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May 20th, 2018
Tim’s back! Honolulu bootcamp with Tyler, Tim and Olcay
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Join Date: 08/22/2006 | Posts: 332

Hey guys, I haven’t been posting on this forum for a while, as I’ve been travelling for the last three months. Anyway, yeah, one year after my second mind-blowing bootcamp with Ozzie, I decided to take a third bootcamp! Truth is that both bootcamps I had taken really had given me a huge push forward and many learnings that I might not have had on my own, so I decided to repeat once more…

When I arrived at the hotel lounge, I met Olcay, he’s presently intern at RSD and has been sarging a lot with Owen. Actually he’s got really good game and he was a great help during bootcamp, bringing the party, winging and explaining some concepts. Anyway, he informed me that Tyler and Tim were on their way! I thought that Tim didn’t do bootcamps as he was studying in Aussieland, but apparently he’s back and Owen is working on some new product with him…

Owen quickly took me through the basic points for this bootcamp. Based on the objectives I had sent him, we would focus on three points for the first night:
1) creating the party in our own group
2) unstifling
3) escalating and going for the k-close in each set
Then Owen reviewed basic beliefs you have to have for this game. Afterwards they took me through specific considerations for escalating:
· When escalating I have to have a ‘complete disregard for her reactions’, if the reaction is bad it’s her problem, not mine.
· It’s important to be in the moment when escalating, or else if it’s premeditated it will come off as creepy.
· After all, the moment I open, the girl knows that I want to have sex with her and it’s ok, she wants to be taken.
· So I need to embrace that role of a guy that fucks girls, and make no excuses for my being a sexual guy.
· For that I need to be commanding, leading and dominant.

Then Tim gave me a lesson on the importance of being playful and having a good time – not to entertain her but to enjoy yourself! And he reviewed with me his ‘girlfriend for the next five minute’ plotline.

So we head off. First place is an early-hour bar. I open a seated 4-set of Aussies, Olcay wings and Tim later also comes in. This set runs like one of my typical sets so far: I get a very good connection with the girl next to me, an initial attraction, a lot of laughter, but bit by bit the energy dies out as I don’t escalate enough. At some point I just want to get out of the set and move on, but Owen forces me to at least try the k-close. So I go in, she evades the kiss, but in general her reaction is just neutral and suddenly there’s new energy and attraction in this set, that was quite an aha-moment for me…

We hit a first bar, it’s Thursday in Honolulu, not much going on. I feel rather uncomfortable, hadn’t been sarging a lot in these months travelling. A girl walks past us and I can see Tim in action stopping her and engaging her into conversation. Her friend comes in and I take her over. I try to go for the k-close fast, but it’s way to early and awkward and she runs off to her friends. That was probably my most embarrassing moment that night, but I guess that’s part of the learning process.
From that point my state went down. I felt the stress of needing to escalate in each set, and for that ideally the set should run well so I could escalate on a high point. So I was getting more and more into my head. Roxanne (Owen’s Mexican girlfriend with 100% Latina power) opened some sets for me and gave me social proof, but I was quite out of state.

At some point Owen sends me to open a girl that is dancing. I dance-attack her, while I hear Owen ‘lead, don’t follow’. I spin her, then I do some silly moves, she dances over to one of her friends... The debrief is ‘either you grab her at her shoulders and stop her, then you can talk to her, or else if you want to dance you need to lead’. Ok, point taken.

Two more sets in which I go for the k-close, then Tim makes a demo, showing how he goes in and backs up, creating tension until k-closing. I see and hear him in another set, using his ‘pinball of positivity’ – turning around and giving a positive spin to whatever the girl says. It’s amazing to see Tim’s relaxed style of opening, he just walks over and starts chatting. Ozzie has a completely different but equally effective style, he’s an incredible ball of energy, bringing the party and then sucking everybody into his party.

We leave this club and Owen does a mini-debrief. I need to get out of my head, that German stifledness is definitely a point I still need to work on a lot. I know that I’m 100% more playful and expressive than before my bootcamps with Ozzie, but there’s still a long way to go. “Just have fun, and focus on the good feeling in your body.”

