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Hey guys
I somewhat agree that set of 4 letters cannot define all people on this planet exactly.
However, the people that tested the same, share same problems. I've researched about INTP's and friendship... apparently almost everyone has problems making friends. The problem is that INTP's does not derive a sense of pleasure from socializing, rather it strains him/her. It puts real physical pain/anxiety when there's small talk. What really stimulates me is challenge and brain stimulation. I get real pleasure from that.
To me going out and tell same stories to girls results in actual physical pain and 0 interest, which gets me nowhere.
When I try to improvise, I switch into reactive mode, because INTP's usually love to observe, soak in and ANALYZE.
It's not that I can't go up there all high energy, with fun vibe and recite some canned material. What I'm afraid is - once this is gone and the natural self inevitably comes up, she'll realize her attraction for me was a mistake.
This probably is the key inner conflict I'm having right now with the whole PU thing. Sure, you can play a role, but do you want to play it every time you're around a girl you attracted when you first met her?
I somewhat agree that set of 4 letters cannot define all people on this planet exactly.
However, the people that tested the same, share same problems. I've researched about INTP's and friendship... apparently almost everyone has problems making friends. The problem is that INTP's does not derive a sense of pleasure from socializing, rather it strains him/her. It puts real physical pain/anxiety when there's small talk. What really stimulates me is challenge and brain stimulation. I get real pleasure from that.
To me going out and tell same stories to girls results in actual physical pain and 0 interest, which gets me nowhere.
When I try to improvise, I switch into reactive mode, because INTP's usually love to observe, soak in and ANALYZE.
It's not that I can't go up there all high energy, with fun vibe and recite some canned material. What I'm afraid is - once this is gone and the natural self inevitably comes up, she'll realize her attraction for me was a mistake.
This probably is the key inner conflict I'm having right now with the whole PU thing. Sure, you can play a role, but do you want to play it every time you're around a girl you attracted when you first met her?
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Hey guys.
Any INTP's or INTJ's here that actually went from being a loner-thinker to an all around attractive charismatic guy?
I've been thinking about top guys in the community. Most of them are NT-type extroverts. It's much easier for an extrovert to do this stuff. For an introvert this is a real challenge. I've been grinding away at this stone for years, I've had my share of success, but it's nothing to really brag about.
From my studies of this basically INTP's are most compatible with ENTJ's and ESFP's. ESFP basically being an ideal partner. I've had both g/f's, ENTJ and ESFP, and it's awesome, cuz you can be yourself and still have a lot of fun. The problem they're about 15% of population combined, devide that by 2 and you get about 5-7% chance of meeting your ideal personality match on any given approach.
So this brings me to this thought: should you really learn all this stuff, or rather just be yourself and find someone who will appreciate you for who you are?
Hey dude. A few months ago, as a guy who used to be considered introverted, I'd probably discuss this with you if it was in less psychobabble terms
But now I'm 100% sure that to even consider thinking in these categories about yourself is not useful at all. There is not even the slightest benefit from discussing it. This is TOTAL UTTER intellectual NONSENSE.
Listen to Tolle's audios. This is the absolutely best advice I could give. Honestly, listen to him until you start getting it as I did. Then there's no going back to mental masturbation and labeling yourself in any way shape or form, 'cuz it only ends up limiting you. This is like looking up to your past thru filter of some scientific nonsense to determine who you are.
Dude, "you are who you are" and that's all there is to it. That's EVERYTHING. So if you're being in the present moment, there's not a SHRED of past and future in your thoughts, and you act naturally like an animal with no thought filter, and end up attracting any girl that happens to be in your vicinity. You can be massively attractive even when doing your grocery shopping.
OTOH, if you think "I'm ERTT or IFJDKIO and KDJHDU with a bit of FJJDEI" this is the massive problem you choose to have. Alternatively, you can disregard it and just BE. And to "be" is to fuck and experience the pleasure of female companionship as well sometimes
Dude i saw tylers before picture and jeffy's and papa's. You will see that they were very fuckin introverted just by looking at theyr eyes and what they conveyd thru the picture. Go check the transformaition site and look up for the before pictures.
