THE FORUMS
July 12, 08
8 sets, plus 2 hit n' runs which I won't count.
1st set, 3 girls: latinas. After opening they're very defensive. I joke around with the fat one telling her "we need to find you a man", so I open an adjacent 2 set of guys and bring the dude into my set. I split. But I came back to the group a couple times later.
2nd set, 3 girls: 2 old, one young. I left too soon.
3rd set, 3 girls: hot girls dancing. I roll in too high energy. They raise their bitch shield.
4th set, 3 older ug: One of 'em got bitchy cause I interupted. I respond "Yeah, Ok, whatever", and keep going. I used an opinion opener that was really bad. The bitchyness from the previous set got to me, I guess.
I used an absurd push-pull line, "You've got really pretty eyes...eventhough you're not really my type". She doesn't like it and tells her friends what I told her. I leave.
5th set, 2 girls: I claw both and use same opinion opener. Goes well, and move on with what type of guys are they looking for. I leave. Later on, my wing opened that same set and gamed the cute one. I winged him and k-closed the "not so hot one". :D We bounced them later to a big club.
6th set, 3 girls: bitchy, bitchy, bitchy. At one point I say to one of them, "It's nice talking to you...eventhough you're not really my type". Her facial expression changed drastically. :D So I tell her goodbye. Turn around. And open a 2 set right there.
7th set, 2 girls: opens great. I'm smiling a lot. Happy to be out of the previous set of bitter women. I immediately grab one and dance with her. She says, "now it's my friends turn". I dance with the other. I move on.
8th set, 3 cougars: Opens. I introduce. Set goes flat.
Observations:
After reading a lot of structured game stuff I'm still doing the same old approaches. And getting the same old results.
I stopped writing my affirmations a while ago. I need to start that up again.
My instinct tells me I should go more indirect. But I'm not sure what exactly I need to do to make it work. I feel like I'm stuck.
P.S.: Thanks Wiredrawn for your imput ! :)
8 sets, plus 2 hit n' runs which I won't count.
1st set, 3 girls: latinas. After opening they're very defensive. I joke around with the fat one telling her "we need to find you a man", so I open an adjacent 2 set of guys and bring the dude into my set. I split. But I came back to the group a couple times later.
2nd set, 3 girls: 2 old, one young. I left too soon.
3rd set, 3 girls: hot girls dancing. I roll in too high energy. They raise their bitch shield.
4th set, 3 older ug: One of 'em got bitchy cause I interupted. I respond "Yeah, Ok, whatever", and keep going. I used an opinion opener that was really bad. The bitchyness from the previous set got to me, I guess.
I used an absurd push-pull line, "You've got really pretty eyes...eventhough you're not really my type". She doesn't like it and tells her friends what I told her. I leave.
5th set, 2 girls: I claw both and use same opinion opener. Goes well, and move on with what type of guys are they looking for. I leave. Later on, my wing opened that same set and gamed the cute one. I winged him and k-closed the "not so hot one". :D We bounced them later to a big club.
6th set, 3 girls: bitchy, bitchy, bitchy. At one point I say to one of them, "It's nice talking to you...eventhough you're not really my type". Her facial expression changed drastically. :D So I tell her goodbye. Turn around. And open a 2 set right there.
7th set, 2 girls: opens great. I'm smiling a lot. Happy to be out of the previous set of bitter women. I immediately grab one and dance with her. She says, "now it's my friends turn". I dance with the other. I move on.
8th set, 3 cougars: Opens. I introduce. Set goes flat.
Observations:
After reading a lot of structured game stuff I'm still doing the same old approaches. And getting the same old results.
I stopped writing my affirmations a while ago. I need to start that up again.
My instinct tells me I should go more indirect. But I'm not sure what exactly I need to do to make it work. I feel like I'm stuck.
P.S.: Thanks Wiredrawn for your imput ! :)
July 13, 08
We went out, my buddy and I, with the plan of going to the club. Turns out it's closed. We bounce between bars.
2 sets and 1 wing.
1st set. Just danced with a girl. Pulled her into dance mode without a word. Nothing spectacular. Good warm up exercise thingy.
I wing my buddy who's in a 2 set. After talking for 2 mins. I pull my chick to the dancefloor(who later I found out was the chick my buddy wanted, my bad, sorry). We grind like crazy. She's shockingly young(17ish). I'm like
. When they're too young and very sexual, it's kinda startling for me. She's high status. Young and extremely well travelled. I show her I'm not bad either. We grind even more. Hilarious. My buddy backs off his chick. He ejects and I back him up. We leave eventhough we both could've closed.
2nd set. Weird situation. Everything's closed. Duh...it's sunday. But we decide to game at a restaurant/convenient store with books, CDs, and other shit. I walk beside a chick at the cash register, ready to pay. I opinion opener her. Goes nowhere. But I feel great because I was able to keep the "game momentum" even out of the club environment. So I give myself props for that.