We get into the next club – much more of a club environment - and from the moment we enter I feel way better than in the bar before. I do set after set after set. Owen has me experiment with different fun openers – opening with the ‘hang-loose’, just jumping into a set, etc. Tim does another demo, it’s great to see Tim working the set and hear at the same time Owen breaking down for you every little detail Tim does. Tim opens a mixed set – he only focuses on the girl and leaves out the two guys. A little spin, a claw – glorious.

I continue and open more sets. By now I’ve got my state quite controlled and I don’t mind whether the sets are running well or not. A few more sets in which I escalate, then a jealous boyfriend shows up and threatens to smash my head. He’s a head shorter than me, but he’s local and three of his bodies jump up immediately while Owen and Tim handle the situation. One more nice set, then we move out.

It’s Thursday evening, and the next bar we get into is already quite dead. Another good set, Tim’s winging – I see Owen making signs desperately and I try to escalate but I don’t get far. Then Roxanne comes over and extracts the set to a restaurant so I see how the extraction game is run. We have a fun dinner, exchange numbers, then we split. A little later Tim’s girl calls him and asks him to come over…



Next day starts with a long seminar on how to unstifle, become more playful and be in the now. A lot of Eckhard Tolle and Zen teachings in there, all aplied to pickup (I wonder whether Eckhard’s got any game!). Then Owen explains me a belief that’s fundamental to include into my belief system: “me amusing myself is offering value to other people” – no matter how bizarre the stuff I do.

That’s Olcay’s specialty, that guy is really living in his own reality and some of the stuff he does you would find strange, but he does it with such a conviction and has such a good time that he completely sucks you in and makes you have a good time. No wonder that he’s the one to do the ‘unstifling’ exercises with me…

We hit a club and I start out opening sets with Olcay. I feel a little blocked and I can’t get that playfullness coming. Most sets are fun and open easily but I don’t get far. But bit by bit I warm up and I’m having my blast. Owen has me open a few moving sets and explains me the importance of ‘escorting’ them into the room. I think I opened almost every set that was in that club. When we’re leaving the club one of the girls shouts after me. Damn, I’d been so focused on being playful that I didn’t escalate that much, she was in a set of which I thought it wasn’t leading anywhere… I try to get her to the next club we’re going but it’s a no-go.

The next place is quite empty, I do three sets then we move on. The next club is packed and we’re having a good time. I do lot of sets. One girl is particularly not fun and unattractive, so I leave the set early. Owen sends me back in. Ok, I do a spin and a claw but I really don’t feel the k-close. I kiss another girl which goes ‘that was smooth’, but then runs away. Whatever. I do tons of sets, mixed sets, girl sets, lonewolfs, walking sets, after each set I get a little feedback from Tim or Owen about what I need to focus on. More playful openers, ‘escorting’ moving sets, etc. At the end of the night my state is sky-high, I’m finally getting playful and my kino is getting more aggressive.

At some point Owen pushes me into a girl whose buying temperature is already high. I play around with her, we’re having a good time, the k-close goes smoooooth. Owen tells me to extract her, but I pull half-heartedly and she runs off and within seconds is in the arms of other dude. At that point Owen jumps in with all his energy. I’m amazed seeing how he shouts and uses his energy and cavemaning to get the girl out of that dude’s arms and back to me. In the end I lose her, but that was a very valuable lesson to see how hard you need to pull!

I do a couple more sets, then it’s debrief time. Ok, looks like I need a lot of time and sets to get my state up, so I’ll need to go for long nights of sarging, but once my state kicks in I’m well on my way. I do need to work a lot to become more dominant and learn leading my sets. Owen tells me that instead of not doing anything, it’s still always better to fuck up, that way at least I get the learning experience.



Next day we meet back in the hotel. Tim is really sick from some crazy food but still hangs out with us for a quite a while. Mate, I hope you’re all good.

This day’s seminar focuses on leading and being dominant. Owen explains that a lot of guys in this game ‘hope’ for stuff to happen, but you should never leave any variable to chance: “you will see that I get myself screwed over, but at least you won’t see that I let myself get screwed over, I’ll always try something to prevent it from happening and then I’m satisfied that I did everything I could”.
That’s why you always need to lead: if you open her in a high-traffic area, move her to another area; if you can tell that she’s looking for her friends, offer to find them before she leaves, reassert attention by being louder when you lose her focus, be the ‘anker’ of the conversation, etc. Then Owen explains the concept of ‘pimp-brainwashing’ a girl and how to tool out the other guys.

