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Why are we so afraid to talk about race and ethnicity when it relates to pickup?
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Tyler

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Ya the Steve Jobs thing is bang on.

The girl whose house I'm typing this from -- who is fucken STUNNING and her was AMAZING when I fucked her 5 mins ago lol -- all her boyfriends have been a minimum of 6'3.

Guess what she says?

(And I'm thinking of getting her to create an account on RSDN cause she loves to talk about this stuff...)

"I'd date even a shorter guy than you, Owen.  But they're all fucking LOSERS.  You're the first short guy I've met who isn't creepy as fuck.  I don't care if a guy is short anymore than most guys care if a girl is short -- a hot guy is a hot guy -- but they're always so low self esteem about it, and then act weird."

Is she exaggerating at every short guy being a loser?  Probably.

But the point remains, the girls are down with short guys / Indian guys / bald guys or whatever, if THEY can be cool about it and not perverted little creeps whose personalities have been tainted by years of insecurity.

When someone tells me "I wish I was was better looking" my interpretation of that is "I wish SOCIETY would give me permission to be a cool guy, cause I can't do it unless I meet society's ideals."

Every "bad looking" guy I've met who complains about his looks is ALWAYS a loser.  They're never ultra chill / cool / bad asses who simply can't get girls.  They're losers.

Meanwhile I have buddies like Manwhore from this forum who are 5'7 and bald, and yet think they're super good looking and get laid.

Ultimately it's great to maximize your fitness and fashion, but beyond that you need to FULLY LET GO of your insecurities.  And speaking of fashion, if you're not dressed your best (say in shitty shorts and a tee shirt on a hot day) you can STILL approach and get laid.

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Lastly, comments this thread raises a great video idea.

Guys see Jeff and I giving props to James Franco in Spring Breakers or Macklemore and think "WTF I don't want to be a WIGGER DOUCHEBAG" -- which is actually understandable.

What they need to learn is to look beneath the surface.  Look deeper.  What emotions are they feeling, where is their awareness (inside or outside of their head), what is their self image, what is their sense of humor and view of life, etc etc.

Don't copy their surface level behaviour.  Or mine, or any PUA's.  You gotta be YOU.  Look deeper at the underlying principles of successful dudes' behaviours.

Tyler
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Tyler

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PickupArtistmaster I think what you're saying is fair.

If you feel that you need to approach more -- BUT YOU YOU ARE ACTUALLY DOING IT -- that's all good.

Any guy who is out gaming, getting laid, and just says "Ya I'm out here making shit happen, I just gotta try harder, but I'm getting it done..." that's FULLY cool by my standards lol.

The dudes who are like "No it's all looks so I'm not gonna even TRY AT ALL" to me are the epitome of pathetic.  But if you're out there banging the guns hard and getting some results, all good.

Just keep in mind that with the really hot girls, they don't care as much as you might think.  The hotter the girl, the less they give a shit about looks cause they already bring that into the genetic equation, and are looking for an alphamale who knows how to be a boss and make shit happen.

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PickupArtistMaster

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what I don't understand is how quick for you to jump into the conclusions that, just because I believe my looks matter, automatically makes me a "loser" who limits himself approaching women. That's the commom conclusion this company and it's users jump to. 

i do not consider myself a loser at all, and I approach as much women as the next guy. And yes, i still believe that I have to WORK HARDER than the typical good looking guy. (it's moreso about acknowledging the truth rather than limiting myself from approaching). 

