level down I also went silent. Err oops?? :p
Funny thing is I wasn't self conscious about the silences at all, more like errr I'll just stay seated.
Eventually Ryan pulls me out of the set and sends me into another one which I vaguely remember. Open and hook aren't a problem at all because of the high spikes I was causing, it never really went anywhere and eventually faded out when either I couldn't keep game going anymore or when they lost interest.
Next set learned a lesson the hard way, change the fucking topic. I ended up talking about beer and crazy ass beer party's for like 10 minutes with the chicks. Met them later on in the night again, they went 'oh look there's the beer guy'. I don't wanna be the beer guy, I'm the fucking sex worthy guy. Ah well fell into the same trap a few more times. No worries though, lesson learned (eventually).
Oh yeah, remember another set. Outside of the first bar opened a group of 4 or 5 girls, chatted with them about I think languages and countries and stuff while making fun of eachother. At one point two guys come trying to game the same set, I had been talking to them now for like 10 minutes or something. Wanted to try out the 'look at those creepy guys' for two reasons, one just to see what would happen and also because they where going after my girl. So I grabbed the nearest chick and whispered in her ear something in the range of, look at those creepy guys trying to pick you guys up. They end up getting blown out minutes later. Lol this stuff is good.
Looking back though I could've made them wings, ah well all experience.
End up walking with this group towards the next bar, I was constantly dragging them along. After a while Ryan pulls me out of there telling me that if I keep going at there pace I'm not on my path. He's absolutely right, I should've told the chicka's look I'm going to follow this pub crawl and you guys can come or not, up to you. Lesson learned.
Its funny, during the first night I learned like dozens of little things from Ryan but I can only consciously remember a few. The next night out I would in the middle of sets go 'oh wait I should do this not that because of xyz' and remember the lesson learned. Its all in there, just jumbled up and disorganized.
The rest of the night is pretty much a blur, I know I did a bunch more sets and learned a lot of things but details no clue. I know the lessons I learned will pop up at the right times though, I can trust myself to come up with the things I need when I need them.
At the end of a night its debrief time, Ryan explains to me why I need to chill down when I reach the attraction point. I get it and make a mental note to practice this on Saturday. Again we went through a few more things but my brain can't find them right now. I get my assignments for Saturday and walk back to my hostel.
Alright guys thats it for night one, some of the lessons I learned:
1) You can read/hear all the theory you want, only in field will it start to make sense. Only in field will it lodge itself into your brain and become second nature. I'm going to need a lot of field time to really get this shit handled even though I logically 'get' it.
2) After the attraction point, stop gaming.
3) Change the freakin' topic after you open, don't hang on to long then it won't go anywhere.
4) Judging by my memory's my identity took a pretty hefty hit, sweet...
I freakin' hate open endings, especially in bootcamp stories but my brain first needs to piece itself back together. I'll get to writing day two tomorrow.
Ps. Ryan, I went out Sunday evening and did my 5 approaches as promised. I must say I learned a lot that night. :p
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You coming to the free workshop?
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Bjorn89 Wrote:
You coming to the free workshop?
Nope, its my grandma's birthday.
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haha great! will see you on the next dutch meetup, cool too that you got 1 on 1.
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BWUUH! MILKSHAKES! RAW SEX!
Velouria Wrote:
haha great! will see you on the next dutch meetup, cool too that you got 1 on 1.
Any clue when the next meet up is going to be? Definitley excited about that.
By the way, your signature gave me inspiration for a new opener.
Go up.
Hey, I'm the reincarnated pablo picasso.
Want me to make a beautifull portret for you?
Alright cool.
Grab girl.
Pull out phone.
Make picture. There don't you love our portret.
So cool, so thanks for the inspiration man. :D
By the way guys, its proven to be harder then I thought to write out a decent report. Day 2 is like halfway finished now and I'll post it up later today.
Day 3 shouldn't be as tough, remember it completely.
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Alright day 2, things start going crazy.
Day time seminar, mind blowing once again. It makes all the difference if you have a dude who's been through it all sitting infront of you explaining everything from open to close. The interesting thing is that I was getting the training in a restaurant and looking back it must've looked weird. One guy talking passionately about fucking women while the other one is scribbling down notes lol. At the time though I was completely unaware of the possibility that people might find this strange, pretty awesome this 'I don't give a fuck what anyone thinks of me' mindset.