We hang out at a bar and order some food – time to ask all my questions and to get to know the team on a more personal level. Owen gives me some tips for solo sarging, to always think 5 sets ahead, that way you force yourself to do set after set after set and get easier into state. And Tim explains how he uses creativity to make everything he lives more intense. As if they were making a movie from his life, all he does has to do with ‘glory’, ‘destiny’ or ‘desire’. This lifts him up and that way he lifts up the people around him…

We start off at club W. Owen puts a laugh-spell at me: after every sentence I say I have to laugh. It drives me crazy, I feel like an absolute retard. I drop out of some sets, just because I can’t take my ‘laughing’ anymore.

Ok, you need to understand that they will personalize the bootcamp to your needs, see where you can improve and work on that. But the path to that improvement won’t be easy, they’ll push you out of your comfort level to your limits. This exercise was thought to get me more expressive and smiley and according to Owen the girls loved it – I hated it! Imagine presenting yourself ‘I’m Federico, hahaha’.

Considering that I’ll be sarging solo a lot, this night was designed so that most of the time I would walk around on my own, needing to push my state all alone.

Finally I get the “escorting” right, I open a girl, lead her through the club, take her back to present my friends and on. I get distracted, but a little later she comes to get me to show me some breakdancing in the other room. It was on until the boyfriend showed up. He was total absolute chode, but I felt sorry and didn’t want to tool him only for practice (I don't give a fcuk if you think that I’m only making excuses shades ).

Owen sends me open a mixed set. The girl responds well but a second guy comes in and I get distracted and drop out. Wrong! I need to focus on the girl and as long as she’s responding well I should forget about everyone else. Ok, I still need more practice with mixed sets…

I open set after set after set. A lot of sets don’t go far or boyfriends would jump up in front of me, but I keep pushing. Then there was this Asian girl. I opened her friend, then she set next to me and while all her friends left and tried to pull her away, she would not let them drag her away and keep talking with me (even though her friends tried several times). She accepted well the claw and other kino but would not let me kiss her, nor give me her number or come to the next club…

Next we moved to Pearl, a cool club full with local chicks and very clickish – a bit of a challenge. Again, lots and lots of set and again a focus on mixed sets and moving sets. Most sets opened quite well but I would get blown out after a while. I opened a mixed set and it looked like an alpha guy with his girlfriend so I quickly retreat. But I get sent back in: “Say ‘I’m back’, a cool guy can do whatever he wants”. Lesson taken, even though I don’t get far in that particular set.

At the end of the night I feel tired as hell, but finally I’m in state. Owen has me shout and accuse a set of two Asian girls. I’m surprised at the good results and how much they are willing to take, while I shout at them like a madman.

The lights come on in the club, but I’m set into another set of two Asians. I’m super playful and I’m having a great time, but I claw too fast and one of them gets scared…

We leave the club and meet a set I opened earlier and I get to open it again. It shout at the girl and she loves it, but she’s so drunk that she falls and her friends drag her away.

We get to the parking lot and I’m still sent into another set! Three Asian girls, I open them with a gigantic jump and I scare them a little bit – I guess I need to work on calibration. I quiet them down and chat a while – they are from abroad and don’t have a phone here, but they tell me their hotel and room number so I can call them. That’s a nice end for the night and for my bootcamp. In the car we debrief…


It’s been a bootcamp a destiny, three unbelievable days! I had a great time, it pushed me hard (!) and I learned a lot. I remember my first bootcamp with Ozzie, how it changed completely what I thought possible for me and how suddenly my results improved and a few weeks after I had my first game-related f-close. The second one was glorious and completely different and took me to the next level. And this bootcamp with Owen and Tim presented again new challenges and new learnings and pushed me again way past my comfort level. It will take me some time to internalize all the lessons but I know what areas to work on. Maybe you think that I’m a bc-junkie, but I know how much I learned in these unbearebly intense days.
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Ozzie

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Join Date: 08/20/2006 | Posts: 2529

top quality. oh, yes! you are one lucky bastard to have tim and owen, the fucking masters of the universe!
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Shameless my man, nice to hear from you again on the boards..!

