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Nathan!

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haha-- never the biggest forum writer, I think this is my first ever thread starter.... Anyway, Tyler thinks I should do a lot more writing to hash out a lot of my stuff that I've never really documented. A lot of my views come from different perspectives than people are used to (and MANY are counterintuitive), but the core principles rarely change.

The first thing that comes to mind is that as many people know I am VERY big on leading. Lead, lead, lead. I am also, when it comes to being a player, probably the laziest to have ever googled, "What the fuck is 'the community'?". By lazy, I am saying that I always want to maximize my results with the least amount of exerted energy. Hey, I'm a busy guy and I like things easy. Call it natural game, but I just call it 'evolution' or "not wanting to be bored ever".

There's Beauty in Simplicity
I came to this realization a while ago that I am always moving forward or "on my path" so to speak and selfishly hated forcing anybody to do anything. I only wanted women (and a lot of things in life) that were receptive to me or my goals. Timing and receptivity is a HUGE issue in how far you go with women at any point in your "relationship". My relationships with women always begin the first moment I meet them and I always set the tone (I'm a very sexually dominant man). Women always do the choosing whether they sleep with you or not (after all, no girl has ever accidentally slipped and fallen on my dick), the only control you have over a situation is to be as awesomely attractive as possible to where she would think or feel in her mind that she would have to be retarded to pass up a chance with you. That's a core concept of my game.

Anyway, being congruent with that, I decided that I never ever wanted a girl to desire me for anything other than WHO I AM. No button pushing, just exactly that-just who I am. How do you do that? I have a LOT on that, but here's a piece exemplified in my meet ups.

100% Guaranteed Never to Flake Gameplan for meet ups: No matter what I'm doing or where I am I am always doing things in accordance to things that I want to do or ALREADY doing--lots of the time because I know it will be amusing to me or at the least I want some company as I do my normal thing.

For me, the best and fastest way to escalate a relationship (friend, FB, or GF) and get to know a girl is to have serious 1on1 time. That means no going out with her friends or anyone else. My goal is just to get her sooo comfortable with me that "things just happen". Logistics are key, but it all begins in my mindset. Women are abundant. Meeting up with women is an almost every day affair. Most of my life I have been around women in some capacity and know that there is nothing to be scared or worried about.

Therefore, when I go for meet ups with women I make it casual because that is EXACTLY what it is to me. Almost like meeting the coolest new friend (except I'm a dominant and sexual man). I literally plan things I normally do in my life and invite women along to join me (I just don't tell them what we're doing as a surprise). If they don't make it then it doesn't matter. I am already doing something that I would've done anyway. Oh well (btw, if they don't make it for some reason, there's a good chance we will later anyway... that's for another post probably titled, "empathy in game and not losing track of the ultimate goal").

Another thing about this is this takes all the pressure off meeting someone you don't know. Most dudes get nervous, or plainly project something weird and incongruent with themselves (opposite of comfort), on the phone with girls, which creates some sort of unnecessary pressure or tension on both of you that kills the chance of ever meeting up (they also fail to alleviate expectations set from when you first met). My tone on the phone is always to build comfort from being chill to playful to excited.

I don't tell them what we're doing, but I do get excited as hell about the surprise (not overly!!). Normally, my phone convo goes like this: after some chatting and seeing our schedules synch we agree to meet up. I tell her to come meet me at my place and we'll go from there. If she asks or not I'll tell her, "Just come over it's a surprise. I'll tell you when you get here". Once she comes over, normally it's one of many possible things that I'm normally doing. My classic one is lead her on a walk to the grocery store and buy my weekly groceries. Sometimes they pay for them, which is always great. On the way back I ask her about her must have awesome cooking abilities and naturally, whatever her answer is, I tell her we're cooking dinner (The rest can be for my magical Day 2 post).