Anyway moving on, the theme for tonight is more intent and less dancing monkey. My memories of this night are even more messed up then night one, I'll just give you guys what I remember.
Tonight we go to Extreme, a more high class club. According to Ryan this should make things easier if your a high value guy, they recognize value better. I must say that I wasn't sure if this meant that it would be easier for me as well. The plan was to focus on Statements of Intent and multithreading. I have to admit that during the night out I had all these concepts from the seminar time floating around up there and I occasionally lost track of the plan. No worries though, try'd out a ton of different stuff tonight and from the stuff I do remember I had the multithreading down much better then the night before plus the SOI's where finally coming out.
Start of the night was rough for me, I couldn't tap into the rhytm of the place. Can't remember the sets specifically, just that I didn't feel great at the time. She feels what you feel and I probably got blown out a few times (not even sure though...). Alright some of the notable interactions:
At some point Ryan proposes a game, he makes up a line for me and points out a set. I have to approach using the line, after the approach the roles are switched up and I get to make up a line.
You can have so much fun with this game, next time I'm gonna mess around with this.
After this point I start feeling better and tapping into the rhytm of the night, interactions start picking up as well.
One of the chicks I do remember (mostly lol) was a 4 (or 5) set, one of the chicks was shorter then me, great body and cute face. She was loving me, laughing at everything I said. Apparantly she's on vacation here in Amsterdam and doing something in politics. At one point she wants to go dance, I lead her to the dancefloor. So important leading, need to remember this.
Her friends want to hang around the bar a little longer so we leave them alone.
On the floor she says something about this pic I showed her:
Which I absolutely love, definitley gonna show more chicks this picture just because I like it. :p
I say something in the line of, damn girl now your making me think naughty things. Go on a bit about that, she was eating it up like candy.
Dance for a bit, friends show up and after a while Ryan pulls me outta there.
Gives me some tips and I'm of the next one.
Its weird, I'm trying really hard to remember everything and I must've done like 20 sets or something. I can't seem to remember more then little flashes from that night out. The thing is though that during my day things keep popping up in my brain that I learned that night so they are up there somewhere just completely disorganized.
It probably also has something to do with that I'm sitting infront of my pc typing it up even though I experienced all of this stuff in a club with stimulation everywhere in a completely different state. Ah well its there, all I have to do is trust myself that what I need will pop up when I need it.
Next set I remember, Ryan tells me these are two high value chicks. I'm not really impressed to be honest, never had that much respect for the surface level value.
I approach them, say something irrelevant then notice one of them has a sweet tattoo on her arm. I go and examine it for a bit, tell her I love it and chat about that for a while. Ryan comes in as well and talks to her friend, its going pretty good. To be honest though I wasn't attracted to them at all.
At one point something really interesting happens, this guy walks up with a completely stoned up look on his face and his hair all over the place. Think mad doc type of guy. He walks up completely chill and moves to the chicks, I swear it looked like he knew them. It was like a perfect approach and we where a little bit taken a back by that. Like wow what is this?
So he says something and seconds later my girl has moved away from me and him and is standing 5 meters away from me. I'm still like looking at the guy 'whats this??', notice my girl is gone. After this the set was pretty much done and we leave again. Ah well good stories, next time I'll pull my girl aside protect her from this weirdo. They'd have loved that...
More sets I vaguely remember and we go outside for a debrief, at this point I was starting to get tired. My legs felt like yelly and my mind is foggy. So we go outside, debrief and at one point Ryan asks me the most important question of the entire bootcamp.
So how many times have your kissing attempts been rejected lately?
A bit sheepishly I admit that I've never been rejected like that before.
Ryan goes like; Ah lets go deal with that. Back of my mind goes, OH CRAP !!
So we go back into the club, the goal; Attempted kiss atleast 5 times.
Ryan has this flashlight and when he flashes in my eyes I've got 4-6 seconds to go for the make out.
Something clicks in the back of my mind and I go internally, well gotta do it now. The click went off partially because of excitement (yeah outside of comfort zone, go go) and partially from fear (oh crap, whats Ryan going to do if I don't try. I know one thing, I won't like it).
So we go back in and find a chick I've talked to before. Talk to her for a bit and there you have it the flashlight of doom. The moment Ryan flashes me she goes talking to her friends. Lol nice timing, I get up close. Triangular gazing and go for the kiss. Turns me the cheek and I feel GREAT. DONE 4 more to go.
