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July 23rd, 2014
ITT: I help you with Tinder replies
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BeWater

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Join Date: 07/10/2012 | Posts: 229

So I've been pretty good at text game and getting girls to meet up with me. I usually steer things towards them coming over for wine and a "movie" or some shit like that. If I have to, I'll set up a quick drink date near my apt and then pull them back there. I had been doing this to girls I've # closed IRL. I held off from doing any online dating until a friend recently got me onto Tinder. I've practiced random text game on girls there and, as usual, there are patterns that emerge. I usually go with cheeky responses and have an ABC (always be closing) mindset. And since the girls on Tinder swiped right, I just assume they want the D. A lot of my friends who struggle with this have insecurities about whether the girl likes them or not, so they don't close. Or they feel rejected when the game is still very much on. Based on what I've seen others do, my mindset is as useful to success in this area as my actual skills (which are better than average, I guess, but nothing that anyone else couldn't do).

So....ITT, you guys post convos that you want help with and I'll see what I can do. Provide some background info if the convo has been on going for a while. If it's been short, post the entire convo. Screenshots are best. If you post a pic of the girl as well, it can keep things fun. Also, POST YOUR LOGISTICS! I need to know where your sex locations is and whether you live alone, with roommates (whether they're chill or not), with parents, etc. Let me know your preferred date. With online, for safety reasons, I think it's best to meet them at a spot near your sex location. If they're legit, bounce them there. But tell me these things so I can help you steer the convo in that direction.

I'm sure some people will be doubting me, and if that's you, just post a convo and we'll see if I can help. No sense in judging beforehand. There may people who are better than me or whatever, but I've banged 3 different girls this week with my text game, have another one lined up, and have an open weekend where I'll probably pull more girls. Not here to impress anybody. I'm here to help some people close off of Tinder. And on the selfish side, I want to see if I can get girls vicariously to test my own abilities.

If you want help, or if you want to test me, go ahead and post some screenshots. Let's see if we can get some people laid.

Go!
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Citrus-PUA

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Beforehand, I'm curious about what you post in the first "text".

I usually get some "Hey"s from girls and I find it ultimately boring.
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BeWater

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Fuck man...I wrote a big ass response and I lost it by accidentally pressing back....sigh

K...I'll try and recap what I wrote with cliff notes:

- "Hey" is a bad opener if coming from you (sucking value vs providing value) but a great opener coming from her
- She swiped right on your profile, matched with you, actively took the time to reach out to you (assume that she wants the D...just close!)
- basic text outline follows gauging buying temp, figuring out logistics, then closing...if she's opening with "Hey", her buying temp is pretty much good to go
- at that point, you just follow basic "status game" or "good looking guy game", which is pretty much just not fucking up the attraction she already has for you
- don't fall into the game trap...don't game for the sake of gaming...as soon as she's warm, close!
- aka don't try shit like Julien drama or whatever if she's already DTF...close, close, close!
- a couple flirty texts is the most you need, then go into logistics while maintaing cheeky attitude

- if she doesn't open you, flirt for 5-10 texts, but play it like chess, constantly lead it towards the meetup (ABC - always be closing)
- you can usually remark on something about her look, her pics, her distance (whether unusually close or far), age difference, her tagline, or whatever else can start a convo
- don't go overtly sexual, but have flirty ambigious undertones behind your messages (if it's overt, she'll be turned off, but if it's vaguely suggestive, she'll get excited in anticipation)
- as quickly as you can, go from a you vs me frame into an "us" or a "we" frame
- extreme push/pull is not necessary as you can just assume attraction without needing to work very hard to build it...only use it if her buying temp is low, otherwise, just flirt
- use your own tagline as something that she can remark on (I won't give you mine so it doesn't become played out, but think of something that's a "call-to-action"...she can use that to open you without thinking of something clever herself or feeling like a slut if she goes out of her way to say something....this way, she's just following your lead with whatever "call-to-action" you wrote in your tagline)

In my original response, I wrote a bunch of examples, but frankly I don't think canned openers are gonna help anybody if they can't get the whole frame down. What I'd rather do is help you with specific girls and walk you through it. That way, people can see real examples instead of hypotheticals, learn from it, and use their own brains to pimp on Tinder. So if you want me to give you actual examples of responses, then take some screenshots and post them. Then I'll give you examples of what to use with those girls. If you've started a convo, post that. If not, post the girls pics and basic profile (age, distance, name, tagline) so we can have something to use as an opener.

Conversely, just being a cheeky cunt works well for openers. I've literally used Tinder's own suggestions as openers while telling the girl it was a Tinder line. Or you can go the other way and say something like "Hey *girlsname*! Tinder didn't give me a good pickup line to use on you...this is bullshit lol! Wanna help me sue this app? We can make billions...I'll give you at least 10% ;)"

To actually answer your question...keep your logistics, sex location, and first date in mind. If a girl says "Hey" to me and there's absolutely nothing to remark on (pretty fucking rare tbh...unless you're creatively challenged) I usually just go into my screening. You lead the convo. Don't expect the girl to entertain you. You gotta know what you want and actively go and get it. So it'll go like this:

Girl: Hey
Me: Hey *girl'sname*...question for you: red or white?

