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March 29th, 2017
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#21

Getmoneyfuckbitches

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 Day 18 of 30DC

Alex Hotseat-  

Hit up Alex hotseat.  Pretty awesome event and I got a bunch of notes I"ll post.  

Bonus day tomorrow.

Alex showed us videos of how he pulled girls, including video of a bathroom pull.

The main takeaway was nothign he did was impressive, he literally just chatted with the girls.  

Also learned the importance of staying in set despite the reactions girls give you.   4 Times Rule too.

I'm really tired right now so I"m going to post my full notes tomorrow.  Suffice to say, I learned a lot and had a major paradigm shift in how I view the game.



Went out to Maddys tonight.  Applied what  I learned.  

Me and a friend started talking to two Asian girl.  Applying Natural Instincts Method and not being that physical, just some hi gives, quick hand around shoulder, basically physical rapport.  

My girl has a wobbly leg thats weird as fuck like she likes she is fucking drunk even though verbally she sounds sober.

Also she wants alcohol.  Says shes underage and is too afraid to get it.  Told her I dont buy girls drinks but that I could buy her a drink if she gave me the money.

Yeah I"m cheap.  I apply to Tylers thinking, Im not  gonna buy a drink unless its absolute necessary.  This is just a girl I was talking to for 5 minutes. 

Anyways, its still going well, but she still keeps bringing up the drink, I tell her she should get a random guy to buy her it.  My wing sees this and gives me money to buy me and her a drink so I"m like cool, free beer.  I guess he say she was stuck on that.  I didn't care either way, her wobbliness was weird.

Get her the drink and she gets even more wobbly lol.  I'm really finding it weird, and then she goes to the bathroom and then randomly walks off to another direction.   I decide to let my other wing in with her cause she's weird as fuck.  She's stumbling like a completely drunk person, and doesn't seem secure enough to tell me what was happening.  

I go on with my night.  Talk to a group of girls with BroilerBroom, who calls me out for not meditating.  Yeah, all I've been doing is the 15 min on the subway last couple of days due to lack of sleep as well as no time.  I regret drinking the beer because its made me slightly tipsy and I know its not good for my mental headspace in the long term.  Yeah, one beer doesn't seem like much, but I need to get back into the perfectionist habits that make me feel good.   Anyways the interaction is going pretty well, I'm just being friendly with minimal physicality.  The girls want to go outside though, so I make a note of reapproaching them later.  One of them is really hot and I do a good job of just chatting her up.  I'm enough.  Alex's hotseat took the pressure off me massively because I now I nkow that just staying in set and saying random bullshit works.  

I do reapproach them sitting outside, and now there's a third girl in the middle who's rolling her eyes at me.  I feel very uncomfortable but I stick in keep talking for way longer than usual, like 3 times more than I would(probably like 10 minutes).  I should have stayed in longer, but I'll keep working on that lol.  It was pretty hard to stay in set while these girls basically showed no IOIs.  I need to be able to stay an hour in sets like these, after seeing Alex with this one crazy swedish chick who just kept shit testing him massively.  

Me and a wing start chatting up a couple of girls, and a cute tall girl comes in that I say hi to.  Talk to them for a while and they leave.

See the tall girl later and try to stop her but she doens't.  Me and Kahlua guard the door but no luck finding any chicks we chatted up earlier.  I talk up a girls outside who are cold as fuck but I keep talking until they leave.  I was slowly starting to turn one girl around but her friend was a massive bitch.  

Go outside and I see this one guy from hotseat with 3 girls.  Walk with them for 10 minutes, but the two girls I"m talking to are completely non-compliant to physicality while being verbally friendly if shit-testy.  I leave them at my bus stop because the wind chill is 33 F and I'm wearing a v neck and a button down.  Fuck freezing for some chicks who won't even hi five me.  

Going to crash and get 5 hours of sleep for tomorrow.  So fucking tired lol.  


Lessons-
-4 times rule.
-Stay in set for a long fucking time, as long as the girls don't tell you to fuck off.  If they're still there you're doing fine.
-Keep opening the same way I usually do, chill openers don't work that well for me cause they keep on walking.  
-Brush and lead, practice it. 
-No more drinking until my buddy leaves for Van city in late may or early june.   I can feel the lower consiousness creeping back in cause of lack of sleep, lack of meditation, alcohol, and eating shitty over the last couple of days.  
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 Day 19 of 30DC

Hit up the Alex hotseat bonus day.  Fucking awesome and it clarified a lot of stuff on AMOGs, physicality, end game, day game, etc.  

