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last night was soo fuckin good!!! those girls in the second bar were really digging our vibe.. the most fun i've had in that bar.
i dont wana stray off topic of your journal, so i'll keep it in line, but basically the way we worked that room was classic.
guna try that again tonite, i definatly think alcohol fucks things up, especially perceptions of which girls to approach, and also just the way it fucks up a persons game.
i've felt way better since i stopped drinking, and its weird now, because ppl are saying ' are you drunk' when i'm sober. its the feeling of 'in state' when sober, fuckin amazing feeling.
joe is a top guy, one of my best mates by far. back to your journal. anyone reading this post, re-read the first post, and keep on topic. cheers,
i dont wana stray off topic of your journal, so i'll keep it in line, but basically the way we worked that room was classic.
guna try that again tonite, i definatly think alcohol fucks things up, especially perceptions of which girls to approach, and also just the way it fucks up a persons game.
i've felt way better since i stopped drinking, and its weird now, because ppl are saying ' are you drunk' when i'm sober. its the feeling of 'in state' when sober, fuckin amazing feeling.
joe is a top guy, one of my best mates by far. back to your journal. anyone reading this post, re-read the first post, and keep on topic. cheers,
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As far as the alc goes, I say develop a full social life - where you drink at home and at parties at friends' houses... but when out pulling in bars and in clubs, don't touch the stuff... save that for when you're back at the house with the girls.
This is because being "at home" or feeling at home can make up for any grabby fucked up dude vibe you're giving... You're in your element at home and relaxed, comfortable. When out, though, you have a mission, a purpose, and the little alcohol molecules simply get in the way of that task. Once home, the task is nearly complete and you can relax into foreplay with the girl. But not too much, or you'll be Whisky Dick.
This is because being "at home" or feeling at home can make up for any grabby fucked up dude vibe you're giving... You're in your element at home and relaxed, comfortable. When out, though, you have a mission, a purpose, and the little alcohol molecules simply get in the way of that task. Once home, the task is nearly complete and you can relax into foreplay with the girl. But not too much, or you'll be Whisky Dick.
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The only people for me are the mad ones,
the ones who are mad to live, mad to talk,
mad to be saved, desirous of everything
at the same time, the ones who never yawn
or say a commonplace thing, but
burn, burn, burn,
like fabulous yellow roman candles exploding
like spiders ac r o s s the stars.
-Kerouac
The only people for me are the mad ones,
the ones who are mad to live, mad to talk,
mad to be saved, desirous of everything
at the same time, the ones who never yawn
or say a commonplace thing, but
burn, burn, burn,
like fabulous yellow roman candles exploding
like spiders ac r o s s the stars.
-Kerouac
Continuing with our theme of blunt honesty:
I did not drink tonight, at all. Good stuff!
I didn't even drink an energy drink before going out. Good stuff!
I found I could still completely dominate group conversations and dynamics. Good stuff!
I also found that I could very quickly make adjustments to any 'mistakes' I had been making. Good!
I found that I would make bullshit rationalisations for not approaching ('too loud' etc) Not so good!
I felt generally less committed to interactions. As in, when I am on fire I am, say, 100%. Most of the time, I'm at 95%, still pulling great stuff. Tonight, I was like 60%. BUT: this is why I do it. If I didn't do this, I'd never do it. To reach 100%, you have to accept the passage of 65, 70, 75 etc %
Thing is, I got in the game for mastery over myself - the women were a bonus. If getting laid is my sole priority then I would just continue drinking energy drinks and vodka during the night. But mastery over myself means TOTAL mastery - so this has to be without stimulants until I have achieved it.
Really, this game is very simple. Find a problem, acknowledge it, find a solution, do it, get laid. That's the point of my journal...to go from a place of being GOOD with women to being GREAT with women.
Cheers, and ps. big thanks to Cornish, always appreciate the assessment from yourself.
I did not drink tonight, at all. Good stuff!
I didn't even drink an energy drink before going out. Good stuff!
I found I could still completely dominate group conversations and dynamics. Good stuff!
I also found that I could very quickly make adjustments to any 'mistakes' I had been making. Good!
I found that I would make bullshit rationalisations for not approaching ('too loud' etc) Not so good!