When we're back at my place, girls are not stupid and know what's up. They won't admit, or cognitively realize, what's happening because they love it and we're really getting to know each other which is always fascinating. Everything down to the final close is always just my normal way of getting to know a girl more and let our "relationship" evolve-whichever way it may go. Ironically, I love sex and also lining my conversations with the like. Like my old football coach used to say after we scored a touchdown, "Have class. Act like you've been there before". Point being, with women, nothing is ever a big deal until you make it one. Don't ever project meet ups, sex, phone numbers, socializing, or anything like that like it might be weird or you're out of your league--be comfortable with it and people will follow. Act like you've been there before, even if you haven't, and that will get you laid a hundred times over.
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Awesome, I love the idea of integrating women into my live's activities. I've vowed never to go on a date again or any activity EXCLUSIVELY for the purpose of courting a girl.
What are some more examples of things you could take girls with you to? Things we all do.. like grocery shopping?
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wicked... wiki'd

I'd also like to read an article "leading for dummies" and "5 easy steps to become a sexually dominant monster in a heartbeat" ;)

Seriously, it would be awesome if you could elaborate on these topics.
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Nathan!

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Rebel24 Wrote:
Awesome, I love the idea of integrating women into my live's activities. I've vowed never to go on a date again or any activity EXCLUSIVELY for the purpose of courting a girl.
What are some more examples of things you could take girls with you to? Things we all do.. like grocery shopping?


Well, what do you do normally? I always happened to go grocery shopping sunday night... I got on this quasi raw food diet so I spent a lot of time shopping for fresh food and learning how to cook (though, I always make her do all the cutting and chopping--I am the master of the kitchen no matter how bad I suck at it). I always ask girls after I've been with them, when was the first time they knew they wanted to sleep with me. Often times it was when we were in the kitchen that they knew what would go down--that's lethal in isolation 'cause now she's your full-on advocate in the hook up. Funny-did you ever see that movie, "The Tao of Steve"? It's old school, but the story is true about this dude who was fat, lazy, and unemployed but always pulled the most amazing ass. His concept was strictly, 'let them see you in a momemt of excellence'. Even though I'm a terrible cook, I obviously try hard and am still in control of the night--it's a moment of excellence for me standing in the kitchen coordinating an awesome dinner. By the way, always have wine on hand.

You see, none of this is really necessary actually. The whole point is to have a routine to get her to your place and make her feel comfortable as there are no judging eyes. Then it's just closing time. Before I used to do the shopping and cooking thing, I always ate out--ALL the time. Then I just used to tell girls to come over and we'd walk to a few of my favorite restaurants and then walk back after some cool random conversation. Ie. When I was in Hollywood, on the corner was the Seventh Veil strip club on my corner (from Entourage), and would ask her if she's ready to be adventurous... on the other corner was The famous super dumpy Saharan Hotel where people come to Hollywood to pursue their dreams like Jim Carrey did back in the day. Regardless, I always try to make things interesting because they're interesting to me.

So for those that eat out a lot like I did, and it's not a big deal, go to your favorite little restaurant or cafe on the corner and then come back. I've brought my laptop with me before to cafes that I liked to work at and done some work with the girl hanging out with me. To me it's just us getting to know each other and me showing her how she can fit into my REAL world. Being like that is as different in a positive way than any girl has ever seen. Most of all--I'M REAL and not some poseur tryng to put up some false front-I don't say that because I'm proud of it as much as women love and appreciate the hell out of it.
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Nathan, I love this. Please continue to post...
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Abower Wrote:
Nathan if you ever write a book, publish a journal, whatever, I want a pre-order on it.


haha... I'll probably have my own blog in the fall when I have more time. Right now, I'll be at the Superconference and I'm gonna talk about a lot of shit never covered. But, just remember one of my favorite sayings and has everything to do with what I mean when I say I'm a lazy player, "I pursue women, but I don't chase them"

Phantom~ it has EVERYTHING to do with how to lead, being unapologetically authentic, and taking things to a new level. I may write more before the SC, but most likely I'll hash it out over time and in bits. There's a lot to cover. Thanks.
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Nathan Wrote:

There's Beauty in Simplicity
I came to this realization a while ago that I am always moving forward or "on my path" so to speak and selfishly hated forcing anybody to do anything. I only wanted women (and a lot of things in life) that were receptive to me or my goals. Timing and receptivity is a HUGE issue in how far you go with women at any point in your "relationship". My relationships with women always begin the first moment I meet them and I always set the tone (I'm a very sexually dominant man). Women always do the choosing whether they sleep with you or not (after all, no girl has ever accidentally slipped and fallen on my dick), the only control you have over a situation is to be as awesomely attractive as possible to where she would think or feel in her mind that she would have to be retarded to pass up a chance with you. That's a core concept of my game.