His last video was pretty amazing.  Smoothly and non-impressively pulled a stunning girl who's also a dental student.  Nothing he did is hard for anyone with a decent amount of social skills.  

Went home and then went out at 1 am.'

Hit up a nightclub.  

Walk in and its loud as fuck.  Way louder than usual.

Try to casually open a girls and figure out this is not an enviornment for that.  Hard Tyler/Julien style opens and then transition to a chilled interaction.  Otherwise the girls will keep walking and you wont have a chance to interact.

Go out to the smoking area, figuring it'd be easy to talk there.  



Open three girls about how cold its in Canada.  One of them says "you should be on keys to the VIP".  I don't really pay much attention to this, figure its just a standard shit test. Chat for a sec, and that same girl then says "you are boring me, you need to leave"(like I'm a fucking comedian for her personal service).  

I tell her "Oh yeah, Im a single child so I'm bad at talking to girls"(from hotseat).  She says the same shit again, I try to not react and keep talking.  Anyways, she keeps on being a bitch, and tells me to leave, I tell her I can stand here if I want to and you can leave if you want.  She's being a cunt, I'm not moving my ground.  Also, I didn't meditate much over the last 3-4 days  so I was reactive as compared to normal.  Anyways her fat friend is actually the nicest in the group and tries to defuse the situation because she could tell I was getting pissed off by her retarded friend.  I leave, I walk in the club and I"m fucking rattled.  Idk why, I guess I was all in a "girls are nice creatures" mood after seeing Alex's hotseat, and having this girl be a when I was trying to be genuinely friendly and nice just sucked(But was a good reality check).  I can see why Alex hated Malin(the swedish girl).  Its easy to take bitchy girls in stride when you are running Tyler/Julien game since you know you're going in aggresive and somewhat assholish and its expected some will freak out.  

Anyways, I'm really rattled and I just feel massive waves of anger and emotion.  I probably haven't felt so bad after in an interaction after a long time because I was actually trying to being empathetic as opposed to running aggresive game in which case the blowouts don't feel real.  

Just try to relax myself.  Do more approaches, but I go in aggresive as fuck and just plough hard because I'm not relaxed.  I struggle to have fun in a club with amazing music and lights that I usually love.

Decide to keep pushing because I know I'll experience massive growth if I get through.  Keep doing approaches, and mostly get blown out.

Approach some girl and offer to walk her through the door but she doesn't want to.  I should have insisted.

Gaurd the door at end of night, approach some girl with a hi five. At this point I'm calmed down and I'm just cool with the mental headspace I'm in(congruency, and I am enough no matter what).  

Talk to her for a sec.  She keeps walking.  Her friend is talking to a guy, I reapproach.  She gives me a cig(we're still inside) so I presume she wants to smoke.  Talk to her while waiting for her friend.  Some guy comes in, I should have said hi but I didn't.  He whisks her away back in and I don't see her again.  

Its weird, even at the end of a completely shitty night, after watching Alex's hotseat and calming/relaxing a slight amount(I was still in a pretty negative mindset but I was cool with it and not beating myself up), I still ended up being relaxed around an attractive girl(easy 8) with no issues.  There's no reason why you are not enough is such a powerful fucking principle.  Entitlement = Bullshit, you are enough for all girls.  

End up going home happy that I pushed it even while being in a horrible mindset.  I know I need to get back on my meditation ASAP cause a girl being a should not fuck up my nhight like that.

Lessons-

-I am enough even when I feel like shit.  
-Meditate to remain non reactive.
-4 Times Rule.
-More intensity and physicality in a louder club to get the girl to stop and interact with you.  I can see why Tyler's game is so much more intense.  
-Water under the bridge, don't dwell on a bitchy girl.  I don't even know why that affected me because I have been blown out so many hundreds of times. 
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 Day 20 of 30DC

Go downtown for some late evening/early night daygame.

Approach a couple of girls at Spadina and Bloor, alex indirect method.  The first one, somebody called her so that got cut short, the second one was short but a good warm up.

Hit up Spaceman and we wing each other in the dundas area.  Have a few quick interactions.  

We talk to three black chicks who are like 5s, its great to get the social juices flowing.



Spaceman approaches two girls, the hot one is right near me so I start engaging her.  After NIM I'm way more comfortable talking about anything I want.  She tells me she's from Australia and I ask her if she's ever ridden in a Kangaroo's pouch.  Starting to make her comfortable but her friend wants to leave.

We hit up two cute short girls who just got off work in the subway station.  

