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December 5th, 2016
No-Thinking Game (A Practical Guide.)
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Slojodan

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Ok guys,

Since we all are still actively waiting for the Blueprint DVDs to arrive, I thought I'd share another piece of of what I've been doing since being officially 'Blueprinted' in December. This was originally an answer I gave to someone on the San Diego Board, but I thought I'd post it here:

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Question: How do you open? Canned opener, situational, natural direct, "hi"?

Answer: There are three levels of conversational game I've found.

First there's canned routines, where you know what you're going to say 5 minutes before, or even 5 weeks before.

Then there's no routine/improv game, where you think of something cool to say on the spot, maybe an opener about the situation. You then follow up with whatever comes up. A girl says something and you free associate, going into your head and thinking of something that relates, perhaps something funny like a tease. It's a spontaneous routine generating game. Once you get good at this, you can consistently get laughs, buying temperature spikes (BT), and keep conversations going endlessly. For a while, I thought this was as far as you could get in terms of conversational skill. I was wrong.

I'm on Level 3 now, which may not be the final level, but it's the furthest I can see at this point. Level 3 is "No Thinking Game." You are not allowed to think while in set. No internal dialogue, and no trying to come up with things to say. They just have to come naturally. You can't "search for it."

One thing I learned at the Blueprint is that actively trying to think of something to keep the conversation going is DLV. Trying to think of something funny is DLV, even if it is DAMN funny when it comes out and makes her laugh. It's still a DLV even if it was Chris Rock worthy material.

Why is this?

It's because you only try to keep the conversation going if you're talking to someone of higher value than you. If she was of lower or equal value and you were bored, you'd walk away and find someone more interesting. If you put in effort to generate conversational material, especially to come up with witty humor or clever BT spikes, you obviously want to make the person like you.

I know what you're thinking... "HOW CAN SHE TELL?"

Easy. When you go into your head to come up with something to say, your eyes roll back to either the upper left or upper right. One side is for creative information, the other side is for remembered information. She might not consciously notice it, but she can tell when you're working to come up with things to say. There is no way to fake this. If you're going into your head, she'll know.

The solution? Don't go into your head! You don't think, you keep your eyes on her, and your focus on the present moment. Things to say will naturally come to you, and be more relevant.

Here's an example of how you can respond without going into your head. Suppose you're at home and the radio is playing Notorious BIG's "Hypnotize." The song goes "Biggie Biggie Biggie..." and if you wanted to sing along, you'd go "...Can't you see..." without going into your head to come up with the end of the lyric. Your eyes wouldn't roll back, it's ingrained in your head from repeated listening. You can do the same thing for answering things that girls say and proactively starting and continuing threads. You don't need to go into your head to find it. It just comes out. You just have to allow it by unstifling yourself.

You'll be taking things from what she said, focusing on the conversation at hand, and you'll be able to relate to her better because you're actually listening to what she said instead of waiting for your turn to speak.

This is not easy at first. I'm not sure how easy it is to jump from routine game to no-thinking game. You might need the improv step in between, which is fine. It's all in practice and development.

What I'm doing now involves no BT spikes. Humor can happen, but only naturally. I am NOT hooking with teases, humor, cold reads, or anything like that. I am hooking with my cool presence. They either like me immediately or don't. The more approaches I do with no-thinking and no BT game, the higher percentage that want me around based on my presence (My NIMBUS, if you will) alone. This makes a huge deal and reduces flaking, as you were not an entertainment source for the night. You were just a cool guy she wanted to hang out with, the warm end of the pool.

So when I walk up to a girl, I don't think of anything, NOTHING at all. I don't know what I'm going to say until it comes out of my mouth. Does this create awkward situations? At first, definitely. Most of the time I end up saying "Hey..." with a smile. My progress with this went from girls turning their backs, to girls saying hey back, to them smiling and asking me questions about myself. It's still not consistent but definitely improving.