Do another attempt in the same club, pretty much same responce. This time with a chick I've talked to for like 2 or 3 minutes. Ah lovely.
The club is starting to close down at this point but I still need 3 more attempts so we go outside. Walk around trying to find a bar to enter.
Find one thats still open, go inside. Open, talk and there's the flash again.
Go for it.
Next few I don't even remember, all I know is that at the end of the night I had 6 rejected kisses under my belt and I felt a whole lot better.
At that point everything inside of me was screaming to end the night on this. This is one of most valuable lessons I learned at that point.
You see, Ryan didn't want to quit. Nooooo he wanted to get laid. So he kept going and my mind kept going 'stop this, end of night, not good, stop' and the guy kept going for like another half hour. Thats the difference between a sexworthy guy and a chode as well. The sexworthy guy doesn't give up no matter what. The nights not over untill your asleep, there's always a chance.
Ryan was completely focused on getting laid, he didn't give a shit that he was getting blown out. I doubt it even registered in his brain.
Thats one of the biggest things I took away from that night.
At one point we say goodbye and we each go on our seperate ways, I've got about half an hour walk back to my hotel to think about the night.
While I was walking back I noticed something interesting, there where all these guys coming back from night clubs with nothing. It looked like they where trying to have fun but there was something missing. Like they didn't feel worthy of it. At the same time I was feeling good, tired as fuck yeah, legs like yelly and a mind like sludge for sure but still feeling good about myself. Those other guys didn't feel good about about themselves, they let themselves down. They let there true core down that night, perhaps they saw the perfect babe for them and didn't go talk to her.
So yeah that was my final lesson for that night 'dont let your core down'...
Next up, the day time session. I'll post this up tomorrow.
Day time seminar, mind blowing once again. It makes all the difference if you have a dude who's been through it all sitting infront of you explaining everything from open to close. The interesting thing is that I was getting the training in a restaurant and looking back it must've looked weird. One guy talking passionately about fucking women while the other one is scribbling down notes lol. At the time though I was completely unaware of the possibility that people might find this strange, pretty awesome this 'I don't give a fuck what anyone thinks of me' mindset.
Anyway moving on, the theme for tonight is more intent and less dancing monkey. My memories of this night are even more messed up then night one, I'll just give you guys what I remember.
Tonight we go to Extreme, a more high class club. According to Ryan this should make things easier if your a high value guy, they recognize value better. I must say that I wasn't sure if this meant that it would be easier for me as well. The plan was to focus on Statements of Intent and multithreading. I have to admit that during the night out I had all these concepts from the seminar time floating around up there and I occasionally lost track of the plan. No worries though, try'd out a ton of different stuff tonight and from the stuff I do remember I had the multithreading down much better then the night before plus the SOI's where finally coming out.
Start of the night was rough for me, I couldn't tap into the rhytm of the place. Can't remember the sets specifically, just that I didn't feel great at the time. She feels what you feel and I probably got blown out a few times (not even sure though...). Alright some of the notable interactions:
At some point Ryan proposes a game, he makes up a line for me and points out a set. I have to approach using the line, after the approach the roles are switched up and I get to make up a line.
You can have so much fun with this game, next time I'm gonna mess around with this.
After this point I start feeling better and tapping into the rhytm of the night, interactions start picking up as well.
One of the chicks I do remember (mostly lol) was a 4 (or 5) set, one of the chicks was shorter then me, great body and cute face. She was loving me, laughing at everything I said. Apparantly she's on vacation here in Amsterdam and doing something in politics. At one point she wants to go dance, I lead her to the dancefloor. So important leading, need to remember this.
Her friends want to hang around the bar a little longer so we leave them alone.
On the floor she says something about this pic I showed her:
Which I absolutely love, definitley gonna show more chicks this picture just because I like it. :p
I say something in the line of, damn girl now your making me think naughty things. Go on a bit about that, she was eating it up like candy.
Dance for a bit, friends show up and after a while Ryan pulls me outta there.
Gives me some tips and I'm of the next one.
Its weird, I'm trying really hard to remember everything and I must've done like 20 sets or something. I can't seem to remember more then little flashes from that night out. The thing is though that during my day things keep popping up in my brain that I learned that night so they are up there somewhere just completely disorganized.