I felt generally less committed to interactions. As in, when I am on fire I am, say, 100%. Most of the time, I'm at 95%, still pulling great stuff. Tonight, I was like 60%. BUT: this is why I do it. If I didn't do this, I'd never do it. To reach 100%, you have to accept the passage of 65, 70, 75 etc %
Thing is, I got in the game for mastery over myself - the women were a bonus. If getting laid is my sole priority then I would just continue drinking energy drinks and vodka during the night. But mastery over myself means TOTAL mastery - so this has to be without stimulants until I have achieved it.
Really, this game is very simple. Find a problem, acknowledge it, find a solution, do it, get laid. That's the point of my journal...to go from a place of being GOOD with women to being GREAT with women.
Cheers, and ps. big thanks to Cornish, always appreciate the assessment from yourself.
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anytime dude, thats the great thing about this club, we are all tuned in to each other and in the path of self mastery. most people in life are happy being 'average' and retarded. we aint!
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Yoyoyo!!! Nice thread, I likes...
As for the whole alcohol thing, the big thing is that it gets you in state real quick. It sounded like when you were sober you weren't in as high of a state as the first FR where you were drinking.
Try some of the exercises that have been brought up on the forum to get yourself in state. Like singing and dancing showtunes or something to get yourself unstifled.
This gets you over that indifference threshold where you are wavering on whether to approach or not. You'll be way pumped up and lording the club.
As for the whole alcohol thing, the big thing is that it gets you in state real quick. It sounded like when you were sober you weren't in as high of a state as the first FR where you were drinking.
Try some of the exercises that have been brought up on the forum to get yourself in state. Like singing and dancing showtunes or something to get yourself unstifled.
This gets you over that indifference threshold where you are wavering on whether to approach or not. You'll be way pumped up and lording the club.
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Definitely mate. Spot on and thanks.
The best way I could describe it was like charging out a plane. Logically I know my parachute works, but last night I felt a stutter. I wasn't even that much of a big drinker (usually 4 or 5 a night), but it is good to notice and adapt, and therefore improve.
Cheers!
The best way I could describe it was like charging out a plane. Logically I know my parachute works, but last night I felt a stutter. I wasn't even that much of a big drinker (usually 4 or 5 a night), but it is good to notice and adapt, and therefore improve.
Cheers!
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Yes!
Totally un-game-related (or is it?), I finally figured out how to juggle my life and go where I want to go in the next few years. And its such a relief.
Basically, I want to travel. I REALLY want to travel. Something in me wants to go places, throw myself in at the deep end and really push myself.
Of course, I have a band. And my band is currently doing pretty damn well for an unsigned band. We're looking to step up to national exposure/position of a record deal by the end of 2008. If we are there or thereabouts, then I am happy and will stay.
If not, I want to go travel, to help people, and to make a difference. This is important to me and I can't do it now stuck doing my mediocre job that allows me to focus on PU and music.
So, come January 2009 if the music hasn't worked out, I am going to work a short ski-season in the Alps (bar/hotel work), then travel down to Australia on a short-term work visa, nip to Japan, catch up with my friends, POSSIBLY crack Toronto too if funds allow (which they may not, haha). Then its a case of heading over to live in Prague for a month or so to gain accreditation as a TEFL (Teacher of English as A Foreign Language).
From there, I would ideally like to hit South America - or St Petersburg. I can still speak a bit of Russian. I'd love to travel, and to help. I want to make a difference somehow. If the TEFL doesn't work out, I want to do a VSO (voluntary work for a year) in Africa.
It feels great to have this issue off my back. Next 9 months are music and accumulating money for the TEFL course.
:)
Totally un-game-related (or is it?), I finally figured out how to juggle my life and go where I want to go in the next few years. And its such a relief.
Basically, I want to travel. I REALLY want to travel. Something in me wants to go places, throw myself in at the deep end and really push myself.
Of course, I have a band. And my band is currently doing pretty damn well for an unsigned band. We're looking to step up to national exposure/position of a record deal by the end of 2008. If we are there or thereabouts, then I am happy and will stay.
If not, I want to go travel, to help people, and to make a difference. This is important to me and I can't do it now stuck doing my mediocre job that allows me to focus on PU and music.
