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December 3rd, 2016
LMR Series: Part I: Being the Prize
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Manwhore

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This series will be my biggest outer game contribution to our RSD community.

You ever wondered why you get LMR? Or why everything seems to be going great, and then you’re finally alone with her and BAM you hit a wall? Or why when you’re talking with a female, you can’t get her to react to you, in that deep, slow, instinctual way a woman responds to a man she’s sexually interested in? Or why.. no matter how hard you’re pursuing a girl, how dominant and masculine you’re being, she’s just not into you?

This series is called LMR, but after reading the whole series you’ll realize it’s encompassing of my entire game in general.

Reason is this.. I see social dynamics as a big spiral, getting closer and closer to the center; that center being physical and emotional intimacy. The actual path of the spiral is the interaction, the steps you take between her and you as you move along, getting closer and closer to that center of intimacy with her.

The spiral is a pie, a pie has slices. These slices are particular dynamics that get repeated as the spiral continues back around and you track back into that particular dynamic; farther into intimacy/closer in on the spiral. So for example by the time you get to what most guys consider "LMR", some "form" of this has already been encountered MANY times before in the interaction, and the answer, her response to your "endgame" sexual escalation, had actually been decided, or not decided but "determined", long ago.

Example the "outside" of the spiral, you approached her with masculine fuckworthy intent- which satisfied her biological paradigm, but also woo- which she could connect and feel comfortable with as a woman. Closer in on the spiral did you physically escalate, or demonstrate social dominance if it was called for. And closer in did you manhandle her with your masculine physicalness.

If you didn't handle these the right way then there's just no way she's going to fuck you. Period.

So as you get closer to the center of the spiral, you realize that any resistance you encounter later on in an interaction is probably because you handled a certain dynamic incorrectly earlier on.

This might seem very theory-heavy. It is- but the direct in-field application is extremely clear. And honestly it becomes second nature. As with any new mentality or mindset, there's a learning curve, and then you hit that full internalization.

Anything I do, whether it's life in general, or it's an interaction with a woman, I act with the end goal in mind. In the end, you and I want an emotionally intimate and physically sexual connection with a girl (Not at the same time you bastard.. I ain't that comfortable with you yet shades). So with this in mind, I will explain how elements of game either work towards this, or interfere with it. On we go..

A few nights ago I’m out with a buddy of mine.. he meets two chicks and brings them over. It’s early, i.e. so I wanted to ditch them and go for more.. But he’s not going anywhere, needs a wing, so I just settle in. Mine is a cute girl from Australia, taller than me, lovely breasts with red hair and really tight legs and butt. Tall as fuck did I say that?

For the next hour and a half I am the vagina tease from hell. This is standard game. A girl just can’t have me easily, even if I’m into her, why does she get to have me just because she might be interested?

Remember you are the prize. You actively demonstrate this. This is game. All closers project that they are the standard, they are the ones holding the cards. Do you ever wonder why most “affirmations” make a note of asserting she’s trying to please you and meet your standard? It’s because:

In a completely natural environment, like the "No ceiling, no floor" idea Tim talks about, we are high-value, and this is how high-value acts. Done. This is supposed to be normal! Kinda stupid we have to reprogram ourselves. But anyways whtever. It's just how it is, and it's a fact that girls are screening for a guy who’s screening them. This is naturally fuckworthy, and worth their time.

Guys who operate from this mentality, are the bad bad men. The ones who open consistently, close consistently, and everything in between.

Anyways, at first I’m just letting her get used to me. Give her some attention- I talk to her about random shit, some strong sexually intent attention- in the intense way I look at her, but not that much- a sprinkle; and then I’m gone. I wander away with another buddy, come back and hang with buddy who’s hanging with her friend. I come into her, then step away, look at her, look elsewhere. She just can’t hold my attention for very long. This places more value in the attention I give her when I give it. Every single moment and interaction she has with me is gold, because she doesn’t know when it’s going to end.

Now understand everything else is dialed right. Body language, facial expression, my voice and tonality. Teasing her or giving her a hard time about random shit, then being nice and congenial. Wolf-look in my eye.
We get a bit physical, this is her natural way of relieving the tension she feels from me acting the way I am. But again after a bit I move away from her; come in again, then take off. I stand a few feet away from her, looking at her, talking to her. She asks me why I’ve always got space between her and I. Tells me I’m in my own world. This part of what I do is INCREDIBLY important. I do not give her enough of me for her to be satisfied, and for her to feel like there’s no m istery left to me. I leave her wanting more. This isn’t button pushing.. this is totally fucking natural.
On my natural whims, I’m not fully concerned about sex, I’m not wanting to be all over her all the time. I’ve got my purpose, my own thoughts and feelings, and they are not centered around her just quite yet.

Honestly if a girl gets pretty hot for me in a club, I just can’t give her everything she wants. It’s not possible, I know I need to wait, but I’m sure as hell not going to let the tension go. This is how I maintain it.
And this creates exactly the kind of dynamic you should have with a girl. Once she’s into me, doesn’t want me to leave, this is what I do. And I hold and maintain this tension until the bedroom. If you guys are finding yourselves always trying to be all over a girl, you need to do some self-examination. That is needy.