Not-thinking game increases your infield efficiency to an extreme amount. When I get blown out, or the set leaves, do you think I have to stammer around for 5-10 minutes? Nope! I just turn around and walk up to the next one. It's practically a 3 second rule BETWEEN sets. No thinking game requires 0 preparation before you go in. Get used to getting blown out of 3 sets in 10 seconds. Once that doesn't bother you, your outcome dependency goes down considerably and sets are happier to let you in.

Hope that helps.

--Dan

P.S.-- I've been going out 5 nights a week lately, at Ciaran's suggestion. Once you've been blueprinted, you get a TON of increasing returns for each extra night you go out. Great to go out a lot anyway, of course, as well.
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Nightfreeze

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Cool post. A couple questions...

1) How would you use no-thinking game in 'difficult logistical situations?' For example, what opener would you use during the daytime in a restauraunt when the hottie is sitting on the inside corner of a booth, and 2 guys are on the outside corners of that booth.

2) When you're out, do you try and pump your state before doing approaches this way, or do you just go in even if you aren't having a super-fun time?

3) Do you use false time constraints? Turned away body language on the opener? I've found this stuff definitely makes a difference for cold approaching, but at the same time it kinda puts me into a reactive frame of mind.
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Slojodan

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Nightfreeze Wrote:
Cool post. A couple questions...

1) How would you use no-thinking game in 'difficult logistical situations?' For example, what opener would you use during the daytime in a restauraunt when the hottie is sitting on the inside corner of a booth, and 2 guys are on the outside corners of that booth.


If you're hitting those types of sets, mad props to you. That's a logistical nightmare you just described. Some serious outergame is definitely needed for that kind of thing. For a good 98% of the sets you will see a nightclub though, the no-thinking game will work with some basic strategies for escalating. Day game I'm not so familiar with.

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2) When you're out, do you try and pump your state before doing approaches this way, or do you just go in even if you aren't having a super-fun time?


I pump my state up ALL DAY. I pump my state up at work, at home, everywhere I go. You can't switch from bored/angry to no-thinking nimbus just for the clubs. And yes, you go in even if you aren't having a super fun time and open no thinking. Keep hitting sets and getting blown out until your sub-conscious realizes this is happening with or without its help. Not caring about blowouts is key.

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3) Do you use false time constraints? Turned away body language on the opener? I've found this stuff definitely makes a difference for cold approaching, but at the same time it kinda puts me into a reactive frame of mind.


I asked Tyler this a while back. I open social direct or situational 99% of the time, so I do direct body language unless they are resistant, and then I"ll turn away. Sometimes some body rocking, but I usually don't FTC. I don't know the best plan for that.
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#3

Bayroot

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Dude, another golden post.

I can relate to what you're saying 100%, I'm having these ephiphanies at the same time.

Solid stuff man.
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#4

Namflow

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Again, awesome post SlojoDan. I've been experimenting with this myself. Right now I'd say I'm a level 2 conversationalist - I can come up with stuff on the fly and keep the conversation going. I intergrate this with a few routines (some textbook, some I've created myself) and the set flows well. But ever since reading you're post I've noticed I'd think of something funny and want to say it, even at the cost of interrupting someone else instead of waiting for my turn to speak. Thanks to your post I'm conscious of this and I'm working on waiting for my turn to speak and even if I have a funny joke to add I won't say it unless it's my turn to speak.

The point you made about not continuing the conversation with people who are lower value than you also hit home. Last week I opened a 2set in the booth behind me while eating dinner. When my food came I ignored them and started to eat and I could tell by the way they were sitting, and the way they still talking about what I just said, they wanted me to continue the conversation. Not an intentional rolloff but it worked really well.

I'll keep you posted as to how my no-thinking sarges go. Thanks man!
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First off, awesome post. I incorporate this more and more in my daily life, and people just tend to like me more. Im kinda amazed at how people are starting to treat me, it's almost mysterious.

However, i'd like to expand on one thing;

Slojodan Wrote:

I know what you're thinking... "HOW CAN SHE TELL?"

Easy. When you go into your head to come up with something to say, your eyes roll back to either the upper left or upper right. One side is for creative information, the other side is for remembered information. She might not consciously notice it, but she can tell when you're working to come up with things to say. There is no way to fake this. If you're going into your head, she'll know.