I'm doing a good job until the train comes at which point I turn away from her and gawk at the train cause its incredibly packed.  I think this makes her feel awkward and she says bye and walks down the platform.  My bad.  

Lessons
-I need to have better eye contact, my eye contact was weak today.
-Longer sets, figure out ways to keep them there(easy to do if I keep talking, and ask if I can walk them down the street, etc.).  If it goes past 5-10 minutes there's a good chance of an insta-date or solid number.  
-Focus on making the girl comfortable the first 4 minutes, then start being more expressive/edgy.

I head to my new pad to clean it up . Staying there with M-star and firefx2

I'm going to go meditate now.  
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 Day 21 of 30DC

Hit up the high end Tues spot.

Me and a wing start chatting to two oldre girls from Montreal in their 30s, they are 6s.  We stay in for 10 min, but then leave to talk to hotter girls.  We see them at the end of the night but they are being pulled by other guys.  

Approach a good number of girls but I'm in my head and I'm constantly reminding myself that "There's no reason I'm not enough"".  Environmental hypnosis bullshit, every time I'm here there's either playboy models or some other famous people here, this time the Maple leafs were here.  This keeps going on until the end of the night, when I start hooking sets more and I just ease into relaxation.  



The funniest part of the night was when I opened this fatty who had hot friends.  I kept my hands behind my back to make sure she doesn't start chasing, but gawdammit she starts chasing... Fuck lol  Iwas hoping she'd intro me to her friends but she wants me for herself.  Gay as fuck and lesson learned, next time approach a cute girl in the group and then befriend everyone else.  I had try to approach the cuter girls but had gotten blown out but I wasn't persistent enough(4 times rule). 

Another interaction that was going decently were two mixed looking girls(black and white).  I'm doing fine with mine, but I can tell I'm still trying to impress her instead of accepting I"m enough.  My wing leaves his girl, I stay talking to my girl for a bit but then leave.  Should have stayed in.  Most important rule of NIM- stay in fucking set.  

Lessons-

1. Environmental Hypnosis- Accept its bullshit, and do 4-5 quick approaches on hotteis to get over it.
2.  Approach the hottest girls in the club, I did approach some hotties(notably this one girl with huge fake tits lol) but I need to keep approaching them.
3.  Stay in set, even if my wing leaves, and engage both girls.  
4. I'm enough, even in a place like this.  Take the neccesary steps to relax myself(a few quick approaches on hotties) and remind myself that there's no reason I"m not enough.

I've noticed that I've been kind of apathetic towards everything the last couple of days.  Going to watch Tyler's success vids to get me into a good headspace.  
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 nice insights....good luck on your journey.
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Getmoneyfuckbitches wrote:
Day 21 of 30DC

this time the Maple leafs were here
omg no way!! tell me more about how they had numerous dime pieces in their arms until 7 minutes before closing time where they lost them all to guys who are shorter, poorer and less swole
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@BerlinCity

Thanks man.  

 @Spaceman

Lol, I knew you'd get a kick out of that.  I didn't really know who they were, but my friends did.  

Day 22 of 30DC

Today is Wednesday night, where I go to this hipster bar.

Like most nights here, I don't really have fun the first half of the night cause the music sucks and I"m apathetic.  After Bloke and 4th, the girls in here don't provide the same stimulation.  

I focus on staying in set and applying the Natural Instincts Method.


The first set, she's a 6.5.  Her friend knows my friend from school.  I chat her up, self amuse, tell stories, don't put pressure on myself, do some hugs as physical rapport.  I keep talking to her for 15-20 minutes and then she says she has to leave to tlak to one of her friends.  She was slowly starting to get drawn in my world.  I expected to see her later and did see her on the street but I was taking to a friend.  Hoewver, she was leaving, I thought she was just out for a smoke break and that I could reapproach her.  Turned around and she was gone.  Should have reapproached her earlier, or when she was at her table of friends.  I need to learn to be comfortable with large groups, and learn to work with them as Alex does.  

Chatted up some Italian girl really quickly, hugged her quickly and she actually seemed to be super into me(ie super compliant to my physicality).  I fucked up when she said she had to find her friends.  I should have just been like "introduce me, I want to meet new people".  Didn't see her again the whole night... Gay.

I talked to some fat chick for like 5 seconds, and then got the makeout and walked away.  Everytime at this venue I seem to just do that for the shit of it.  This time the girl was a bit cuter and I could feel movement in my dick lol.  Maybe I should have tried to pull her to the alley for head lol.  Probably will leave that for a drunk night.