So my buddy does the exact opposite of this. He isn’t reading her signs, gives her too much unreturned, undeserved attention. He’d back away, but then come on full throttle, not making her ask for it, or earn it in some way.

Now her asking for it or earning it doesn’t have to be verbalized, in fact don’t expect it to be. A girl will communicate with her eyes and body language when she wants it, when she’s ready. This is really the only time when I want to give a girl physicalness.

Anyways she was being rather difficult so he’d get frustrated and push her away. But his takeaways were based on her actions, not his. Every time he’d do it.. it’d be based on something she’d done to upset him. Well how did this translate in her mind? She kinda liked it. It gave her a feeling of control over him, and the situation. This was not good. When girls feel they have too much control over a guy’s mental state, most will not have sex. There’s no plausible deniability because she’s controlling everything. And remember guys, as one of the strongest women I know told me, the act of sex for a girl is one of submission. She's being uncovered, her legs are being spread.. she's being penetrated. So she has to make sure she's submitting to a high-value dude. If she submits to a low-value chode, well what does that say about her? Remember a girl's social status is everything to her. It is her reality

So the interaction with my girl is hugely different. I tell her I’m a virgin. I don’t have sex. She asks me why I’m such a good kisser, I tell her it’s cuz its all I do.

She asks me, “are you intimidated that I’m taller than you?

I barely acknowledge this. I tell her “do you eat kangaroos?

No. I have money so I ride a kangaroo to work. All the poor people ride koalas. Kangaroos are better ‘cuz they’re faster.

She brings up me being a virgin again. And says she doesn’t have sex with guys the first night. I tell her we’re both acting nuts then. I come in close, ask her very intimately if she wants my virginity. In a coy, qualifying way, not in a way that’s telling her she can actually have it.

I never let it be about her sexuality. I try to keep the focus on mine. Because then who’s sexuality is the prize?

Later we go to an after-party. I find some dude macking the shit out of her. I can tell she’s falling for it and I could potentially lose her. Fuck that, I walk up and get right in both their grills. Hi. He gets kind of uncomfortable, I drag her away. I’m sure that dude was community. Good job man, she told me later she was about to kiss you lol.

So being the prize in no way means you just let your girl get away from you.

Anyway we make it back to “my” girl’s place downtown. We get in bed, turn off the lights. I pretend I’m just going to fall asleep. Do this for about 20 seconds, then roll over and grab her for the late night delight.

The next morning her friend comes in, says my buddy tried but she didn’t want to so she didn’t. Says that she “won”. They congratulate each other for her not fucking my buddy. Then I swear only a few minutes later they talk about my girl having sex with me, and the friend congratulates her on laying me! Only a couple minutes later. See the change in the dynamic? The prize frame. Where was the prize frame different for each interaction?

I find out later that my buddy got the LMR from hell with this girl.

Do you think this could have been changed? Altered for the benefit of both the girl and the guy? Of course. My girl was happy she’d gotten laid, the same girl who’d given my buddy LMR and loved not fucking him, was practically in the same breath congratulating her friend. The friend could have been happy getting laid too if my buddy had done things right. He tells me later she was a weird one. I think she was too. Still.. he set the dynamic. She just followed.

You have got to be the sexual prize. Or you’re not going to get shit. You will not close girls from group sets, they just won’t let you have her, and you will not be able to take a girl away from her friend. There cannot be a lower perception of your value in relation to theirs.

Anyways, my buddy I was talking about, is one of the strongest naturals I’ve hung out with. Comes off extremely high-value and fuckworthy. Goes to show how important proactive demonstration of your sexual prizability is. Even if the issue is not brought up, I’ll bring it up just so the point is made.

Another example, I’m out with Ryan- RSD instructor- on a bootcamp a couple weekends ago. I’ve got a couple women on my jock, havin’ a good time with one, she’s chasing hard and I’m my usual coy self. I broach the topic of sex and somehow she interprets it as the tables having turned and now I’m chasing her.

Btw, this is ok, and not something you need to be afraid of happening every time you talk about sex, or whatever new thing you bring up, whether it’s escalation, extraction etc. You just have to handle the fuck out of it.

First and foremost I stay calm/unreactive, because I really don’t give a shit. There is no reason to have anything that comes up, phase you. This is life. Life is dynamic. Do not be afraid of life.

I look at her normally, don’t really say much, go on about my business. I grab a chicken wing from her party’s table and start to bite into it. I exclaim “Mmmm. This chicken is soo good.” Pause “Damn. Better than anything I’d experience with you.” She goes “uh uh! Ya right.

I ignore this. “Mmm. Fuck this is good.” Shortly after she’s forcing me to put ice down her shirt and feel her boobies.

Do you remember my post about the girl telling me she wasn’t going to have sex with me? My simple response.. No I’m not going to have sex with YOU. Of course she’s all up on my jock immediately afterwards.

So how does this all relate? How does this correlate to problems in escalation you’re having? You have to remember to set up the correct dynamic first. That of being the prize.. of her chasing you. If she isn’t ready for you.. if she’s not interested yet, hasn’t seen you as a prize to be won yet, and you start trying to go for her.. yer just gonna be bashing your head against a wall. Believe me I know. I bashed a lot of walls.