We have something called mirror neurons which enables us to pickup other peoples emotional states, their perception, etc etc.. It's the "Theory of mind", that we can, by intuition (mirror neurons), pick up another persons "reality".. So she doesn't necessarily notice if you are thinking or no-thinking by your eyemovements, your whole body is one big communicationtool, and we communicate basicly everything. But this doesn't exclude eyemovements, it's a part of it.

Im reading a book on mirrorneurons by Joachim Bauer right now, some SERIOUSLY heavy shit in there. Basicly puts fluffy-hat theory into pieces and screams "RSD in onto something!" :D

Once again, golden post. Keep it up.
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i HAVEN'T BEEN BLUEPRINTED YET BUT SINCE THE BOOTCAMP I have been doing this. This is basically what alex ingrained in me. Just go!

Disengage logicality and go.

This was awesome for me because i would think. "OK what should i say" This is a logical question. Your trying to figure out what the BEST thing to say is according to Logistics or whatever.

Weeks after my bootcamp its like anything goes as a opener. Sometimes i try out things i read on the forum sometimes i say "hi" sometimes i use hand signals-whatever

I approached a hottie with her friend at the mall with my roomate with "hey Who are you guys?" (positive dominant voice tone) Started a nice easy convo for 15 min.

Later he was like "wow man- you come off so non-threatening" He told me he thought that sometimes he comes off too threatening.

And my roomy is a pretty cool guy. He dates alot of cute girls (ive never seen him with any turbo girls but hes got alot of personallity and good social skills and relationship game.

Anyway this non-threatening vibe is a result of relaxed no thinking in the now game.

go go go go go. Dont think.

I have gotten this mentality down well (though definately improvable)

And lately ive been trying to integrate it into my text and phone game now
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Slojodan Wrote:

What I'm doing now involves no BT spikes. Humor can happen, but only naturally. I am NOT hooking with teases, humor, cold reads, or anything like that. I am hooking with my cool presence.


Hey man, awesome, informative post. Quick question: when you run this no-thinking game, are you still funny/witty/interesting/etc, just in a natural, unforced way? Or is it that you're basically making sorta standard, almost boring conversation, and the girls are into it anyway because of your nonverbal presence?

Cheers,
Smalls
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Slojodan

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Smallville Wrote:
Hey man, awesome, informative post. Quick question: when you run this no-thinking game, are you still funny/witty/interesting/etc, just in a natural, unforced way? Or is it that you're basically making sorta standard, almost boring conversation, and the girls are into it anyway because of your nonverbal presence?

Cheers,
Smalls


You CAN be funny/witty/interesting, but it's not necessary. If it happens, it happens. You can say something funny in the moment if it comes to you, but you can't go into your head looking for it.

You can count on your first 8-30 approaches doing this to be boring the girls to tears, and having sets only last a little bit. Just stick it through.

As I learned from halfful, immediate aggressive kino while doing this helps push it forward.
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spearhead Wrote:
I am interested in reading more about what you describe of her noticing it in your eyes rolling back (thus,in subtle non-verbal cues) when you go into your head to think of what to say next.

Where did you read/hear about this?


Originally, a friend said he noticed that I had a habit of obviously putting effort into continuing the conversation, even with close friends, but he couldn't place why he could tell. Then Tyler went into this in the Blueprint how girls can see you going into your head to look for conversational topics. I connected this with the NLP eye accessing cues for the eye roll backs.

Someone else on this thread recommended a book by Joachim Bauer on mirror neurons. I couldn't find it, but there are other ones on amazon.com about mirror neurons, and that should go into it.
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Slojodan Wrote:
You CAN be funny/witty/interesting, but it's not necessary. If it happens, it happens. You can say something funny in the moment if it comes to you, but you can't go into your head looking for it.

You can count on your first 8-30 approaches doing this to be boring the girls to tears, and having sets only last a little bit. Just stick it through.

As I learned from halfful, immediate aggressive kino while doing this helps push it forward.



So one can be having a pretty boring conversation with the girl while doing a lot of kino?
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