She'll either answer or ask why. If she asks why...

Girl: why?
Me: Trying to decide which kind of wine we're going to have on our honeymoon...I mean first date lol ;)

You can say any variety of things,  but this particular example does several things. It creates a "you and her" role play, has her imagining you two together in the future, and is fun and flirty. You can then parlay this into a meetup within 5-10 texts, continuing down the same path.

If she answers red or white...
Girl: Red
Me: Really? I thought you looked like a white wine kinda girl...hmmmm
(I ask that because most girls actually like white wine, but they'll usually pick red as a colour.)
Girl: Ouu actually yeah I love white wine!
Me: Perfect! That's what we're gonna have! Have you heard of *name of bar/pub/restaurant near your sex location*?

etc etc etc....

- 5-10 texts and close
- get the #
- move it off Tinder and onto texting
- set up the meet up
- keep her warm with pointless texts if the date is not for that night or the next night
- double check that she's still good the day before
- check again the day of
- send some logistics texts a few hours before to check again...all this reduces flaking
- meetup with her, have 1 or 2 drinks, then bounce her to the sex location or somewhere else before the sex location if she's not warm enough yet
- always make sure to screen and make sure she's not doing something later that night or early the next day
- othewise your date has a high chance of being cut short and you will most likely not have enough time to fuck

Now seriously...post some screenshots and we'll get the ball rolling on some actual girls instead of all this theory stuff....I'll explain as we go
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richie rich

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bewater...this is the best post i've seen on rsd in weeks. go figure everyone ignores it.

I have a little different method but you gave me some great ideas that I think will really help

thanks

 
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bumpin this great post for my tinder betches who need help
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Always willing to meet new people. I will wingman the SHIT OUT OF YOU so you can fuck the SHIT OUT OF HER. PM me if you're in the St. Louis area.
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BeWater

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richie rich Wrote:
bewater...this is the best post i've seen on rsd in weeks. go figure everyone ignores it.

I have a little different method but you gave me some great ideas that I think will really help

thanks

 


LOL! I have people PMing me for help, and I'll respect their privacy, but it would be better for everyone if the posts were public.

Glad I could help man. What's your method? Maybe I can learn something from you!
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richie rich

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BeWater Wrote:
richie rich Wrote:
bewater...this is the best post i've seen on rsd in weeks. go figure everyone ignores it.

I have a little different method but you gave me some great ideas that I think will really help

thanks

 


LOL! I have people PMing me for help, and I'll respect their privacy, but it would be better for everyone if the posts were public.

Glad I could help man. What's your method? Maybe I can learn something from you!


I learned this from my natural friend. always wait 2 days for the matches to message you. If she doesn't message...

"hi :)"
she will usually say "hey whats up" or "hey" or "hi"

after that I "cube" her (old mm technique) ask her what her passions are what her interests are, where does she see herself in 5 years, what's her ultimate fantasy?

if I think her responses are stupid I'll just block her. If I like her responses or if she is smoking hot (lol) I will compliment her and get her to this tequila bar down the street from my house. if she is under 21 a coffee shop near my house.

1hr of vibing then I try to bounce her to my house or another spot if she's still a little apprehensive.

Not 100% effective by any means but I'd like to think that I have a decent system down. Some girls I like more than others.
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Fixed2daNines

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Join Date: 03/19/2013 | Posts: 6

BeWater Wrote:

- 5-10 texts and close
- get the #
- move it off Tinder and onto texting
- set up the meet up
- keep her warm with pointless texts if the date is not for that night or the next night
- double check that she's still good the day before
- check again the day of
- send some logistics texts a few hours before to check again...all this reduces flaking
- meetup with her, have 1 or 2 drinks, then bounce her to the sex location or somewhere else before the sex location if she's not warm enough yet
- always make sure to screen and make sure she's not doing something later that night or early the next day
- othewise your date has a high chance of being cut short and you will most likely not have enough time to fuck

Now seriously...post some screenshots and we'll get the ball rolling on some actual girls instead of all this theory stuff....I'll explain as we go




Nice...our game is pretty similar.  Just went on a tinder date the other night but couldn't get the lay cuz logistics sucked. 

This chick was pretty cool so I plan on seeing her again.  How long do you guys usually wait to hit her up again?  a few days? week?
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CANM

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Good topic, hope it stays active.
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BeWater

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richie rich Wrote:
BeWater Wrote:
richie rich Wrote:
bewater...this is the best post i've seen on rsd in weeks. go figure everyone ignores it.

I have a little different method but you gave me some great ideas that I think will really help

thanks

 


LOL! I have people PMing me for help, and I'll respect their privacy, but it would be better for everyone if the posts were public.

Glad I could help man. What's your method? Maybe I can learn something from you!


I learned this from my natural friend. always wait 2 days for the matches to message you. If she doesn't message...