It probably also has something to do with that I'm sitting infront of my pc typing it up even though I experienced all of this stuff in a club with stimulation everywhere in a completely different state. Ah well its there, all I have to do is trust myself that what I need will pop up when I need it.
Next set I remember, Ryan tells me these are two high value chicks. I'm not really impressed to be honest, never had that much respect for the surface level value.
I approach them, say something irrelevant then notice one of them has a sweet tattoo on her arm. I go and examine it for a bit, tell her I love it and chat about that for a while. Ryan comes in as well and talks to her friend, its going pretty good. To be honest though I wasn't attracted to them at all.
At one point something really interesting happens, this guy walks up with a completely stoned up look on his face and his hair all over the place. Think mad doc type of guy. He walks up completely chill and moves to the chicks, I swear it looked like he knew them. It was like a perfect approach and we where a little bit taken a back by that. Like wow what is this?
So he says something and seconds later my girl has moved away from me and him and is standing 5 meters away from me. I'm still like looking at the guy 'whats this??', notice my girl is gone. After this the set was pretty much done and we leave again. Ah well good stories, next time I'll pull my girl aside protect her from this weirdo. They'd have loved that...
More sets I vaguely remember and we go outside for a debrief, at this point I was starting to get tired. My legs felt like yelly and my mind is foggy. So we go outside, debrief and at one point Ryan asks me the most important question of the entire bootcamp.
So how many times have your kissing attempts been rejected lately?
A bit sheepishly I admit that I've never been rejected like that before.
Ryan goes like; Ah lets go deal with that. Back of my mind goes, OH CRAP !!
So we go back into the club, the goal; Attempted kiss atleast 5 times.
Ryan has this flashlight and when he flashes in my eyes I've got 4-6 seconds to go for the make out.
Something clicks in the back of my mind and I go internally, well gotta do it now. The click went off partially because of excitement (yeah outside of comfort zone, go go) and partially from fear (oh crap, whats Ryan going to do if I don't try. I know one thing, I won't like it).
So we go back in and find a chick I've talked to before. Talk to her for a bit and there you have it the flashlight of doom. The moment Ryan flashes me she goes talking to her friends. Lol nice timing, I get up close. Triangular gazing and go for the kiss. Turns me the cheek and I feel GREAT. DONE 4 more to go.
Do another attempt in the same club, pretty much same responce. This time with a chick I've talked to for like 2 or 3 minutes. Ah lovely.
The club is starting to close down at this point but I still need 3 more attempts so we go outside. Walk around trying to find a bar to enter.
Find one thats still open, go inside. Open, talk and there's the flash again.
Go for it.
Next few I don't even remember, all I know is that at the end of the night I had 6 rejected kisses under my belt and I felt a whole lot better.
At that point everything inside of me was screaming to end the night on this. This is one of most valuable lessons I learned at that point.
You see, Ryan didn't want to quit. Nooooo he wanted to get laid. So he kept going and my mind kept going 'stop this, end of night, not good, stop' and the guy kept going for like another half hour. Thats the difference between a sexworthy guy and a chode as well. The sexworthy guy doesn't give up no matter what. The nights not over untill your asleep, there's always a chance.
Ryan was completely focused on getting laid, he didn't give a shit that he was getting blown out. I doubt it even registered in his brain.
Thats one of the biggest things I took away from that night.
At one point we say goodbye and we each go on our seperate ways, I've got about half an hour walk back to my hotel to think about the night.
While I was walking back I noticed something interesting, there where all these guys coming back from night clubs with nothing. It looked like they where trying to have fun but there was something missing. Like they didn't feel worthy of it. At the same time I was feeling good, tired as fuck yeah, legs like yelly and a mind like sludge for sure but still feeling good about myself. Those other guys didn't feel good about about themselves, they let themselves down. They let there true core down that night, perhaps they saw the perfect babe for them and didn't go talk to her.
So yeah that was my final lesson for that night 'dont let your core down'...
Next up, the day time session. I'll post this up tomorrow.
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Alright guys, last day. Time to wrap the bootcamp up and do it with a bang.
Day 3: Daytime session
To city centre it is, first its time for some more seminar time. All the concepts start coming together, closing time, phone game and day game.
My brain was so fried at that point (thank god I made notes lol) that I actually thought there wasn't going to be a day time field portion, I've read plenty of reports to know better hahah.
