THE FORUMS
Bootcamp in Sydney w Tyler n Jeffy
timtam Wrote:
Tyler came over, huddled us in and made us play little games and doing silly things.
..with games/silly imitations, he taught/guided me on how to pump my own state.
Can you give some examples?
timtam Wrote:
Interacting with Tyler was phenomenal. Merely reading a post about the aforementioned things is not going to change your deep wired thinking.(I couldn’t be wrong) Listening to Tyler himself speak in a seminar will be helpful, but is still likely to leave you with doubts in your subconscious. It is only seeing Tyler through your own eyes, talking to him on a deep level, seeing him live his ideals, seeing how much he cares about us and seeing him being 100% congruent in his reactions and mannerisms to unexpected things in real time. This will change you.
Dude above is so true. And you were on fire. Like on friday a smoldering camp fire and by sunday night nothing could stop the bushfire that was you. I sat there with Tyler at one point watching you and the shit you did if you remember that Tyler was so damn proud.....Life changing stuff. I loved the post man. Oh and the Autograph you got LOL
Timtam has given a pretty good overview of wat the bootcamp was like, but to me I feel there is one area that needs to be expanded.
After waking up from wat seems almost like a dream, I tried to re-evaluate many of the concepts thrown at me during this bootcamp. To me, the most important one by far is this thing with self-esteem and being yourself. Before the bootcamp, I felt inner game was useless and was always more keen to learn the next routine. But like everything, it’s most important to find a balance between 2 extremes. If you’re a validation seeker (like me) then this is very helpful.
Firstly, let me give u Tyler’s analogy on this (this is not plagarising is it?).
Imagine a low esteem guy as a cup of empty glass. When he goes to approach a set, hes trying to TAKE VALUE from them, to “fill up” his glass… to feel validated. If he succeeds, the water level rises and his ego and state rises accordingly to the amount of validation he gets. The problem with a low-esteem guy is that the glass has a hole at the bottom. His image of himself is shaped by the outside world, and without the continuous validation, his glass will be empty eventually no matter how much water was there to begin with.
On the other hand, a high esteemed guy is like a cup of glass full of water. When he goes to talk to people (rather than see them as sets), he OFFERS VALUE to them in a non-patronizing way. There is a straw attached to the glass where an infinite source of water comes in, so water never runs out.
It goes without saying, most people would prefer to interact with others who allow them to gain value rather than give up value.
Whats this gotta do with the bootcamp?
Well what I realized is that esteem (and learning to be yourself) is more attractive than any other techniques I could learn in 3 days. From hindsight, during the entire bootcamp Tyler was trying to mould us into the guy with the full glass. Instead of limiting us to sets, Tyler would tell us to go talk to anyone. Tall, short, fat, hot, ugly, older, white, asian, black, ones with secure boyfriends, ones with insecure boyfriends etc etc.
Through this “technique”, we get a feel of what its like to be that high-esteemed guy. You talk and talk and you get familiar with the state of just being yourself (im myself most of the time when I talk to people I don’t an agenda towards). So eventually when a hot chic does pop up, you’re already in state and your mind automatically tells you “oh… more people… talk to them” and you can just be yourself (WHICH IS ATTRACTIVE).
If I just walked around searching for HB6+, when a HB9 shows up I’d be like, “wholly fucking shit HB9… time to bring out my A-game!!”
Although being yourself might not be THE way (maybe it is, who knows), thorugh this method my game improved shitloads. But more importantly, the bootcamp has taught me how to become a more successful person, not just a pua.
Of course, there is no such thing as the magic pimp pill as I personally need a lot more practice. But if I didn’t take the bootcamp, these concepts would’ve taken me probably 2-4 years to figure out, if ever.
So for those who haven't been in the game for that long and is srs about improving, i strongly recommend selling ur PS2 and that laptop u bought for ur ex-gf (which she gave back before telling u "lets just be friends"); Go sign up for the next bootcamp NOW.