Does it mean that looks don't matter? HELL No, it's moreso about accepting the truth and accepting your race/height/etc (being more difficult all else equal) and persevering despite that. That is my POINT. i wasn't speaking in black and white(LEIKE OMG lookz matter therefore i should stop approaching and kill myself), that's not what i am saying. 

and no, that's because i believe looks/race/etc matter doesn't mean i'm insecure at all, it just means it's more difficult to pickup chicks if you have those variables. HELL, i love being asian, i love being short and i'm not insecure at all, it just means that It's more difficult for us to game chicks relative to other guys, that's all. My sub-coms or self esteem or insecurity is unaffected because accepting/acknowledging the truth doesn't mean insecurity/sub-com/self esteem problems.

my core confidence is still there, i still approach women, and i acknowledge the truth.  i post in 5-6 other PUA company websites(older than rsdnation) and this company is the only site that has "looks dont matter" sales pitches.(shit, i would have a specific sales pitch too if majority of my target demographic are nerdy asian/white/indian dudes and believe me, in lair meetings, that's the majority of the target demographic)

Anyway tyler, thanks for letting me post my opinion on here and not letting the mods ban me yet. I really mean well in my posts and wasn't intended to post negativity or hate.

Tyler wrote:
Ya the Steve Jobs thing is bang on.

The girl whose house I'm typing this from -- who is fucken STUNNING and her was AMAZING when I fucked her 5 mins ago lol -- all her boyfriends have been a minimum of 6'3.

Guess what she says?

(And I'm thinking of getting her to create an account on RSDN cause she loves to talk about this stuff...)

"I'd date even a shorter guy than you, Owen.  But they're all fucking LOSERS.  You're the first short guy I've met who isn't creepy as fuck.  I don't care if a guy is short anymore than most guys care if a girl is short -- a hot guy is a hot guy -- but they're always so low self esteem about it, and then act weird."

Is she exaggerating at every short guy being a loser?  Probably.

But the point remains, the girls are down with short guys / Indian guys / bald guys or whatever, if THEY can be cool about it and not perverted little creeps whose personalities have been tainted by years of insecurity.

When someone tells me "I wish I was was better looking" my interpretation of that is "I wish SOCIETY would give me permission to be a cool guy, cause I can't do it unless I meet society's ideals."

Every "bad looking" guy I've met who complains about his looks is ALWAYS a loser.  They're never ultra chill / cool / bad asses who simply can't get girls.  They're losers.

Meanwhile I have buddies like Manwhore from this forum who are 5'7 and bald, and yet think they're super good looking and get laid.

Ultimately it's great to maximize your fitness and fashion, but beyond that you need to FULLY LET GO of your insecurities.  And speaking of fashion, if you're not dressed your best (say in shitty shorts and a tee shirt on a hot day) you can STILL approach and get laid.

--

Lastly, comments this thread raises a great video idea.

Guys see Jeff and I giving props to James Franco in Spring Breakers or Macklemore and think "WTF I don't want to be a WIGGER DOUCHEBAG" -- which is actually understandable.

What they need to learn is to look beneath the surface.  Look deeper.  What emotions are they feeling, where is their awareness (inside or outside of their head), what is their self image, what is their sense of humor and view of life, etc etc.

Don't copy their surface level behaviour.  Or mine, or any PUA's.  You gotta be YOU.  Look deeper at the underlying principles of successful dudes' behaviours.

Tyler
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i know an asian guy from thailand who's a boss. he lives in Ko Phagan island and fucks girls from all over the world all the time. 
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crazy asian wrote:
That asian guy in the yellow fever video:
He's a really good speaker, but all the interactions with the girls were so fake and calculated holy shity.
Reminds me of mystery method.
You gotta at least admit his interaction with the girl at 4:00 was really solid. I thought he did a good job passing the shit test and you could tell she was becoming really attracted to him.

His nickname is Grandma BTW. Here's an interview he did a while back on a podcast where he talks about the race issue:
http://www.pick-up-artist-forum.com/free-podcast-grandma-the-korean-pua-...
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SexyMachine

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Couple things about these looks matter threads.

Tyler steps up and posts some quality shit.

And, all the trolls scurry out from under the rocks, so I know who to ignore.
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PickupArtistMaster

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Tyler wrote:
PickupArtistmaster I think what you're saying is fair.

If you feel that you need to approach more -- BUT YOU YOU ARE ACTUALLY DOING IT -- that's all good.