Anyway, being congruent with that, I decided that I never ever wanted a girl to desire me for anything other than WHO I AM. No button pushing, just exactly that-just who I am. How do you do that? I have a LOT on that, but here's a piece exemplified in my meet ups.


This is the exact foundation of my natural game. Reading this was like looking in the mirror.

You should write more man, i seriously love your work and think a lot could benefit from it....
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Not to put a damper on this technique, but American women must react totally differently to Australian women when invited to your place.

I've seen this kind of advice before, in fact Dave D relies on it quite a lot. Meet at yours, let her in for a moment then move on, coming back there at the end of the night. Here it just doesn't happen that way.

Perhaps American women are more adventurous, or perhaps the average American guy is so chodely that this is seen as mostly harmless. But an Aussie girl would almost NEVER accept an invitation to a guy's place unless she was expecting to have sex with him. They're just not that gullible, and they also tend to put their social group and activities with their girlfriends way ahead of seeing guys on a one-to-one basis.

This is a prime example of how cultural differences make the core techniques espoused fall down badly, and needs analyzing for useful alternatives.

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Hey, what do the other Ozzies and Kiwis think about this? I know that, personally, inviting girls to my house for Day2s and Day3s is a staple. It's not the only way I get laid, but it is the most no-frills direct path I've found, and I've honed my technique around it to be as smoooooth as possible about it, and it works. How can this not work in other places? I'm genuinely curious.
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haiqu Wrote:
Not to put a damper on this technique, but American women must react totally differently to Australian women when invited to your place.


Timmy would disagree.

We do this worldwide, son!
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haiqu

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jlaix Wrote:
Timmy would disagree.

We do this worldwide, son!


Well, daddio, if I were living your lifestyle and inviting girls to visit my 5-star hotel room perhaps things would be different. Some of us, however, have to get up for work at 6:00am :-/

I really don't know anything about Timmy's logistics, but unless my place were between theirs and the intended venue for the night and there was a strong reason for it, the chances of car-pooling would be zero.

In fact this whole idea assumes almost relationship levels of rapport. I had a female musician friend for 14 years before she ever visited my place. We had been seeing each other socially on almost a weekly basis and I'd even worked on three albums with her, two of which were recorded at her place in a home studio. I did manage to get her to pick me up and go for a drink one time when my car was being serviced.

Looking back at lays from the dim past when I was more in your (and Tim's) age group, the vast majority happened at their place and with women who had already acquired independence from family pressures. And I'd gotten to know most of them quite well socially without any outcome dependence first. This was all inner city, cafe society game.

I know quite a lot of girls under 25 right now and very few live separate from their parents, they can't afford to rent and generally have no desire to do so. Most save for a few years then take an extended trip overseas, come back to the parents and get yet another boring job. Eventually they get married in their late 20's / early 30's. The older women - divorcees and so on - have enough trouble organizing what to do with their kids to even go see a band on a Friday night, and generally leave early so they can send the babysitter home. Much of the above is what makes LTRs seem attractive to them.

There's a vast difference between what you'd expect in an inner city environment vs. what happens even 10km into the suburbs, where middle class values and conservatism reign. As for small towns, save me from ever having to put up with that again.

I'd challenge you, Timmy, Alex~ or Jedi to get laid on a reliable basis at any of my regular venues using what I've read here, and before you say "find new ones" please realise that I've gone to every place within a 15km radius. Venturing out further is just asking for logistical problems. This is especially true of city venues which attract clientele from all over, and the girl is likely to live 10km the other side of town.

Yes, Day2s are a sticking point for me, this is obvious from my stats. Not just because women are flaky generally, but also because of the abovementioned observations. Even dating itself is a foreign concept here, having been imported via US television shows in the 50's and 60's. This is why I stopped taking numbers recently and started just being in the now and enjoying myself more.

But note that from extended observation there are distinct and large social differences between American late teen & college life and that found in Australia. And these differences do definitely make for the need to develop new techniques.

Any damned fool can catch fish with a 30ft boat, a fish-finder and a net. To catch one off the local rocks using just a simple rod requires some zen.

haiqu
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