Toxic
Spread the word…
and your seeds
Oh btw: don’t get me wrong, heaps of brilliant PUAs have low self-esteem and they still get laid tonnes (Stefan self-confessed he was one, not sure if he is still one now). So it doesn’t mean u cant get laid until u re-remember ur self-esteem. But the thing is, their pillars of reality are not stable and it becomes a never ending quest of validation seeking (eg. First validation comes from just opening, then only kcloses, the only fcloses, then getting a score of 100, then 1000, then have 3somes with sisters, then …never ends). I only just started but I already see myself going down that path. If you’re like that, why wait til then when u can correct the core of the problem now?
After waking up from wat seems almost like a dream, I tried to re-evaluate many of the concepts thrown at me during this bootcamp. To me, the most important one by far is this thing with self-esteem and being yourself. Before the bootcamp, I felt inner game was useless and was always more keen to learn the next routine. But like everything, it’s most important to find a balance between 2 extremes. If you’re a validation seeker (like me) then this is very helpful.
Firstly, let me give u Tyler’s analogy on this (this is not plagarising is it?).
Imagine a low esteem guy as a cup of empty glass. When he goes to approach a set, hes trying to TAKE VALUE from them, to “fill up” his glass… to feel validated. If he succeeds, the water level rises and his ego and state rises accordingly to the amount of validation he gets. The problem with a low-esteem guy is that the glass has a hole at the bottom. His image of himself is shaped by the outside world, and without the continuous validation, his glass will be empty eventually no matter how much water was there to begin with.
On the other hand, a high esteemed guy is like a cup of glass full of water. When he goes to talk to people (rather than see them as sets), he OFFERS VALUE to them in a non-patronizing way. There is a straw attached to the glass where an infinite source of water comes in, so water never runs out.
It goes without saying, most people would prefer to interact with others who allow them to gain value rather than give up value.
Whats this gotta do with the bootcamp?
Well what I realized is that esteem (and learning to be yourself) is more attractive than any other techniques I could learn in 3 days. From hindsight, during the entire bootcamp Tyler was trying to mould us into the guy with the full glass. Instead of limiting us to sets, Tyler would tell us to go talk to anyone. Tall, short, fat, hot, ugly, older, white, asian, black, ones with secure boyfriends, ones with insecure boyfriends etc etc.
Through this “technique”, we get a feel of what its like to be that high-esteemed guy. You talk and talk and you get familiar with the state of just being yourself (im myself most of the time when I talk to people I don’t an agenda towards). So eventually when a hot chic does pop up, you’re already in state and your mind automatically tells you “oh… more people… talk to them” and you can just be yourself (WHICH IS ATTRACTIVE).
If I just walked around searching for HB6+, when a HB9 shows up I’d be like, “wholly fucking shit HB9… time to bring out my A-game!!”
Although being yourself might not be THE way (maybe it is, who knows), thorugh this method my game improved shitloads. But more importantly, the bootcamp has taught me how to become a more successful person, not just a pua.
Of course, there is no such thing as the magic pimp pill as I personally need a lot more practice. But if I didn’t take the bootcamp, these concepts would’ve taken me probably 2-4 years to figure out, if ever.
So for those who haven't been in the game for that long and is srs about improving, i strongly recommend selling ur PS2 and that laptop u bought for ur ex-gf (which she gave back before telling u "lets just be friends"); Go sign up for the next bootcamp NOW.
Toxic
Spread the word…
and your seeds
Oh btw: don’t get me wrong, heaps of brilliant PUAs have low self-esteem and they still get laid tonnes (Stefan self-confessed he was one, not sure if he is still one now). So it doesn’t mean u cant get laid until u re-remember ur self-esteem. But the thing is, their pillars of reality are not stable and it becomes a never ending quest of validation seeking (eg. First validation comes from just opening, then only kcloses, the only fcloses, then getting a score of 100, then 1000, then have 3somes with sisters, then …never ends). I only just started but I already see myself going down that path. If you’re like that, why wait til then when u can correct the core of the problem now?
