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ranger101

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When I started out in this community way back, there wasn't any real stuff for the Shy Guy (that I was) - and having made the transition from Shy Guy to Sociable Gentlemen I thought I'd detail this for any shy lurkers here or guys who find talking to anything resembling a female.. difficult. This has been discussed since by various Guru's - but I thought I'd reiterate to say it actually worked.

What was this most transitional tool? Talking to Hired Guns.

Hired Guns are women (and men) who are paid to be nice to you. This ranges from a Starbucks barista to department store workers, charity muggers (people who stand on the street for a particular charity and try and garner support), the lady you buy your sandwich from, the checkout girl at the supermarket/store... you get the idea. Anyone in a position that serves you and you can't avoid.

So... what do you do with Hired Guns? Do you run some game on them; do you DLV IOI SUV PSP blah blah blah them? No.

You be a stand up guy. What do I mean? BASIC Example:

I'm in a supermarket, buying my lunch:
checkout operator[co]: Hello and welcome to blahblah
me: Hey there, whats up? How's your day been?
co: shock erm.... its been busy, thanks for asking. scans items/asks for money
me: pay Have a good day, don't work too hard. Bye.
co: smile Bye.


THAT's it.

Do that EVERY SINGLE TIME. And then maybe you can progress to:
Starbucks Barista[SB]: Hi How may I serve you?
me: Hey whats up! I'll grab a MochacholatteGrandeWhatever. Hows you're day been? You busy or are you busy slacking off? smirk
SB: Smille Haha.. its too busy here.
me: It's cool, you can take a break, I wont tell the manager/I'm friends with your manager/your manager wont mind.
SB: smile sheepishly I...cant... haha
me: pays Take it easy - have a great day.
SB: You too! Its so great to have customers like you!
END!


So. The general idea is that from TODAY - EVERY interaction in your life with a Hired Gun has to go beyond the normal societal standard. If a Hired Gun doesn't open you like they're paid to do so, you open them and ask them how their day as been. Engage them. It will make their day! Honestly.. how do I know this? I used to be a Hired Gun for 5 years - I enjoyed having customers who took an interest in me and looked forward to them - it made my day go faster and it was different. I remembered the people that took an interest.

Other things to talk about with Hired Guns:

If they look young, ask them if they are a student and what they are studying. Follow this up by asking about what career they want to go into and how is college treating them. etc.

If they aren't or they dont look like a student ask them about the weather or even BOAST about the weather:
Me: Hey whats up! Hows it going!
H&M[Dept. store] Check out HB: Hiiiiiiii! How are you!
Me: Awesome, you look tired though? (Even if they're not!) When did you start your shift?
H&M HB: Early this morning....
me: Ah man... you're so missing out on the awesome sun we've been having. It's lovely out there / Ah wow its so rainy outside... you're totally missing out on singing in the rain.
H&M HB: Don't! I'm bored in here, I sooo wanna be outside.
me: It's cool, your manager said it was okay to leave early and come out me with into the sun/rain.
H&M HB: HAHAHA! Noooooooo! I can't.. plus my manager is standing right there points to person next to her
me: to manager Hey! It's cool if she leaves work early right?!
manager: ....not really....
me: SEE! Your manager is really cool with it. Lets go! grin
H&M HB: hahahahahah....blah blah I can't.... thats £14.99.....
me: pay Don't work too hard. Catchya around..also.. faux whispering but loud enough for the manager to hear your a manager is mean! Cya
H&M HB: Big grin, sparkely eyes Byyyyeeeeeeeeeeeeee! waves

I have repeated that millions of times. Every SINGLE interaction with a hired guns goes into more than the customary. And then by accident you find you do the same to 'normal' people in life. By reflex.

Good Luck guys, hope this helps. I used to be a super shy guy, I'm exactly the opposite. Have fun!