"hi :)"
she will usually say "hey whats up" or "hey" or "hi"

after that I "cube" her (old mm technique) ask her what her passions are what her interests are, where does she see herself in 5 years, what's her ultimate fantasy?

if I think her responses are stupid I'll just block her. If I like her responses or if she is smoking hot (lol) I will compliment her and get her to this tequila bar down the street from my house. if she is under 21 a coffee shop near my house.

1hr of vibing then I try to bounce her to my house or another spot if she's still a little apprehensive.

Not 100% effective by any means but I'd like to think that I have a decent system down. Some girls I like more than others.


Interesting bit about waiting 2 days to see if she messages you. In my experience, girls that are really interested always contacted me right away. They never waited a few days. Those that waited were a waste of time or took a lot more effort to close. Of your total matches, how many of them actually send you an initial message after 2 days of nothing?

Another thing...I seriously think "hi" or "hey" is complete fucking waste of time.

You: Hi
Her: Hey

Wtf was the point of that? lol

Just get right into it. There's statistics from an OKC study that back this up. "Hi" got less than a 25% response rate, and "hey" got about a 30% response rate. That's fucked. Especially when considering that all these girls swiped you right based on their physical attraction to you. On Tinder, IMO, you should be getting responses from pretty much 80%+ of your matches. I fucked my very first match on Tinder. I'm not even kidding, I have pretty much a 100% response rate (only ones that haven't are recent and they probably will within a few days). A lot of my friends who ask me for help usually send me screenshots with them opening with "hey" and not getting any response. As I mentioned before, I think "hey" is a passive value-sucking pointless opener. Conversely, you can be bring the value with an interesting flirty opener that gets her talking and leads the convo towards a meetup. I would just skip that part althogether and get into it.

I like the cube shit and the questions you're asking. I've found 3 qualifiers to be enough. I do the bare minimum. Sometimes I even do something like this:

Me: Do you wanna play a game? lol   (some guys are very opposed to "lol" or winky faces, but I use them all the time...it helps relax girls and also ensures that stupid girls understand that this isn't serious)
Her: Depends on the game
Me: Well it's basically the questions game, except with multiple choice. I'll go first, then you can ask me, if you want to. #1) red wine or white wine?  #2) comedy or horror? #3) my place or my apt?

They'll usually answer the first 2 questions, then laugh at the 3rd and say some BS about how they're not easy or we're not doing that on the first date. It's fine because we've now set a sexual rhythm without going overboard. At this point they may or may not ask questions of their own. Have fun with that. I usually go back to the 3rd question later and try again from a different angle. I'll say how they owe me one more answer and ask them something else. Usually about music, or interests, or what they like to do for fun. Then I'll re-attempt the 3rd question but this time say something about how we could discuss XYZ interest of theirs over wine. If they still don't go for it, I'll settle for meeting up with them at a bar/restaurant/coffeeshop within walking distance of my apt. I've had a lot of girls agree to meet at my apt after persisting when they originally said no. When they get here, the BS reason we setup the meet at the apt usually doesn't even come up. They know what they're here for.

The other thing I do differently than you is I don't try to screen too hard. If I was looking for something serious, I would. But right now, I'm just looking for casual, so I don't really give a fuck what their opinions and thoughts are on anything. The only thing I screen is physical attractiveness (no whales, no fuglies). I'm pretty much open to anything as long as they're hot. The screening I do is more for their sake because I've found that without it, they're not as comfortable meeting up. For guys looking to actually date girls, I'd recommend more in depth screening, like you do. For guys looking for casual flings or to practice game, just do the bare minimum for her to see you as a real person. Either way, I think it's pretty important that this be done to some extent otherwise it's not as easy to actually meet up (unless the girl is practically throwing herself at you...in which case, just close).

I like your date method. I pretty much do the same. Keeping the sex location in mind is key.
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BeWater

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Fixed2daNines Wrote:
BeWater Wrote:

- 5-10 texts and close
- get the #
- move it off Tinder and onto texting
- set up the meet up
- keep her warm with pointless texts if the date is not for that night or the next night
- double check that she's still good the day before
- check again the day of
- send some logistics texts a few hours before to check again...all this reduces flaking
- meetup with her, have 1 or 2 drinks, then bounce her to the sex location or somewhere else before the sex location if she's not warm enough yet
- always make sure to screen and make sure she's not doing something later that night or early the next day
- othewise your date has a high chance of being cut short and you will most likely not have enough time to fuck

Now seriously...post some screenshots and we'll get the ball rolling on some actual girls instead of all this theory stuff....I'll explain as we go




Nice...our game is pretty similar.  Just went on a tinder date the other night but couldn't get the lay cuz logistics sucked. 

This chick was pretty cool so I plan on seeing her again.  How long do you guys usually wait to hit her up again?  a few days? week?


What was the problem with logistics?

Umm...I hit her up the same night or the next day. Keep her warm. It's no big deal. It's just a continuation of our convo. I've found girls that are really into me do the same. They hit me up the same night or next day.
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