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Hey dude. A few months ago, as a guy who used to be considered introverted, I'd probably discuss this with you if it was in less psychobabble terms
But now I'm 100% sure that to even consider thinking in these categories about yourself is not useful at all. There is not even the slightest benefit from discussing it. This is TOTAL UTTER intellectual NONSENSE.
Listen to Tolle's audios. This is the absolutely best advice I could give. Honestly, listen to him until you start getting it as I did. Then there's no going back to mental masturbation and labeling yourself in any way shape or form, 'cuz it only ends up limiting you. This is like looking up to your past thru filter of some scientific nonsense to determine who you are.
Dude, "you are who you are" and that's all there is to it. That's EVERYTHING. So if you're being in the present moment, there's not a SHRED of past and future in your thoughts, and you act naturally like an animal with no thought filter, and end up attracting any girl that happens to be in your vicinity. You can be massively attractive even when doing your grocery shopping.
OTOH, if you think "I'm ERTT or IFJDKIO and KDJHDU with a bit of FJJDEI" this is the massive problem you choose to have. Alternatively, you can disregard it and just BE. And to "be" is to fuck and experience the pleasure of female companionship as well sometimes
But now I'm 100% sure that to even consider thinking in these categories about yourself is not useful at all. There is not even the slightest benefit from discussing it. This is TOTAL UTTER intellectual NONSENSE.
Listen to Tolle's audios. This is the absolutely best advice I could give. Honestly, listen to him until you start getting it as I did. Then there's no going back to mental masturbation and labeling yourself in any way shape or form, 'cuz it only ends up limiting you. This is like looking up to your past thru filter of some scientific nonsense to determine who you are.
Dude, "you are who you are" and that's all there is to it. That's EVERYTHING. So if you're being in the present moment, there's not a SHRED of past and future in your thoughts, and you act naturally like an animal with no thought filter, and end up attracting any girl that happens to be in your vicinity. You can be massively attractive even when doing your grocery shopping.
OTOH, if you think "I'm ERTT or IFJDKIO and KDJHDU with a bit of FJJDEI" this is the massive problem you choose to have. Alternatively, you can disregard it and just BE. And to "be" is to fuck and experience the pleasure of female companionship as well sometimes
So true.
I've been reading the Power Of Now daily and implementing it every second I can think of it, and I've noticed girls and people in general reacting totally different to me.
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After dark my city's a fuse
One day I say today we live as a lion
And when our cubs grow
We'll show you what war is good for
One day I say today we live as a lion
And when our cubs grow
We'll show you what war is good for
I'm almost certainly an ENTP. But during my teen years, I was kind of forced into being more introverted. There were a few factors involved. A restricted social circle, because I was growing up in a foreign country, overprotective parents, too much computer games...
I think you have a natural predisposition to acting in a certain way (ENTP for me). But you can deviate from this according to your environment and level of maturity.
I think you have a natural predisposition to acting in a certain way (ENTP for me). But you can deviate from this according to your environment and level of maturity.
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Does this have to do with the enneagram?
If so, yes, I always tested as a introverted thinker. Yes, I made the "transition." Yes, I currently do well with women. Yes, I am still primarily an introverted thinker.
You're right. There are definite patterns to guys who get good with women. There is probably a genetically hard-wired component that helps certain guys out. But since the goal of this community is self-improvement and since guys are looking for excuses not to get good, it's kind of an irrelevant discussion.
For an overwhelming majoirty of guys who are good with women (like 90%+), they derive their success and "charisma" from their lifestyle choices over the years. Once I modeled these lifestyles in a systematic way, I similiarly got good quickly.
If so, yes, I always tested as a introverted thinker. Yes, I made the "transition." Yes, I currently do well with women. Yes, I am still primarily an introverted thinker.
You're right. There are definite patterns to guys who get good with women. There is probably a genetically hard-wired component that helps certain guys out. But since the goal of this community is self-improvement and since guys are looking for excuses not to get good, it's kind of an irrelevant discussion.
For an overwhelming majoirty of guys who are good with women (like 90%+), they derive their success and "charisma" from their lifestyle choices over the years. Once I modeled these lifestyles in a systematic way, I similiarly got good quickly.
