THE FORUMS

Hmmmmmmm.

Opened a few sets on the subway. Got the hook point with a HB8, but oh damn, I was in a rush and my stop came up. I gotta plan ahead more and #close earlier.

That conversation went really well for some reason. I opened with

"Hey, why is it so empty in the subway?" and kept plowing and talking.

I kept strong eye contact and just looked at her while I said my opener. After I started talking she glances at me uncertain, but when she saw my eye contact I think she decided I was cool and was pretty responsive in her conversation.

I think I've been opening kinda wrong all this time. If they aren't looking at me I should tap them and establish eye contact while I start talking. Before I'd just start talking and sometimes they never turn their head to me to establish eye contact.

I've got a question for anyone reading. Sometimes I see sets and I feel like opening to warm up, but then I don't feel like plowing cause it'll usually be a HB6 or below. Should I plow and escalate every set, even when I don't really want the girl?

There was another HB5.5 that I hooked in this pharmacy, but I didn't close again cause I just felt like talking.

Good stuff
-two # closes
-blowouts don't really bother me anymore
-in the set where I didn't get a good reaction, I didn't feel too bothered

Stuff to work on
-don't chode out at the beginning
-practice not running out of stuff to say to unresponsive girls

Hmmm it was an interesting night tonight. Went to this bar called Gaslight in NYC. I was sorta choding out at the beginning of the night, but picked it up in the end. It was unfortunate cause there were a bunch of HBs I should've opened but I didn't.

Talked to a bunch of people in the bar, some were HBs some weren't. Not too many HBs there, but I didn't expect much from a wednesday. I'll detail the sets that might be relevant.

Set1 HB5:
-I asked her if she was a business person, (everyone looks like a business person here)
-she said yes
-the rest of the time I was talking to her and she was pretty non-responsive, didn't answer me half the time or answered with one word answers
-didn't really hook so I let it go, didn't feel too bothered by it

Set2: HB7
-Two guys are fighting so I go up to this girl and ask her what the fight was about
-it was great, hooked well, vibed well, I CLAWED her
-eventually her friends were leaving and I tried to oversell this burger place and go for the venue change but it was a no go
-got the # and called it on the spot to tell her to save my name
-she was like "It's real you dick!" in a joking way, haha hilarious, first time someone ever said that to me

Set3: HB8, HB7, Hb6
-I decide to try out Shock and Awe style, messed it up terribly haha

Me: Wow you guys are so hot, I was gonna walk by but I couldn't help myself and had to come over

HB6 didn't hear me and wasn't in the convo
HB8 was slightly amused and talking back to me in a non-responsive way
HB7 was smiling at me and looking at me

Er, I didn't know what else to say so I slipped into normal talking. It was a little too logical. I was mainly talking to the HB8 and she was very non-responsive. I was thinking, excellent, this is my chance to practice plowing. Wow I made so many mistakes with this set. It's really hard to talk to them when they don't hook oh my goodness.

I think the seating arrangements were kinda bad. They were sitting on a couch and I didn't really have anywhere to sit. I ended up squatting and talking to them for too long in an uncomfortable position which DLV'd me haha. The HB8 left and I sat down in her seat which was probably a mistake. When she came back the HB7 said to give the seat back to her, and I did, and that was probably a mistake too.

I kept plowing and plowing and forcing the convo. It was great. I think there was an initial spark from my opening, but then I was too normal and logical. I asked way too many questions... I need to practice talking to non-responsive people more.

I got lots of congruence tests from them and mostly failed and answered them logically lol. I still stayed in the set for experience. Normally I would've just left after 5 minutes but this was the only set with girls left. I stayed in this ugly set for like 15 minutes I think or longer haha.

HB8: So, who are you here with?
Me: Er, by myself
HB8 and HB7: laughing
Me: Hey I just came outta work, what's the big deal!

HB8: Why are you talking to us?
Me: I just like talking to people

HB7: That's a really dumb question why are you talking about silly things
Me: I dunno, because I like to? Ok fine, what's the meaning of life
HB7: That's dumb too, that's too serious for me.
Me: Wow you're hard to please
HB7: And don't try so hard.

I still kept talking for a few minutes to her after this. I then gave her a break and sat down at the bar and watched tv for a bit. I should've mingled with others a bit, but I was still kinda surprised at how bad her reaction was. It was good though, I didn't feel too bad. This is the first time I've had quite a bad reaction when I wasn't trying to have a bad reaction.

I then went to the bathroom and reopened the set on my way back. It never really hooked but I just kept plowing. Eventually the HB7 that I annoyed was smiling again haha because I think I was so persistent that it was pretty funny. I even tried to venue change this dead set, but of course it didn't fly. I should've tried to # close but they were leaving.

It feels really good though. This is one of the few sets where I just stayed in despite powerful social pressure and negative reactions. I usually just leave and blow myself out. I stayed in and tried my best and I have no regrets about it.

I think it could've turned out differently if I had persisted with Shock and Awe in the beginning and not let it go too logical. They seemed interested when I opened with Shock and Awe. Also I ran out of stuff to say and just asked too many questions which was kinda bad. I think initially at some point it could've hooked because they were at least asking me questions, but eventually it just kept going down hill and I lost their respect.

Set4: HB5, HB6, dude
-I just saw these people and started talking to them
-they were really friendly
-eventually we all went to a diner to eat
-I #closed the HB5, but they're going back to LA on friday so I doubt anything will happen
-I tried to extract back to my place just for the heck of it, but it was a no go hahaha
-I have no idea how to extract when you're eating with a group of people.... no clue lol
-I just said I have all these Dave Chappelle videos and they're really funny and I told them to come watch them, but they said they had to sleep