having said all that, the bootcamp was just a fucking blast
my highlights reel (things that will probably happen to u on bootcamp):
kclosing on the 1st night - 1st kclose.
i've been in the game for 3 months and didn't even DARE going for a kclose, let alone getting 1.
watching jeffy making out with a girl who blew u out - i didn't see it myself (timtam did) but it's pretty fucking inspiring to think that in a couple of years you could be making out with a girl who blew u off
grinding a MILF whose husband was right behind u - her husband was literally 185, 100kg (im 168, 53kg) but luckily timtam defused the situation and i ejected after spending a few more minutes with his sweet wife. (then tyler told me to go back in there and extract her HAHAHAHA)
no. closing a girl with an insecure bf - this one was classic. i wasn't even going anywhere with this chic so i thought fuck it, just go for a no. close. She didn't wanna give it to me but i gave her my phone anyway. As soon as i did that, i see this guy walking over with his hands on his waist (lol try walking like that for 20metres everyone) and started mouthing off at me and his gf as well. Then tyler came outta nowhere and amogged him. Meanwhile his gf gave me her number.
approaching and closing a mixed 4 set (2 guys 2 girls) - this one was my best set by far. i've approached about 5 mixed sets in total prior to the bootcamp and never got past the opener. This time me and my wing came away with a number each without using routines
meeting tyler - this one deserve a thread of its own. tyler taught us so many ways to be successful, not just as a pua but as a human being. Coming from a position of higher value, he doesn't have to treat everyone equally, but he does. That in turn made me realise u dont have to treat a HB7 differently from a HB10. You dont have to neg a HB10 twice more than a HB7. Tyler approached everyone almost the same way by treating them as an equal and being himself.
Obviously it's more complicated than that (no magic pill remember?), but coming from a view where "better" people should be treated better, it was reality shifting
(maybe i should put this in field reports but it's bootcamp related)
ok im done kj-ing
KJing is fun, but it sux compared to the real game
Toxic
Spread the word...
and your seeds
my highlights reel (things that will probably happen to u on bootcamp):
kclosing on the 1st night - 1st kclose.
i've been in the game for 3 months and didn't even DARE going for a kclose, let alone getting 1.
watching jeffy making out with a girl who blew u out - i didn't see it myself (timtam did) but it's pretty fucking inspiring to think that in a couple of years you could be making out with a girl who blew u off
grinding a MILF whose husband was right behind u - her husband was literally 185, 100kg (im 168, 53kg) but luckily timtam defused the situation and i ejected after spending a few more minutes with his sweet wife. (then tyler told me to go back in there and extract her HAHAHAHA)
no. closing a girl with an insecure bf - this one was classic. i wasn't even going anywhere with this chic so i thought fuck it, just go for a no. close. She didn't wanna give it to me but i gave her my phone anyway. As soon as i did that, i see this guy walking over with his hands on his waist (lol try walking like that for 20metres everyone) and started mouthing off at me and his gf as well. Then tyler came outta nowhere and amogged him. Meanwhile his gf gave me her number.
approaching and closing a mixed 4 set (2 guys 2 girls) - this one was my best set by far. i've approached about 5 mixed sets in total prior to the bootcamp and never got past the opener. This time me and my wing came away with a number each without using routines
meeting tyler - this one deserve a thread of its own. tyler taught us so many ways to be successful, not just as a pua but as a human being. Coming from a position of higher value, he doesn't have to treat everyone equally, but he does. That in turn made me realise u dont have to treat a HB7 differently from a HB10. You dont have to neg a HB10 twice more than a HB7. Tyler approached everyone almost the same way by treating them as an equal and being himself.
Obviously it's more complicated than that (no magic pill remember?), but coming from a view where "better" people should be treated better, it was reality shifting
(maybe i should put this in field reports but it's bootcamp related)
ok im done kj-ing
KJing is fun, but it sux compared to the real game
Toxic
Spread the word...
and your seeds
Great report man! Sounds like you had an awesome time! :)
Can you please elaborate a bit on this!