So, come January 2009 if the music hasn't worked out, I am going to work a short ski-season in the Alps (bar/hotel work), then travel down to Australia on a short-term work visa, nip to Japan, catch up with my friends, POSSIBLY crack Toronto too if funds allow (which they may not, haha). Then its a case of heading over to live in Prague for a month or so to gain accreditation as a TEFL (Teacher of English as A Foreign Language).
From there, I would ideally like to hit South America - or St Petersburg. I can still speak a bit of Russian. I'd love to travel, and to help. I want to make a difference somehow. If the TEFL doesn't work out, I want to do a VSO (voluntary work for a year) in Africa.
It feels great to have this issue off my back. Next 9 months are music and accumulating money for the TEFL course.
:)
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My verbal game is kinda wishy washy at times.
However, my dancefloor game is TIGHT.
Tonight, I got back on with my aims and said, 'minimum 8 sets, don't get drunk.' Achieved both of these, so all good. The rest of the night was, well, one big 'D'oh' moment. More to come...
My first set was coming in to wing my main man Cornish on a 3 set of LA & NJ girls. Isolated my one, chatted, and pushed it to the hilt. Injected a sexual vibe, went # close for later Day 2 (it was a cert) - but she's going back to LA like tomorrow so nothings gonna come of it.
There was a bunch of other verbal sets, including some genuine stunners. All opened, all hooked but most kinda stalled out or got a bit too logical in the conversation.
Here is my problem with my verbal game:
I do this gay BT spiking shit sometimes. Its a fallback when I think the set is stalling - I know this cos I feel it, when I feel I am failing to bring the party. Now this isn't an inherently bad thing per se, except for the fact I feel lame for doing it. It isn't me, y'know? As Ozzie taught me on bootcamp, you don't need a punchline.
So tonight I made a (conscious, admittedly) decision to cut this crap out. It wasn't particularly easy at first, but it got easier. HOWEVER, this meant my verbal sets kind of staled. Why? No claw/leading kino. I corrected this about midnight and it went much better.
I can open and hook very consistently, and am comfortable plowing. The kino just was missing on the verbal sets tonight.
About midnight, I was feeling pretty down and out. I was pretty bummed. I was chatting to Random Saudi Arabian guy - thank you! - who convinced me to go back in the club and hit the dancefloor. He was moaning about the girls and I wanted to show him that it can be very easy, and it forced me into action. Straight onto dancefloor, first girl I see is a cute petit brunette with the biggest breasts I've ever had rub against me. I stick my hand out to her, smile this massive grin, and over she comes. Dance, grind. I remember to push her off a bit rather than give all the validation away (as per Ozzie's advice in an OLD thread of mine about salsa clubs). Go to kiss her, get her cheek. This literally does not phase me. I keep dancing, grinding, push away. Do this a couple of times and I'm like 'TIME TO CLOSE!'
My brain wants to say something to start the close, a witty line or something, but I just shut it off and instead grab her chin beneath my thumb and forefinger, turn her face to face me, tilt her chin back slightly and go in. Easy.
Anyway, I couldn't extract/venue change this girl after more pulling and push/pull, friend vibing and grinding, though I tried - her friend fell out with my new Saudi friend, but its all good.
SO...tonights lessons, which are both big and obvious:
-Open direct. I do anyway, but REALLY direct. With a statement of intent.
-Open with claw. (why did I forget this???)
-I am VERY good still at hooking and plowing
-cut out the gaming bullshit
- KEY POINT! move your sets to the dancefloor, as you always close there
-then bring them back for vibing etc
This is all good, I learnt a lot about myself. I learn more when I don't drink. The thing I find is that my verbal sets stale out or just get a bit too 'intense' (i.e. artistic political discussions, yuk) sometimes, but my dancefloor game is supertight for closing but weak for vibing/qualification. It's so fucking obvious to just merge the two, and bring your verbal sets onto the dancefloor. The few times I've done that before the girls' friends would never refuse.
My only real issue is that sometimes my mind still gets very caught up in dark thoughts and the concept of 'bringing the party' can elude me in these moments. Previously I had drank to overcome this, now I'm relying on myself.
However, my dancefloor game is TIGHT.