Observations:
I'm feeling more positive overall. Maybe it's the antidepressants I've been taking for the past 10 days now. :D
The downside is that I feel less "sexual" as before. Antidepressants do effect your libido.
Thanks John, you're a great friend, buddy
We went out, my buddy and I, with the plan of going to the club. Turns out it's closed. We bounce between bars.
2 sets and 1 wing.
1st set. Just danced with a girl. Pulled her into dance mode without a word. Nothing spectacular. Good warm up exercise thingy.
I wing my buddy who's in a 2 set. After talking for 2 mins. I pull my chick to the dancefloor(who later I found out was the chick my buddy wanted, my bad, sorry). We grind like crazy. She's shockingly young(17ish). I'm like
. When they're too young and very sexual, it's kinda startling for me. She's high status. Young and extremely well travelled. I show her I'm not bad either. We grind even more. Hilarious. My buddy backs off his chick. He ejects and I back him up. We leave eventhough we both could've closed. 2nd set. Weird situation. Everything's closed. Duh...it's sunday. But we decide to game at a restaurant/convenient store with books, CDs, and other shit. I walk beside a chick at the cash register, ready to pay. I opinion opener her. Goes nowhere. But I feel great because I was able to keep the "game momentum" even out of the club environment. So I give myself props for that.
Observations:
I'm feeling more positive overall. Maybe it's the antidepressants I've been taking for the past 10 days now. :D
The downside is that I feel less "sexual" as before. Antidepressants do effect your libido.
Thanks John, you're a great friend, buddy
July 17, 08
Well, I got the weekend off(from hangin' with my girlfriend :)). So I can give my game a good push.
5 sets tonight. And I was dressed like shit. :D
1st set, 2 girls at bar. I kept talking although they were totally unresponsive. I focused a lot on my tonality. Tried to keep it slow paced. I still speed up my speech when I get nervous or when things are going wrong.
2nd set, 2 girls. I open with cheesy "do I know you ?". I cold read both. And use the "you girls are eye-coding". The friend cockblocks me before I even get a chance. I try to reframe but leave.
3rd, 3 girls sitting down. I try to pull one out to dance. Doesn't work.
4th, 2 girls. Italian. Not really into them.
I wing my buddy in a 3 set. Inventing shit on the fly.
5th, 2 oldies. Pull one out to dance.
Observations: A little warm up before the main course tomorrow and saturday. I'll pretend I'm on a BC and just approach everything that moves.
Need to open with body more slanted away from girls.
At this point in my journey the "observation" part of my FRs will be removed. Gone.
Well, I got the weekend off(from hangin' with my girlfriend :)). So I can give my game a good push.
5 sets tonight. And I was dressed like shit. :D
1st set, 2 girls at bar. I kept talking although they were totally unresponsive. I focused a lot on my tonality. Tried to keep it slow paced. I still speed up my speech when I get nervous or when things are going wrong.
2nd set, 2 girls. I open with cheesy "do I know you ?". I cold read both. And use the "you girls are eye-coding". The friend cockblocks me before I even get a chance. I try to reframe but leave.
3rd, 3 girls sitting down. I try to pull one out to dance. Doesn't work.
4th, 2 girls. Italian. Not really into them.
I wing my buddy in a 3 set. Inventing shit on the fly.
5th, 2 oldies. Pull one out to dance.
Observations: A little warm up before the main course tomorrow and saturday. I'll pretend I'm on a BC and just approach everything that moves.
Need to open with body more slanted away from girls.
At this point in my journey the "observation" part of my FRs will be removed. Gone.
July 18, 08
10 sets, 1 #close, 1 k-close w UG.
Went out with my buddy Mariochase. In the city for the weekend. First we went bar hoppin, then we went to the club.
1st. Danced with mature. She didn't want to dance at all. I had to show dominance and decision. This is helping me a lot. I notice more decisiveness when girls don't want to dance.
2nd set.2 girls at bar. Opened well. I started to talk about how the weather made people horny and sexy. I forced myself to make things sexual fast. But the girls weren't that pretty.
3rd set. 3 UGs. Joked with them. But one was kinda stunned I was talking to them.
4th set. 2 girls drinking sangria. I phone closed one chick. Really cool girl. I hope to set up a day 2 with her.
I winged and went great. Mario did a great job in this one.
5th. Total direct. Girl was super hot. Lot of things happened with this girl except a close. But it was still good learning experience.
6th. 2 girls. Went well again. But her friend pulled her to the bathroom.
Short set method. Very weak. Only high fived prob. 6 or 7 guys no girls. and overall energy was too low to do a solid short set method.
7th. 3 older women with husbands.
8th. 2 girls. One was a turbo girl.
9th. Mixed prob 5 people. Went direct to the one I liked. Slow blow-out death.