Ryan quickly goes over some day time theory, which proved to be extremely helpfull. Then it was time for the day time field proportion.
In total I did 5 approaches (the goal) on the street that day. Actually by the end of the day it turned out to be 6 as I did one more after the bootcamp was finished (). Once again my brain must be made out of jelly because I only remember 3 out of the 5 approaches. I'm fairly certain I got blown out the other 2 times so that would explain why I forgot them hahah.
Approach nr. one:
See a chick on the other side of the street, go up to her. Ask whatever (forgot) and chat for a few minutes. About halfway through I notice 5 people to the right of my looking at her expectantly. Mom, dad and two younger kids. The good thing is they all stood there for atleast another minute just waiting for me to finish lol. At one point mentions something that she has to keep going. I just keep on talking like nothing happened, she takes a few steps then turns, stops for a few more seconds and finally decides to keep walking after dad starts looking real impatient. Had fun with that one.
Approach nr. two:
I was to ask for a birthday present that I needed to get for my 12 year old niece. Walk up, tap shoulder and talk. According to her there's a shop just ahead where I might find something. I'm thinking insta date and tell her to show me. As where walking towards the shop I look at her and below the massive sun glasses she looks a bit young. So, how old are you? 15. Oh crap lol. Get to the shop, say thanks and leave.
A couple of things Ryan coached me on here, one don't come from behind. This one stopped and talk but it lowers the odds. Makes sense if they can't see you, what if your some creep.
Another one was that I pretended to go into the shop after the chick keeps on walking. The thing about that is, the chick knows your not interested in a present. So there's no real point to 'check out the shop', it just displays your insecurity.
Approach nr. three:
Ah this is a fun one for sure. Its the last approach of bootcamp and I get a bit of a challenge. I'm to go up to the two chicks and ask if they know where a pharmacy is? Because I've got some gas problems. So off I go, now these girls where dutch. I figured that one out the moment the first few words came out of there mouth's (lovely accents), they didn't figure out that I was dutch though...not yet anyway
Funnily enough they take the question very seriously and start discussing in dutch where to best find something for this very important problem. I'm just grinning ear to ear while I'm listening.
After a bit of this they come up with an answer, time to change the topic I guess so I respond back; ah dank je wel, dat had ik echt nodig (ah thanks a lot, I really needed that). They kinda look flustered for a second and do the typical 'oh you basterd'.
Chat some more and I admit I just want to talk to them and I don't really have gas, I know I'm a horrible person. Fairly sure they tossed a shit test in here as well, said something like 'so you always go up to girls like this' no idea what I responded but got them laughing hehe.
Find out the cute one is going to move to Amsterdam soon and they'r just exploring the city for a bit.
At this point I should've asked for a number but totally forgot (yeah I literally forgot lol), before I knew it the ugly one went; oh we need to keep looking around and poof they where gone.
Crap lol, told Ryan what happened. Apparantly the 'oh crap should've done this' will come up a lot more often. On the bright side, chodes go 'oh crap shouldve talked to her' atleast thats something I don't have to worry about anymore. Got that covered.
End of bootcamp
We end the field proportion with this and of we go for the rest of the seminar time. At this point I'm thinking, damn this weekend flew by, its a shame that it'll have to end already. Refocus on the seminar time and of we go again. Talking about the broader picture, the lifestyle and how to integrate it. Talk about giving value to the people around you, how important it is for your self image and all the benefits that come with it; not just for you but also for the people around you. Especially the giving value part really hit me, I've heard it before but this time it HIT.
Walking back from the bootcamp I gave value as much as possible (opening a mom/chick set, helping out some guy doing magic tricks, being friendly to staff etc.) and kept this up going back home.
Its interesting, at the end of the bootcamp I didn't get a single close. Not a kiss or even a number. This is OK because I learned so much instead and I know there so much more to learn. Its going to be a amazing ride to glory and I'm going to enjoy every step of the way (yes even the blow outs :D). Thanks Ryan for doing a amazing job.
Ps. Ryan can you post up the picture you made at the end of the bootcamp. I'd say its a good way to end this report with us two grinning.
Day 3: Daytime session
To city centre it is, first its time for some more seminar time. All the concepts start coming together, closing time, phone game and day game.
My brain was so fried at that point (thank god I made notes lol) that I actually thought there wasn't going to be a day time field portion, I've read plenty of reports to know better hahah.