Thanks again!
timtam Wrote:
When we got back to the hotel, I furiously wrote down the steps that I went through that allowed me to get in the zone.
I am going to ride out the momentum the workshop has given me. I am going to look at pictures taken over the weekend when I’m feeling down, to motivate me. And I am going to make Tyler proud when he next comes back to Sydney.:)
Can you please elaborate a bit on this!
Thanks again!
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Upcoming San Francisco Bootcamps:
March 12-14, 2010
March 19-21, 2010
March 26-28, 2010
61% lay rate on my programs over the last 2½ years (46 for 75)
"THE JEFFY SHOW": a 6-DVD set in which I lay my entire toolbox bare.
"An all out, power-to-the-people assault on the foundations of pain and insecurity." -Ciaran H.
"NINE BALL": my long-awaited book, now available in hardcover
"The brilliance of Nine Ball lies in its honest irreverence. After stripping away myths of modern courtship with shameless hilarity, Allen exposes deeper themes of identity and personal growth. If wit, eroticism, recklessness, and satire formed an ‘80s hair band and played darkly inspired love songs, you’d have something that might approach the intensity (and awesomeness) of this book." -Robert Oerzen
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Who was with Jeffy? Howd that side go?
timtam
Junior Member
Join Date: 04/03/2007 | Posts: 2
A little introduction. I’ve been reading stuff for a while and have been in the field for about 2-3months. This is the first post I’ve made on this forum or any other forum. I hope you guys like it. It is going to be slightly different from the other reviews as it contains more details about my states at different points during the workshop. This is as much of a personal reflection for myself as it is a review for you guys. Enjoy.
ON PROCESS
I am only going to give a brief overview of what happened on the different sets I opened in the 3 days as it is pretty similar to the various other workshop reviews. I did the workshop in Sydney 30/3/07 – 1/4/07 with Tyler and Jeffy. I spent most of my time with Tyler.
1st night – went out with no routines, just the claw. The first few sets opened with ease and I was so surprised and validated after the 3-4th set I didn’t want to open anymore. (to preserve my ego) After a few minutes of walking around and waiting at the bar I lost state and was inside my head again. Tyler came over, huddled us in and made us play little games and doing silly things. He helped me to get outside my head again and away I went.
2nd night – went out with no routines (some little tactics – taught by jeffy) and of course my trusty claw. Maybe because the venue wasn’t crowed enough, maybe because I was afraid to fail, maybe it was something else, but my night did not start well. I opened a few sets, while I didn’t get blown out, they quickly dried up as I ran out of things to say. I was inside my head big time. Again, Tyler came over, he talked to me but this time he didn’t help me get into state. Rather than pumping my state for me (which wouldn’t really help me AFTER the bootcamp and when I didn’t have Tyler anymore) with games/silly imitations, he taught/guided me on how to pump my own state. By the end of the night, I didn’t want to leave. I wasn’t just outside my head, I was in the zone. When we got back to the hotel, I furiously wrote down the steps that I went through that allowed me to get in the zone. I was truly euphoric because I got into the zone on my own from a major low. Even more so it felt as if I got it and if I could replicate the process every time (to get into the zone)…then I was set. This was also the first time I was having fun doing PU when I didn’t have to worry about running out of things to say.
3rd night – To be honest, I was a little scared my own steps to get into the zone (the ones I wrote down last night) wouldn’t work. Luckily it did.
Time flew and I couldn’t get blown out when I tried.
ON GAME
Below are some of the more important concepts that I learnt and implemented through the weekend. There is also some of my personal reflection on them.
Being yourself – On the first night, Tyler told us to just Claw them in and say hi or say who are you. When sets blew open and girls were beaming/smiling at me, I had a major epiphany. Prior to the boot camp, I would only ever open sets with opinion openers and use routines. I was coming from a place where I thought what I had to say was not good enough and girls would only like me when I used DHV routines. But using routines never helped me build confidence; routines won’t a reflection of who I really am. When the routines run out, I was finished. By going in totally natural and laid back…just vibing, it allows you to see that just being ‘you’ can get hardcore attraction.