Later talked to a cute blonde with her friends.  She was sitting down and I was standing up.  She was super friendly and by the time she had to leave(around 10 min into the convo) I was convinced she had a boyfriend.  However, I should have still confirmed with her because it might be possible she's just confident.  Need to remember to use Alex's screening method for boyfriends.  

Tonight was pretty decent.  Some longer conversations.  Starting to apply the Natural Instincts Method and stay in set and talk for longer period of time than usual.  

Lessons-
-Screen for boyfriend
-When a girl says she has to go find her friends, go with her and ask her to introduce you to them.
-Reapproach a girl even when she's in her big group, and be friendly with everyone.  Alex Hotseat, be the chatty social guy.  
-Go for makeouts with hotter girls for the fuck of it to put myself into a party mood and relax myself.  
- I think a mix of Tyler's Six Steps to relax myself and remind myself that I'm enough, and then Natural Instincts Method and long interactions when I"m relaxed would help my nights make awesome.  I didn't approach enough in the beginning as I should have.  
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#28

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yoo whatup dude, your goals are actually very similar to mine hahaha.......
good luck and keep it up! i love these posts and it's great to see a guy on his journey.
by SEO what do you mean? affiliate marketing? or do you sell your own product. i'm also starting up in this online business and so I'm trying to learn the ropes
dude did you try article marketing? for me that's a really quick way to make money on the side...
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orangeohjay wrote:
yoo whatup dude, your goals are actually very similar to mine hahaha.......
good luck and keep it up! i love these posts and it's great to see a guy on his journey.
by SEO what do you mean? affiliate marketing? or do you sell your own product. i'm also starting up in this online business and so I'm trying to learn the ropes
dude did you try article marketing? for me that's a really quick way to make money on the side...

I sell SEO services to other SEOs.  Its going alright, I've made around 190 in profit over the last 4-5 days, so basically 40-45 bucks a day right now.  Trying to get to 100 a day ASAP. 
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 Day 23 of 30DC

Hit up Maddys and get there very late at 12:30.  As usual I cut line and get in within 5 minutes when there's a line of hundreds of people who don't know the secret spot to cut line and get in quick.  5 dollars with a free drink so I have a beer and then a Gin and tonic later in the night.  Basically I was buzzed throughout the night but not drunk.  I hate how they have the drink with cover though, makes it very hard to resist drinking here on Thursdays.  

Very hard time warming up, high five some girl as first interaction of night.  Chode around the RSD crew for a bit.  Firefx2 shows up with some Asian fob who's like a 6 and from Japan and throws her on me to warm up.



I spend way too much with her, like 45 minutes.  Its good training in terms of staying in set though.  Since she's Japanese I have to mainly lead the convo and self amuse myself.  Throw in some hugs in there too as physical rapport.  Her friend comes, and she goes to the bathroom with her, didn't bother her getting her number though since I wouldn't day 2, although I would be down for ONS if I see her again.  Didn't see her again, and I got the vibe she wasn't down for an ONS either(she was pretty sober).  

After that, me and firefx2 hit up some more girls.  Two girls sititng down and one of them shittests me hard.  I try to keep my center, but she's like "Is this your first time in a bar, you don't just go up to a stranger and start a conversation".  I start getting slightly reactive, and she can see that... Fuck, gotta keep reminding myeslf the only reason girls say retarded shit is because they have nothing else to say and are insecure.  They leave their chairs cause I refuse to leave lol.  

We hit up a few other girls but we don't stick in like we should.... 4 times rule, gotta remember that.

Street game, we start walking with these two asian girls outside brunny.  My girl has a bf so I"m winging firefx2.  Walk with them pretty far, spent like 25-30 min with them but FireFx2 couldn't his girls number.  Pretty awesome because we really stuck in there.

Really starting to stay in set and have LONG interactions.  Need to do this with girls I want to go on dates with(7s and up).  The girls we walked were cute but my girl had a boyfriend.  

Lessons-
-Don't emotionally react to girls shit tests.  If a girl says something truly retarded, she's saying that because she has nothing else to say and its a natural biological and emotional response.  Basically, be happy when girls shittest you(cause she sees you as potentially attractive) and don't take it personally.  
-More physicality.  I'm on erring on the safe side but I need more dynamic physicality to build physical rapport.
-Verbally tell the girl what I like about her.  Alex does this a lot.
-Link hands with the girl when walking .  I need to implement this on my street sets.  
-Hit up the hottest girls, tonight I was way into my comfort zone instead of going for the hottest girls.
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