Any guy who is out gaming, getting laid, and just says "Ya I'm out here making shit happen, I just gotta try harder, but I'm getting it done..." that's FULLY cool by my standards lol.

The dudes who are like "No it's all looks so I'm not gonna even TRY AT ALL" to me are the epitome of pathetic.  But if you're out there banging the guns hard and getting some results, all good.

Just keep in mind that with the really hot girls, they don't care as much as you might think.  The hotter the girl, the less they give a shit about looks cause they already bring that into the genetic equation, and are looking for an alphamale who knows how to be a boss and make shit happen.

Tyler
agreed agreed agreed

wow, this is probably the best post i've seen in this thread

yes, those "no it's all looks so i'm not even gonna try at all" are faggots i agree... and i'm definitely not one of those guys.  

I'm more of the guy like this.....   "no it's not all about game, but yet i'm not going to deny that looks/race/height/etc matter but I WILL give it my best anyway" 

people are quick to jump into conclusions. That's because i believe looks matter doesn't mean i'm insecure, or a faggot, or not approach at all. It just means i acknowledge it and accept it as true, but yet approach and go out anyway. 

this is where  me and a bunch of fanboys havev a big misunderstanding
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SexyMachine wrote:
Couple things about these looks matter threads.

Tyler steps up and posts some quality shit.

And, all the trolls scurry out from under the rocks, so I know who to ignore.


hey man, to each his own

and yes, tyler does post a lot of quality shit. 

I'm the exception to guys who believe looks matter because I actually go and and approach anyway despite believing that it's true. 
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]Actually the real issue here is that you're someone of middling intellect and can't understand the nuances of any argument I put forth.  I went to a top 15 college, top 15 law school, interviewed at the federal reserve board, SEC, top 10 corporate law firm in the country, etc. and you're someone who can barely follow an argument.  It really doesn't matter what I say because you simply can't understand anything I'm saying no matter how much I dumb it down for you.  The problem is you're too stupid to understand just how stupid you are.


 This isn't a DICK wagging competition you fucking retard. Nobody gives a shit about your accomplishments other than you. If you truely believe i misunderstand your points, then so be it. 

judging from your post, you are nothing but a "know it all egotistical faggot". read my previous posts. 

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I'm a pua vampire, I melt during the daytime, daygame scares the shit out of me.  So fucking what?  What does maximizing any advantage I have refute what I said about how looks aren't that important?  Looks also aren't that important in a job interview, your resume, ability to present yourself well, and the rapport you build with the interviewer are far more important but that doesn't mean you should show up in your pajamas with your hair unkempt and having not brushed your teeth.  If buying a nice suit or a nice tie helps you, even if it's trivial, i don't see why you wouldn't do it.  How would my insecurity about my age during daygame throw my credibility out the window?  Your insistence on playing these "gotcha" games in lieu of any rational argument about the merits of your position just make you seem even stupider than you are.  


it's not about maximizing any advantages, it's moreso about you being insecure about your age. Seriously, who the fuck is insecure about age at 30? (especially if you are asian)

how does your insecurity about daygame throw your credibility out the window? It's because you claimed that looks are #5 when it comes to attracting women, yet you can't even approach a fuking chick during day game without putting on an anti-age cream. LOL If you don't understand what I mean, then you need to take asperger pills. 

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You still haven't answered the question: how many lays have you had in your life?  


PM me your email, and i will provide you photos, pictures, etc. I will make sure i blot out my face and have original pictures (untraceable from google image searches). How many lays? I have no fucking clue, i stopped keeping track

stop being off topic. I'm probably the only person calling you out for being a "know it all" egotistical faggot who like to go on dick wagging ego competitions.

ROFL LMFAO
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Let's all admit it, this is stereotyping.

It's not about the race or the color of the skin or the cultural background.

It's about being comfortable of yourself.

It's about being able to carry out a conversation despite the first strike of racial reaction.

People tend to react to how you treat them and how confident you are about who you are.
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