Being in the moment
Another major epiphany I had. I’ve gotten into the zone before, but it was never through a conscious process of my own taking. Previously if the first few sets go really well then I’d have a good chance of reaching the zone. However it was always a game of Russian roulette. It was never certain what sort of a night I would have. (Being in the moment is slightly like being drunk, except your mind is 100% conscious and you ARE THE PARTY)
When you are in zone, you could do no wrong. Your internal dialogue is completely switched off. You don’t worry about what people think of you, in fact you don’t think about anything. Your mind is blank. When you open, you have no idea what you are going to say. All you have to do is open your mouth and words just flow out. You don’t need to use memorized cocky-funny lines, they just naturally flow out. You don’t need to think about kino-escalation, your body just does it naturally.
Let go of the outcome
Another very important concept. Just stop trying to get something from them and vibe and offer value. Tyler said people can sense it when you are not outcome dependant, I don’t understand why, but it works. If you go in not caring where the interaction is going to lead you, it usually goes very well.
Be cool
Just use common sense, be the cool dude. Don’t have to think of tactics every time. If a guy friend enters the set, you don’t need to immediately amog him, just be cool. And if you are a little bit more ‘on’ you’d still get the girl.
Routines v No routines
I found using routines always put me inside my head because I was always thinking of the next routine to use. However at the same time, you can sprinkle them in when you need to. (I agree with Jeffy on this one Tyler. Using routines won’t help you when you are already in the zone, but sprinkling them in when you are not 100% in state helps)
ON LIFE
A lot of this relates to inner game and being happy etc. It is my own reflection of the conversations we had with Tyler on the third day. While some of this stuff isn’t immediately applicable in the field, I feel they are of equal importance if not more. This stuff may not be applicable to people who are at different stages in their game or who have different goals to the ones I have.
I got into the game to become an alpha male (coz alpha males are popular and popularity equated to happiness, so I thought). Banging hot girls is obviously another major goal, I’m not going to lie, but ultimately I wanted to be happy.
The reason I took a RSD boot camp as oppose to its competitors was because Tyler (after reading the self-esteem article on Tyler’s blog) and hence RSD seems to have the answers to happiness, not just banging hot girls. (I was so overjoyed I almost peed my pants in public when I heard Tyler himself was taking the boot camp, I shit you not)
A lot of ideas were geared towards being a cool guy and building self-esteem, and being happy. Immediately off the top of my head, these ideas were discussed.
• Make a conscious decision for change
• Implementing a habit
• Have internal pillars of reality
• See everyone as an equal, don’t judge
• Be real and genuine and integrated with the world
• Make the choice to be happy but still constantly improving yourself.
• Self-esteem
There are posts Tyler made which explain the concepts in much more detail, just do a search for them.
When I saw posts like that before, I would skip over them. Even when I read them, I would dismiss them because I didn’t think it helped with ‘game’. Then there were other articles (like the self-esteem one on Tyler’s blog) which I appreciated but thought I must come full circle (get 100 lays, realize it didn’t get me happiness then develop self esteem) before I could internalize.
Interacting with Tyler was phenomenal. Merely reading a post about the aforementioned things is not going to change your deep wired thinking.(I couldn’t be wrong) Listening to Tyler himself speak in a seminar will be helpful, but is still likely to leave you with doubts in your subconscious. It is only seeing Tyler through your own eyes, talking to him on a deep level, seeing him live his ideals, seeing how much he cares about us and seeing him being 100% congruent in his reactions and mannerisms to unexpected things in real time. This will change you.
Conclusion
As I am writing this, I feel much inner peace. I feel inspired. I feel truly blessed and happy. My plan is to keep learning and experience going into state. (Outer game), while at the same time read more widely, lead a better lifestyle…be happy and develop a strong sense of self esteem (Inner game)
I am going to ride out the momentum the workshop has given me. I am going to look at pictures taken over the weekend when I’m feeling down, to motivate me. And I am going to make Tyler proud when he next comes back to Sydney.:)