10th. Weak approach. Girl was walking in my direction and tried to be dominant and pull her in. It sucked. At this point of the night I was tired.
11th set. doesn't count 2 girls approach us. They need our help for some cell phone BS thing. I wanted to help Mario get the close. 3 dudes, their friends walk in. My other friends warns me about the dangers of having these guys around too long. Boom. I lead them downstairs to the dancefloor. I dance with my girl and make sure Mario's dancing with his. I grind and when the time is right I isolate. Close.
10 sets, 1 #close, 1 k-close w UG.
Went out with my buddy Mariochase. In the city for the weekend. First we went bar hoppin, then we went to the club.
1st. Danced with mature. She didn't want to dance at all. I had to show dominance and decision. This is helping me a lot. I notice more decisiveness when girls don't want to dance.
2nd set.2 girls at bar. Opened well. I started to talk about how the weather made people horny and sexy. I forced myself to make things sexual fast. But the girls weren't that pretty.
3rd set. 3 UGs. Joked with them. But one was kinda stunned I was talking to them.
4th set. 2 girls drinking sangria. I phone closed one chick. Really cool girl. I hope to set up a day 2 with her.
I winged and went great. Mario did a great job in this one.
5th. Total direct. Girl was super hot. Lot of things happened with this girl except a close. But it was still good learning experience.
6th. 2 girls. Went well again. But her friend pulled her to the bathroom.
Short set method. Very weak. Only high fived prob. 6 or 7 guys no girls. and overall energy was too low to do a solid short set method.
7th. 3 older women with husbands.
8th. 2 girls. One was a turbo girl.
9th. Mixed prob 5 people. Went direct to the one I liked. Slow blow-out death.
10th. Weak approach. Girl was walking in my direction and tried to be dominant and pull her in. It sucked. At this point of the night I was tired.
11th set. doesn't count 2 girls approach us. They need our help for some cell phone BS thing. I wanted to help Mario get the close. 3 dudes, their friends walk in. My other friends warns me about the dangers of having these guys around too long. Boom. I lead them downstairs to the dancefloor. I dance with my girl and make sure Mario's dancing with his. I grind and when the time is right I isolate. Close.
Awesome stuff..
I was kind of lost.. in the start.. but in the end.. I got out of my head.
During great part of the night.. I was defining myself as a chode.. was not feeling this was going to be a good day. But yet.. was a good day for me.. so it was nice.
Fuck it.. in the end was supposed to be a close for me to. I fucked up.. guess my game.. has to go a little better.
But was nice to practice. Anyway
I was kind of lost.. in the start.. but in the end.. I got out of my head.
During great part of the night.. I was defining myself as a chode.. was not feeling this was going to be a good day. But yet.. was a good day for me.. so it was nice.
Fuck it.. in the end was supposed to be a close for me to. I fucked up.. guess my game.. has to go a little better.
But was nice to practice. Anyway
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July 19, 08
Overall good vibes after this weekend. I'm happy with myself and my results(could be the escitalopram talking, that shit's potent :))
4 sets.
After spending most of the night looking for an alarm-clock :). We went to a bar and worked our magic.
1st set, 2 older women. Tried to make it sexual early on. Didn't work. Moved on.
2nd set, 2 girls. Testing my courage by giving me one of those smiley-blow-offs. Stayed in as long as possible but not really interested in them.
3rd set, mixed set. 2 girls + 3 guys. I tried my "good BL no EC" tactic. It worked amazingly well. The girl talked and talked.
4th set, 2 girls. Same thing. I gotta give this tactic a name or something :p.
I #closed one of them. Talked about different stuff. Leaned back well at the bar.
It almost seems like if you hold eye contact with these girls, they feel intimidated or something. Body-shifting is cool, too. Need to try that more.
Overall good vibes after this weekend. I'm happy with myself and my results(could be the escitalopram talking, that shit's potent :))
4 sets.
After spending most of the night looking for an alarm-clock :). We went to a bar and worked our magic.
1st set, 2 older women. Tried to make it sexual early on. Didn't work. Moved on.
2nd set, 2 girls. Testing my courage by giving me one of those smiley-blow-offs. Stayed in as long as possible but not really interested in them.
3rd set, mixed set. 2 girls + 3 guys. I tried my "good BL no EC" tactic. It worked amazingly well. The girl talked and talked.
4th set, 2 girls. Same thing. I gotta give this tactic a name or something :p.
I #closed one of them. Talked about different stuff. Leaned back well at the bar.
It almost seems like if you hold eye contact with these girls, they feel intimidated or something. Body-shifting is cool, too. Need to try that more.
hahhaa.. the alarm clock night.. hahaha.
MAn.. yeah.. we went to this bar, that was much more like a nightclub. Girls didnt speak english at all. Wow.. that was a hard scenario for me, I was shitting in my pants.. most of the now. But I did some sets.. although I had to improvise the language a lot.