Tonight, I got back on with my aims and said, 'minimum 8 sets, don't get drunk.' Achieved both of these, so all good. The rest of the night was, well, one big 'D'oh' moment. More to come...
My first set was coming in to wing my main man Cornish on a 3 set of LA & NJ girls. Isolated my one, chatted, and pushed it to the hilt. Injected a sexual vibe, went # close for later Day 2 (it was a cert) - but she's going back to LA like tomorrow so nothings gonna come of it.
There was a bunch of other verbal sets, including some genuine stunners. All opened, all hooked but most kinda stalled out or got a bit too logical in the conversation.
Here is my problem with my verbal game:
I do this gay BT spiking shit sometimes. Its a fallback when I think the set is stalling - I know this cos I feel it, when I feel I am failing to bring the party. Now this isn't an inherently bad thing per se, except for the fact I feel lame for doing it. It isn't me, y'know? As Ozzie taught me on bootcamp, you don't need a punchline.
So tonight I made a (conscious, admittedly) decision to cut this crap out. It wasn't particularly easy at first, but it got easier. HOWEVER, this meant my verbal sets kind of staled. Why? No claw/leading kino. I corrected this about midnight and it went much better.
I can open and hook very consistently, and am comfortable plowing. The kino just was missing on the verbal sets tonight.
About midnight, I was feeling pretty down and out. I was pretty bummed. I was chatting to Random Saudi Arabian guy - thank you! - who convinced me to go back in the club and hit the dancefloor. He was moaning about the girls and I wanted to show him that it can be very easy, and it forced me into action. Straight onto dancefloor, first girl I see is a cute petit brunette with the biggest breasts I've ever had rub against me. I stick my hand out to her, smile this massive grin, and over she comes. Dance, grind. I remember to push her off a bit rather than give all the validation away (as per Ozzie's advice in an OLD thread of mine about salsa clubs). Go to kiss her, get her cheek. This literally does not phase me. I keep dancing, grinding, push away. Do this a couple of times and I'm like 'TIME TO CLOSE!'
My brain wants to say something to start the close, a witty line or something, but I just shut it off and instead grab her chin beneath my thumb and forefinger, turn her face to face me, tilt her chin back slightly and go in. Easy.
Anyway, I couldn't extract/venue change this girl after more pulling and push/pull, friend vibing and grinding, though I tried - her friend fell out with my new Saudi friend, but its all good.
SO...tonights lessons, which are both big and obvious:
-Open direct. I do anyway, but REALLY direct. With a statement of intent.
-Open with claw. (why did I forget this???)
-I am VERY good still at hooking and plowing
-cut out the gaming bullshit
- KEY POINT! move your sets to the dancefloor, as you always close there
-then bring them back for vibing etc
This is all good, I learnt a lot about myself. I learn more when I don't drink. The thing I find is that my verbal sets stale out or just get a bit too 'intense' (i.e. artistic political discussions, yuk) sometimes, but my dancefloor game is supertight for closing but weak for vibing/qualification. It's so fucking obvious to just merge the two, and bring your verbal sets onto the dancefloor. The few times I've done that before the girls' friends would never refuse.
My only real issue is that sometimes my mind still gets very caught up in dark thoughts and the concept of 'bringing the party' can elude me in these moments. Previously I had drank to overcome this, now I'm relying on myself.
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good stuff man. i'm sorry for being such a lame ass last nite, and talkin to that bar maid for hours. shes a bit of a head fry as she seemed attracted even verging on the topic of sex, and yet she never returned my text msg. never mind, however, observing you last nite, being sober, you are starting to feel it and not rely on alcohol to any degree.
KEEP THIS SHIT UP!!!
give it a couple more nights out and you're guna be on form but with FULL control like never before;)
RIDE THE NIMBUS lmao.
KEEP THIS SHIT UP!!!
give it a couple more nights out and you're guna be on form but with FULL control like never before;)
RIDE THE NIMBUS lmao.
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Yeah mate, definitely. It's like I hit a CEILING with drinking...I got in state very well but could not manage the logistics. I can, however, manage those logistics easily when sober. So its just a case, like everything, of doing it more.
I felt much better last night, and that's only the second night. Thanks for all your help mate, I really appreciate it!