Ryan quickly goes over some day time theory, which proved to be extremely helpfull. Then it was time for the day time field proportion.
In total I did 5 approaches (the goal) on the street that day. Actually by the end of the day it turned out to be 6 as I did one more after the bootcamp was finished (
). Once again my brain must be made out of jelly because I only remember 3 out of the 5 approaches. I'm fairly certain I got blown out the other 2 times so that would explain why I forgot them hahah. Approach nr. one:
See a chick on the other side of the street, go up to her. Ask whatever (forgot) and chat for a few minutes. About halfway through I notice 5 people to the right of my looking at her expectantly. Mom, dad and two younger kids. The good thing is they all stood there for atleast another minute just waiting for me to finish lol. At one point mentions something that she has to keep going. I just keep on talking like nothing happened, she takes a few steps then turns, stops for a few more seconds and finally decides to keep walking after dad starts looking real impatient. Had fun with that one.
Approach nr. two:
I was to ask for a birthday present that I needed to get for my 12 year old niece. Walk up, tap shoulder and talk. According to her there's a shop just ahead where I might find something. I'm thinking insta date and tell her to show me. As where walking towards the shop I look at her and below the massive sun glasses she looks a bit young. So, how old are you? 15. Oh crap lol. Get to the shop, say thanks and leave.
A couple of things Ryan coached me on here, one don't come from behind. This one stopped and talk but it lowers the odds. Makes sense if they can't see you, what if your some creep.
Another one was that I pretended to go into the shop after the chick keeps on walking. The thing about that is, the chick knows your not interested in a present. So there's no real point to 'check out the shop', it just displays your insecurity.
Approach nr. three:
Ah this is a fun one for sure. Its the last approach of bootcamp and I get a bit of a challenge. I'm to go up to the two chicks and ask if they know where a pharmacy is? Because I've got some gas problems. So off I go, now these girls where dutch. I figured that one out the moment the first few words came out of there mouth's (lovely accents), they didn't figure out that I was dutch though...not yet anyway
Funnily enough they take the question very seriously and start discussing in dutch where to best find something for this very important problem. I'm just grinning ear to ear while I'm listening.
After a bit of this they come up with an answer, time to change the topic I guess so I respond back; ah dank je wel, dat had ik echt nodig (ah thanks a lot, I really needed that). They kinda look flustered for a second and do the typical 'oh you basterd'.
Chat some more and I admit I just want to talk to them and I don't really have gas, I know I'm a horrible person. Fairly sure they tossed a shit test in here as well, said something like 'so you always go up to girls like this' no idea what I responded but got them laughing hehe.
Find out the cute one is going to move to Amsterdam soon and they'r just exploring the city for a bit.
At this point I should've asked for a number but totally forgot (yeah I literally forgot lol), before I knew it the ugly one went; oh we need to keep looking around and poof they where gone.
Crap lol, told Ryan what happened. Apparantly the 'oh crap should've done this' will come up a lot more often. On the bright side, chodes go 'oh crap shouldve talked to her' atleast thats something I don't have to worry about anymore. Got that covered.
End of bootcamp
We end the field proportion with this and of we go for the rest of the seminar time. At this point I'm thinking, damn this weekend flew by, its a shame that it'll have to end already. Refocus on the seminar time and of we go again. Talking about the broader picture, the lifestyle and how to integrate it. Talk about giving value to the people around you, how important it is for your self image and all the benefits that come with it; not just for you but also for the people around you. Especially the giving value part really hit me, I've heard it before but this time it HIT.
Walking back from the bootcamp I gave value as much as possible (opening a mom/chick set, helping out some guy doing magic tricks, being friendly to staff etc.) and kept this up going back home.
Its interesting, at the end of the bootcamp I didn't get a single close. Not a kiss or even a number. This is OK because I learned so much instead and I know there so much more to learn. Its going to be a amazing ride to glory and I'm going to enjoy every step of the way (yes even the blow outs :D). Thanks Ryan for doing a amazing job.
Ps. Ryan can you post up the picture you made at the end of the bootcamp. I'd say its a good way to end this report with us two grinning.
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This is interesting. The last couple of days I haven't felt to great and I'm starting to get sick. I haven't been sick in a long long time.