MAn.. yeah.. we went to this bar, that was much more like a nightclub. Girls didnt speak english at all. Wow.. that was a hard scenario for me, I was shitting in my pants.. most of the now. But I did some sets.. although I had to improvise the language a lot.
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July 21, 08
Day 2 with a 2 set. These 2 girls were from out of town. After several text messages to program our meet, I knew it would've helped to bring a friend to wing me. But it was hard to call any of my friends up with such short time. And I thought it would be a huge challenge for me to at least k-close the girl I liked with no wing to help me out.
I have heard so many times, "You can't close a girl in a 2 set without a wing", that I really wanted to prove to myself:
a) It can be done.
b) I can do it.
To make a long story short. Several mojitos later, and some resistance because she didn't want to make her friend feel bad. I kissed her.
At the end of the night, her friend left me alone with her in my car. Sweet times. :)
When I got home I was so pumped and happy with myself I couldn't believe it.
I know it's a small thing for experienced guys and the guys here that are already nailin' strippers. But for me it was huge.
Not only that, but the recap of the last 36 hours was great for me.
I had sex with my GF, hung out and got sexual with my FB and had a great Day2 with another girl and her friend I had just met on Saturday.
Sometimes I still can't believe I can do this stuff.
It was so out of my reality just a couple years ago.
And if I can do it. Anybody can do it !
And you don't need a wing to get some action :D
Day 2 with a 2 set. These 2 girls were from out of town. After several text messages to program our meet, I knew it would've helped to bring a friend to wing me. But it was hard to call any of my friends up with such short time. And I thought it would be a huge challenge for me to at least k-close the girl I liked with no wing to help me out.
I have heard so many times, "You can't close a girl in a 2 set without a wing", that I really wanted to prove to myself:
a) It can be done.
b) I can do it.
To make a long story short. Several mojitos later, and some resistance because she didn't want to make her friend feel bad. I kissed her.
At the end of the night, her friend left me alone with her in my car. Sweet times. :)
When I got home I was so pumped and happy with myself I couldn't believe it.
I know it's a small thing for experienced guys and the guys here that are already nailin' strippers. But for me it was huge.
Not only that, but the recap of the last 36 hours was great for me.
I had sex with my GF, hung out and got sexual with my FB and had a great Day2 with another girl and her friend I had just met on Saturday.
Sometimes I still can't believe I can do this stuff.
It was so out of my reality just a couple years ago.
And if I can do it. Anybody can do it !
And you don't need a wing to get some action :D
July 24, 08
6 sets.
-2 girls. Open with "Hi, I'm..."
-2 girls. Open with same. Part of a big set. I shift my body around but still too jittery for my taste.
-3 girls. Open w opinion opener "my pants". Do the "runway" self-amuse thing. They like it. I introduce. Pick one and start talking to her. I picked the wrong one to talk to. Should've stayed talking to the alpha a little longer.
-2 girls. Open. One french, one italian. We bounce them to another bar.
I wanted my buddy to k-close the cute one but didn't pull it off. I winged him pretty well. I'm improving my "wing game". :)
-2 girls. On the street. Moving targets. I stop them w authority. They're blonde and cute. Didn't do much of anything there.
-1 girl. Street. Part of bigger mixed group. Direct approach w low tone of voice. Trying to go sexy smooth on her ass. I enjoyed myself there. But ended short.
6 sets.
-2 girls. Open with "Hi, I'm..."
-2 girls. Open with same. Part of a big set. I shift my body around but still too jittery for my taste.
-3 girls. Open w opinion opener "my pants". Do the "runway" self-amuse thing. They like it. I introduce. Pick one and start talking to her. I picked the wrong one to talk to. Should've stayed talking to the alpha a little longer.
-2 girls. Open. One french, one italian. We bounce them to another bar.
I wanted my buddy to k-close the cute one but didn't pull it off. I winged him pretty well. I'm improving my "wing game". :)
-2 girls. On the street. Moving targets. I stop them w authority. They're blonde and cute. Didn't do much of anything there.
-1 girl. Street. Part of bigger mixed group. Direct approach w low tone of voice. Trying to go sexy smooth on her ass. I enjoyed myself there. But ended short.
Gigololove
Senior Member
Join Date: 08/25/2007 | Posts: 212
I've spent the last 3 reading game-material. Mostly the classics. Tactiques, Strategy, and little bit of inner game.
I'm reading a lot of LR from top instructors now. And I just want to learn a structure at this point. I don't care if it's out dated.
I did 2 sets and I winged a 3rd.
Not much happen. I could kiss close the girl i was winging but didn't for 2 reasons. I didn't find her that attractive, and I didn't caveman enough.
Anyways the night isn't worh analyzing, since my game's such shit.
Don't dream it's over.