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Zabka
Field-tested, club-hoochie approved.
Game = not being socially retarded + good lifestyle + having balls + dressing decent + sense of humor
Field-tested, club-hoochie approved.
Game = not being socially retarded + good lifestyle + having balls + dressing decent + sense of humor
I always score INTP or INTJ, but usually INTP. Very strong INT bias.
Im not a terribly good "PUA," but I get results and in general I am pretty natural with women. On time I fucked 6 different, new girls in 10 days in college, pre community. Most of my friends would find it hard to believe I would find my way here.
You need to view extroversion and socialization in a different frame. Its only painful if you think it is. To be honest I feel like I know where you are coming from sort of, and what you might be lacking is confidence and experience in highly social situations. Force yourself to be outgoing but dont be fake about it, and you will learn to enjoy yourself while socializing.
Not saying you arent confident, introspecive types have generally rationalized why they have merit in a myriad of ways to generate confidence, such as being able to appropriately use the word "myriad."
Dont get hemmed in by a definition. get in field and make your life. Existence precedes essence.
Im not a terribly good "PUA," but I get results and in general I am pretty natural with women. On time I fucked 6 different, new girls in 10 days in college, pre community. Most of my friends would find it hard to believe I would find my way here.
You need to view extroversion and socialization in a different frame. Its only painful if you think it is. To be honest I feel like I know where you are coming from sort of, and what you might be lacking is confidence and experience in highly social situations. Force yourself to be outgoing but dont be fake about it, and you will learn to enjoy yourself while socializing.
Not saying you arent confident, introspecive types have generally rationalized why they have merit in a myriad of ways to generate confidence, such as being able to appropriately use the word "myriad."
Dont get hemmed in by a definition. get in field and make your life. Existence precedes essence.
ALSO - do not be ashamed of this. You seem to think it is going to hold you back, and it only will if you let it. Play to your strengths, be proud of who you are.
People who score INTP are like <1% of the population, if that makes you feel relatively unique lol.
Seriously, chicks love me. There are tons of girls out there that love them some INTP.
People who score INTP are like <1% of the population, if that makes you feel relatively unique lol.
Seriously, chicks love me. There are tons of girls out there that love them some INTP.
I am an INTP and I still think I am one. Funny thing is though, girls I am seeing swear I am not an introvert. They think that is the joke of the century.
I think they have seen the transformation from INTP (eg. Bill Gates) to ENTP (eg. Steve Jobs) more than I have. The ENTP is a very pimp personality type.
The INTP is probably the worst, most anti-social type to have and the most incompatible for what a woman is wants.
The ESTP is probably the most pimp type out there.
In order to be attractive, you need to harness the extraverted type. That is what happened to me.
You might have a little bit more to go through socially than me. I am up to 60 now with 3 threesomes and an alley pull. I state that blatantly because there are lot of dorks on here that will assume I am a dork and KJ a dumbass response, when I can pull straight ass.
In conclusion, as you go through this metamorphasis you will change into an ENTP... the time it will take will depend upon how social you are to begin with and how old you are. Acting eccentrically INTP, does not get you laid or keep a woman.
--Fate, An INTP
I think they have seen the transformation from INTP (eg. Bill Gates) to ENTP (eg. Steve Jobs) more than I have. The ENTP is a very pimp personality type.
The INTP is probably the worst, most anti-social type to have and the most incompatible for what a woman is wants.
The ESTP is probably the most pimp type out there.
In order to be attractive, you need to harness the extraverted type. That is what happened to me.
You might have a little bit more to go through socially than me. I am up to 60 now with 3 threesomes and an alley pull. I state that blatantly because there are lot of dorks on here that will assume I am a dork and KJ a dumbass response, when I can pull straight ass.
In conclusion, as you go through this metamorphasis you will change into an ENTP... the time it will take will depend upon how social you are to begin with and how old you are. Acting eccentrically INTP, does not get you laid or keep a woman.
--Fate, An INTP
ranger101
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Dude, I was 'introverted' to the max. I did challanges like the Shy Guy challange in my sig and a whole load more. Now, I'm not 'introverted', I'm 'Me'.