It might have something to do with bootcamp because of the stress. Funny, perhaps RSD should give a warning;
'Warning: Bootcamp may cause extreme stress levels and various forms of ilnesses may come with this'
:D
It might have something to do with bootcamp because of the stress. Funny, perhaps RSD should give a warning;
'Warning: Bootcamp may cause extreme stress levels and various forms of ilnesses may come with this'
:D
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Hey man, you changed your forum name! Is this a born-again post BC thing? :D
Ha ha. Love it.
One on One bootcamp? You lucky bastard! Inspiring report man, I remember writing I hope your bootcamp is insane. Sounds close enough, well done.
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I'm to go up to the two chicks and ask if they know where a pharmacy is? Because I've got some gas problems
Ha ha. Love it.
One on One bootcamp? You lucky bastard! Inspiring report man, I remember writing I hope your bootcamp is insane. Sounds close enough, well done.
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Hey man, you changed your forum name! Is this a born-again post BC thing? :D
Ha ha. Love it.
One on One bootcamp? You lucky bastard! Inspiring report man, I remember writing I hope your bootcamp is insane. Sounds close enough, well done.
Yeah, figured the name change was appropriate.
Indeed, incredibly lucky. Like sick sick SICK lucky lol. The bootcamp actually went above and beyond any of my expections, which where sky high. So props to Ryan for delivering a excellent 1 on 1 first timer.
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Join Date: 05/12/2007 | Posts: 1489
Student, 21 years old. Beginner in the game (0-500 approaches, closer to 0 then 500).
Backstory
Almost every story I've heard of how people got into the game talk about relationships gone bad.
Mine is a bit different, you see I've never had a girlfriend. The closest I ever got was a chick at a club who made out with me. I had no idea how to take it any further, up to that point the chick made all the moves. All I did was stand and dance when she suddenly got in my face.
What made matters even worse is that she wasn't the most good looking lady in the room.
It gets even more horrible, one of my ex-friends (ugly as fuck, big time dancing monkey) ended up hooking up with her the next time we went out. I remember how he took her phonenumber, I was to scared to ask it lol and the rest of the night spend messing around with her while I was standing on the sidelines.
Next week when I met the girl again she went cold on me (no suprise here but hindsight 20/20) and pretty much told everyone that I sucked and how much she adored my ex-friend. I can't really blame her or my ex-friend though, I deserved that shit for being a pussy.
I've got a pretty good idea on why it got so far, goes quite far back actually. Its not really relevant right now, can't change the past only the present.
After messing around another year, getting addicted to poker (won a bit) and world of warcraft (easy escape from reality) I got into Personal Development. I got addicted to reading forums/books on PD at that point as well, this time it had a different result. You can only escape reality for so long and it eventually caught up with me. Did a few more stupid things.
Then through one of the forums I got here at RSD. Immediatley fell back into a keyboard junkie pattern and read for like 6 months.
Around this period I started making changes in my habits and thought processes. PD finally started having effect. I stepped outside of my comfort zone (which was tiny at the time) quite a few times since then.
Only a year ago I had no real friends, no social life, balls shrunk to the size of a grain and scared to do pretty much anything.
Now I've got a great circle of friends and a social life thats starting to recover from being in the freezer for such a long time. Instead of being scared and not take action, I'm scared and take action regardless of my feelings.
I've changed so much in a year that its hard for me to remember what I was like back then.
Point of no Return
This upcoming bootcamp is my point of no return, after this week my life will be changed forever.
Everything I planned and worked for comes down to these next few weeks.
You see, the bootcamp is not the only thing I'm changing at the moment.
I'm also going to a different education (Biology at the University of Utrecht).
I'm also moving out of my parents place, for the first time on my own.
I'm also building my Herbalife business up.
I'm also stepping out of my comfort zone to a redicilous degree.
First time in my life money is tight.
I'm insanely proud of myself though, I worked hard for 2 months and I can afford the bootcamp (barely) without going into debt. I did this without winning (/stealing) the money through poker, I could've won it in a few weeks playing poker full time. This would've thrown me back into social isolation and chodedome instead I expanded my comfort zone and made the money with Herbalife, one of the most social businesses I know.
25-27 Juli: Bootcamp
3 August: Move out
August: 30ish day challenge
1 September: Start of a new study
End of 2008: The year of my new identity...
Ryan here I come, ready to fly.
25-27 Juli Amsterdam Bootcamp
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