PS. Didn't understand the bar girl but well in for sticking in set so long. That's a whole new type of game...
I felt much better last night, and that's only the second night. Thanks for all your help mate, I really appreciate it!
PS. Didn't understand the bar girl but well in for sticking in set so long. That's a whole new type of game...
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Met up with the boys in first bar, along with Cornish's friend J, who's a top guy and new to this community. Really solid, nice bloke.
Moved on to the next bar and had a few drinks. Saw a couple of guys running what seemed to be textbook winging game on this 2set of hot girls wearing flourescent accessories and hotpants. I was at the bar, having a couple of drinks. My justification was that it was Friday night.(1)
So, I start requesting songs from the DJ and moving around the venue. After a while, something in my mind just clicks and says, 'Go now!' Approach this rather large set (4 or 5) with my usual intro opener. Opens and hooks, as I remember the importance of working the peer group (cheers Ozzie and Abercrombie). The girl I want makes some absurd remark about being Catholic, as if I am supposed to buy into it, but I know from calibration she's not telling the truth. So I reply with 'So you guys rock the Eucharist? Woo! Let's all drink for Jesus!' and propose a toast to Jesus. The whole group joins in, and I've won the girl I want over. She starts touching me and asking me where I'm from, what I do etc. (2)
I decide to give J an accomplishment intro to get him started, and bring him into another set. He's doing really well. I chat another girl who I'm trying to work out if she looks like Julian Casablancas from The Strokes but hotter, and she's all digging it too. Stroking me and shit.
At this stage, all the boys are deep in set and we have truly taken over the room. Girls are finding lame excuses to come and talk to us. I look back over at the Catholic girl who I wanted, and see Cornish now talking to her. Guess I missed my shot. (3)
I decide to try and absurd opener on the hot 2 set with hotpants who some guys were trying to PU from ealier. I go into 'gangsta mode' and open with:
'YO. 'Sup bitch?'
and conduct the whole of the set in complete breaking rapport ebonics, constantly threatening to 'pop a cap in her ass' if she steps out of line. Again, these girls are loving it, we're having a total party. Claw, kino, photos, dancing, great times. I'm borrowing girls glasses, stealing them, playing around, bringing random girls and guys in and lording the place up. I notice the DJ's girlfriend just standing, eyeing me up. Woah.
I have a very individual style now, and I know I give off the 'secret society' vibe completely, because I get IOIs and Ais all the time from girls now. What happened next was still a surprise. Girl walks past me, and strokes my face. She says, 'I want you to call me.' (I have not spoken to this girl before). I get my phone out and tell her to put it in, and I will. She says she can't do that here, because her boyfriend is just standing out of earshot - but she just gave her # to my friend so I can get it off her. She stresses again that I should call her.
At this stage I am very much in the zone. The problem is that after this, all the vodka hit me and I rapidly deteriorated from super cool sex guy to 'drunk sweaty grabby guy' in the club a couple of hours later.
It's wierd because I now actually COMPLETELY prefer who I am sober. Fuck game, I'm just a better guy. Got a few #s but the names are a mess and don't make sense.
---LESSONS---
1 Booze is out
Been saying this for too long. Just bought a vintage guitar and I can't afford to keep pissing cash away like this. It's not even about the game, I just genuinely prefer who I am when I'm sober. I also get lazy when drunk and accept mediocrity, so chase around easy lays from my mobile phone instead of putting in the hard yards. My buddies have all done this, I need to do it too. I deserve better.
2 No fear
Every night I close. Everything in front of me is screaming 'you are the sexworthy guy'; from the ridiculous IOIs and AIs to the way girls keep trying to kiss me in innapropriate situations. I will let go of that final piece holding me back. I have to be prepared to take failure in the process of achieving greater success. This is point 3 too. I should have that Catholic girl meeting up this weekend. She was super cute.
The purpose of me writing all this is total blunt honesty. To improve. I am SO close to a level of success that I never even believed possible when I first got into this community that I need to just EMBRACE it. I am SO close to getting girls home EVERY night - I want this, so I will focus, be honest about my flaws, and move steadily towards that goal. I reckon about a month of good work will set me up for life.
Cheers,
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