And you might be having the greatest interaction with her, she might be laughing and giggling, loving her time with you, but if you haven’t established that she’s working for your time and attention, and that she’s got to be a certain way to get it, the end of the night will come around, or her friends will come; and poof.. she’s gone.
It’s like this. You’re playing poker.. there’s a huge jackpot in the middle; but you haven’t invested anything in it.. so you’re cool to just let it go. But, if you’ve invested in the jackpot, put something in it yourself, you don’t want to let it go.. you’ll bet higher and more to hold onto what you put into it. Same goes for interactions with girlies. You can be the jackpot, you can be the most money guy around, but if she hasn’t invested in you, she’ll just walk away, and you can’t just try to give her the jackpot, she has to feel she earned it or it doesn’t have value. You have to make her invest without giving her everything, so she keeps chasing. She’ll give more and more, escalating on you more and more, desiring to get back what she put into it, and the prize that you now are to her. So now you set the rules, which is what she wanted the whole time. Consider what this means. How much control do you have over the interaction and where it goes? I'll go a lot more in-depth on this in the next part of the series.

So bottom line.. she’ll walk away if she doesn’t think you’re the prize. BE fuckworthiness

I dealt with this A LOT back in the day. So aggressive.. so pushy.. but I wasn’t showing high status enough, wasn’t being the prize.. so I’d hit a wall. I see my buddies that think they have game, so they go for it, they’re confident enough to push physically with a girl, but in no way have prepared her for it.

Anyways, this is Part I. Part II will be on Making Her Invest
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Colt

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"Do you think this could have been changed? Altered for the benefit of both the girl and the guy? Of course. My girl was happy she’d gotten laid, the same girl who’d given my buddy LMR and loved not fucking him, was practically in the same breath congratulating her friend. The friend could have been happy getting laid too if my
buddy had done things right. He tells me later she was a weird one. I think she was too. Still.. he set the dynamic. She just followed.

So how does this all relate? How does this correlate to problems in escalation you’re having? You have to remember to set up the correct dynamic first. That of being the prize.. of her chasing you. If she isn’t ready for you.. if she’s not interested yet, hasn’t seen you as a prize to be won yet, and you start trying to go for her.. yer just gonna be bashing your head against a wall. Believe me I know. I bashed a lot of walls.


I never let it be about her sexuality. I try to keep the focus on mine. Because then who’s sexuality is the prize?"




There is a lot of money in this post , I posted the few that really clicked with me above...
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FoodBuddha~

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Manwhore - when you have a chodely snapback, if only for a brief moment, what causes you to recognize it and then go back to being the prize?

I'm not really asking what you do now so much as asking what you did when you were first starting to get it a few years ago. What can I do to keep kicking myself back into the proper mindset when I lapse?
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Great post. This is something i never really understood. Thanks Johnny. ;)
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Really liking this little series manwhore!

cheers
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I was excited as I started reading this... only to quickly find myself VERY disappointed.

I thought... this would tell me why YOU give ME LMR. :(
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Brad

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Manwhore Wrote:


Anyways, this is Part I. Part II will be on Making Her Invest


Haha, I was just gonna post... "Give me some examples of how to make her invest!" :)

Seems we're on the same wavelength...
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FoodBuddha~ Wrote:
Manwhore - when you have a chodely snapback, if only for a brief moment, what causes you to recognize it and then go back to being the prize?

I'm not really asking what you do now so much as asking what you did when you were first starting to get it a few years ago. What can I do to keep kicking myself back into the proper mindset when I lapse?


There are certain traits of the inner-bitch that are consistent within a specific individual.

Defense Mechanisms, Body Language, Thought Patterns.

Profile this inner bitch, figure out the patterns that happen when you have a frame snapback to chode and fucking write it down.

Because the inner-bitch is self-deceptive, it's often hard to catch yourself when you are slipping back into it... you always feel justified. But with the profile, all you have to do is realize when you are using one of your defense mechanisms, and falling into the patterns that indicate the inner bitch.

Then, all you have to do is pull out your profile of your inner man. Values, boundaries, code of conduct. You do what you know you should do, saying fuck you to the inner-bitch.

This builds positive momentum for the inner man, allowing you to again empower him... you don't have to think about it again until you fall back into the inner-bitch frame.

MW probably has a less nerdy answer tho :).
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FoodBuddha~ Wrote:
Manwhore - when you have a chodely snapback, if only for a brief moment, what causes you to recognize it and then go back to being the prize?

I'm not really asking what you do now so much as asking what you did when you were first starting to get it a few years ago. What can I do to keep kicking myself back into the proper mindset when I lapse?


I'd like to hear this talked about too. I feel like I'm in the infancy of a BIG shift in my game and although I'm conscious of a frame snapback, it still happens and it still really stings.
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Your articles are like drugs man, extacy. You make me wet :o

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That was off the chain.

The idea of her submitting only to a man of value is clear, and reading about her friend high fiving about NOT fucking your friend but high fiveing about fucking you was clutch. Very interesting, very well put.
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