This is The Duck, formerly BoyWonder, wishing you all the best.. And as soon as I have the resources, I'm taking the same number of Bootcamps as you my friend.. So if anyone calls you a BC-Junkie, they will call me that too by the time I'm done with RSD..:)

Thank you for a very well-written Bootcamp-review and may success always follow you in every endevour..! And Happy New Year..;)


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Bolo334

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Join Date: 06/22/2007 | Posts: 49

Hey Fede. That bootcamp sounds like it kicked ass. Were you the only student there?
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Join Date: 10/22/2007 | Posts: 149

great Boot Camp Report. thnx
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We start off at club W. Owen puts a laugh-spell at me: after every sentence I say I have to laugh. It drives me crazy, I feel like an absolute retard. I drop out of some sets, just because I can’t take my ‘laughing’ anymore.


Hahah that's funny, I found myself doing this alot much more since I've been "amusing myself". It's cool that you got taught that explicitly on bootcamp! Cool report.
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Join Date: 08/22/2006 | Posts: 332

Hey y'all,

thanx for all the interest and the love!

Yeah, I'm definitely a lucky bastard, I had Tyler, Tim and Olcay all on my own! I swear I tried to take full advantage of it and suck up every little piece of information.

Jedi, I loved your success story in Jeffy's newsletter - a 100% dominance, that's just what I need to work on.

Tim, I really had an amazing time, so happy you're back. Have fun in LA and with your 'natural' program!

Ozzie, you're my hero! So good to see you around. Hey, check that RSDWiki, I think by accident they converted you into a Spaniard.

Hey, The Duck. Good to hear from you and to know your new alias, I'll keep an eye out for your post, always a lot of positive energy!

Alex, heard and read a lot about you - also during this weekend. Looking forward to reading your posts and blog.

Oh, and Bolo334, how are you doing after your bootcamp and the blueprint conference? I've seen you posting on the forum, man I basically dropped out after the conference, internet connection in Cuba really sucked! But here I am with new energy ;)

Thanx guys. See you on RSDNation!
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Shameless Wrote:


Oh, and Bolo334, how are you doing after your bootcamp and the blueprint conference? I've seen you posting on the forum, man I basically dropped out after the conference, internet connection in Cuba really sucked! But here I am with new energy ;)



How was your trip? Man, I wanna take a couple months off and just travel.

I moved to South Korea and haven't been in the game worth a shit. Most of my social circles here are stagnant. I haven't talked to a random person in over a month. Well......FUCK THAT! I'M GOING PLATINUM!!!! TIME TO ROCK THIS SHIT!!

If you're ever in South Korea, holla at your boy.
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Bolo334 Wrote:
How was your trip? Man, I wanna take a couple months off and just travel.

I moved to South Korea and haven't been in the game worth a shit. Most of my social circles here are stagnant. I haven't talked to a random person in over a month. Well......FUCK THAT! I'M GOING PLATINUM!!!! TIME TO ROCK THIS SHIT!!

If you're ever in South Korea, holla at your boy.


It's awesome, man. Such an incredible time, so many new people, so many experiences and impressions. I haven't finished yet my travelling, tonight I'm going back to Colombia - it's a great country and people are so friendly and open!

South Korea's not on my list for the near future - Korean girls are pretty, though, so maybe in the future... Take care and ROCK!
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Join Date: 10/23/2007 | Posts: 69

Hey there Shameless, great post! I've never heard of someone taking up to 3 bootcamps. How would you describe yourself now, compared to before you took your 1st bootcamp? I would be fascinated to hear your "before and after".
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Shameless Wrote:
It’s amazing to see Tim’s relaxed style of opening, he just walks over and starts chatting.


I feel that I have not described well that style. You know, if you look at it from outside, it just looks absolutely effortless. You won't see Tim spitting game at the girls, it's just regular talk, usually he'll even get her to do most of the talking, yet you see the girls completely under his spell.

Just wanted to add on to that...
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