Remeber: this isn't advance game theory or approaching or whatever - but if youre coming from a position of having no social skills, this is a good way to start to get social. There is no magic pill, you are not above the process. Go through this. Enjoy the man you will become. Also, another side effect of this is that when you start haning out with chicks and they come to stores with you, by reflex you're this friendly guy to hired guns, she sees this and is always impressed by how you treat other people. And it's all reflex by the time you get to that stage - because you did it so many times at the beginning it doesnt occur to you that 'normal' people don't do this.
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Jack Diesel

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This is pretty much EXACTLY what one of my good friends has done

but he baffles me as he has not moved beyond this transition

Its amazing, because he is lacking confidence in talking to women in so many ways, but he has absolutely ZERO approach anxiety

we will be on a train, a bus, in a concert hall, or anything... and he will just turn around to the person next to him or behind him or even a girl walking by and just be like

"Hey, whats up? whats ur name? hows ur day? hows the wife and kids?"

and thats his joke, which almost always gets a laugh (asking a girl how her wife is etc)

he learned this by doing exactly what you said! talking like this to hired guns, then eventually transitioning to all people. Additionally, he practiced alot by working sales jobs forcing him to open tons of different people and try to make them happy.

But the next wall he hit... was hooking. I really like this post and this method that you have put up, I approve, very good idea, and for your next mission for The Shy Guys I would love it if you talked about the next step: How to Hook people and begin escalating the interaction.... as in, getting the conversation to be more than that surface chit-chat

awesome post

Props

-JD
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SONICBOObs

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well if youre new or not recovering. but i always knew that those ladies were being nice to me, so in the back of my mind personally i felt worse if they tried to fake it.
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Tha-Playah

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you can usually tell if they're being genuine or not though. you can feel when you're making a fake smile or if someone else is.

ive done this a few times but what happens is i go to the same shops and its the same person working there.

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even ppl working can be cold, happened to me the odd time but its good when u can just make someone else happy for a minute or so.

the best one i did was on a slightly older woman, quite a lot of people around. there was a scratch card called Be My Valentine and I just happened to be buying that card. My mate was with me so I had that comfort to fall back on but I got to the till and just said "be my valentine!" and the people in the queue were looking at me, shocked. the woman serving me was amused. some other woman was like "i thought u were serious then".. we joked about it and my friend thought it was histerical.

even with hired guns though i'll sometimes i wont ask them how they're doing, i dont know why but i just hold back.

great post man.
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Yes! And I think you can make someone's day by just being a friendly soul in a shop or bar.

Some time ago, as a total chode, I remember this attractive girl in GAP attempt to open me twice in a very friendly way.

It was very clear through her whole manner that she was bored out her skull and wanted someone to talk to, and I could be that person, and that she didn't actually give a shit if I bought anything.

It's a really minor incident but found it striking, and thought about it a lot afterwards.
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ranger101

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Guys, in no way am I suggesting this as opportunity for pickup. Merely a starters guide for the complete socially-unskilled or shy guy.

Jack - thanks for your words - I am currently working on cementing the phase you mention into myself - so it's work in progress until I can report back on it!
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ranger101 Wrote:
When I started out in this community way back, there wasn't any real stuff for the Shy Guy (that I was) - and having made the transition from Shy Guy to Sociable Gentlemen I thought I'd detail this for any shy lurkers here or guys who find talking to anything resembling a female.. difficult. This has been discussed since by various Guru's - but I thought I'd reiterate to say it actually worked.



This is great advice, this can only improve your overall game no matter what level you are at.

You become a socialable person,
You become a person who is completely RELAXED talking to Strangers
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Great post. If anybody out there reading this is a TOTAL newb and scared, this is definitely the way to go.
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This is very valuable for me and many other beginners. Thank you, ranger101. :)

I just got a little tip for those of you that are worried their value might decrease if they ask for a chick's name first. Instead of saying "What's your name?", ask "Do you have a name?" See? SEE? High-value, baby! Combine this with ranger101's advice and you're even more $$$. You can come back and talk to the chick by her name! At this point you're not that far away from putting her in the butt. what chu talking about

Other things to say to a cute hired gun (you can learn just 1 new thing per day if you want):
-Hey, I think you dropped your smile sly smile
-If you love me you'll say "thank you" (this breaks her routine cos she's used to saying thank you when you hand her the money) If she says it, go "Aww...I love you too. I'm thinking we should get a baby/dog/take a vacation". If she goes mute, say 1. "I don't think this relationship is gonna work" 2. "that's it. we're broken up. You keep the whips and stuff and I'll keep the turtles. I like turtles." HAHA!
-You would be THE perfect girl for me... except I like blondes and you're brunette (or vica versa)

Then wink at her a lot, even exaggerate so she knows that you're playful, cos at first she might have a hard time reading your intentions.
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good post, i will pass it along to my chode friends and use it too
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