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Anti Cool

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I read somewhere that you recommended boxig as a practical way to introduce yourelf in self defense. This makes sense to me, as  knocking someone out seems the best and fastest way to end quickly a potentially dangerous situation. What else should I know in case of learning this or other fighting discipline?

edit: also, the reason I'm asking this is that there is a boxing club gym very well known in my area.
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Durr

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WING CHUN > BOXING LOLOLOLOL


What you should know is that you should spend less time asking pointless questions on the Internet, and more time finding cheap or free boxing lessons in your area to start you off.
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Anti Cool

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Durr wrote:
WING CHUN > BOXING LOLOLOLOL


What you should know is that you should spend less time asking pointless questions on the Internet, and more time finding cheap or free boxing lessons in your area to start you off.
Yeah, it's worth noting though  that I don't expect to be doing dick waving contests just need something practical against bullies and assholes.
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streetfightsecrets com/ check his YouTube channel trackers too.Also Geoff Thompson.
And nononsenseselfdefense com
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sentry303

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if it's on YouTube it must be badass
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 That wing chun video is bad ass, that guy is an incredibly lethal fighter I'm impressed. But you also have to understand he's been training for 15+ years, but the dude trying to throw punches at him (btw his boxing is horrible) has probably less than two months of training in boxing. He was seriously amateur in how he was throwing those punches, shifting his weight way too far forward with each hit and totally putting himself at the wing chun guy's mercy. Very lopsided demonstration. Actually hold on I just rewatched it, it's not that he shifted his weight too far forward, it's that he completely opened himself up to be hit after every hit he threw. So it looks like he's actually probably a decent boxer, he's just opening himself up on purpose for demonstration purposes.  

Anyways, boxing is great because as being a "top tier" martial art, (e.g. super effective) it's the fastest to learn and be able to start implementing. I think the best kind of training to start with, would be an actual mma coach, not purely a bjj guy or a boxing guy, as this would be a guy who could teach you when and how to strike AS you were taking a guy down to the ground in control. Just your basic "ground and pound" (which is a combination of grappling and striking) can start and finish a fight in thirty seconds. I can think of at least five street fights off the top of my head where that's how I controlled and ended the fight. 

But mma coaches are hard to find, so what you'd end up doing is doubling the length of time of your training as you'd be taking boxing and bjj classes. And bjj can take quite a while to get a guy to a point where he could actually effectively use it in a fight. So boxing it is.

Personally I don't do as much group training anymore, it's just not as effective as private training. I was getting trained by the boxing coach at Wanderlei Silva's gym, but that only lasted a month and a half until he just couldn't seem to hold the business side of things together on his end (probably why he was so ridiculously cheap). Then I started training with this Nevada college national champion. Damn.. this guy has no huge coaching name/brand, is just hungry for work and to make his mark as a coach. Gawdamn does he lead intense and ridiculously fast-paced training. He's turned my counter-punching from an absolute zero to like a 5 or a 6 out of 10, in two weeks of training.

And that's the point.. it's amazing how simple boxing is. You can become effective very quickly. Everyone should be doing it. I was even going to start trying to train Owen in boxing except I stopped being around enough to get it going. 
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Master Wong seems pretty bad ass. But.....

It´s always the same thing in these demonstrations, the guy doesnt go full speed and they tell beforehand what the next move, that way it isnt too hard to emply fancy moves.

The real demonstration would be to set a decently experienced MMA fighter against master Wong  with protective gear (it just demonstration, not a real fight so nobody wants to get hurt) and have them fight like a real fight, with full speed shots, fake moves,etc. Then we would a real idea of what the said martial art can provide.

I wouldn´t take my chances against master Wong myself, but still...

At the Muay Thai gym we do practice some techniques that I don´t object to doing them just for the sake of being not the annoying guy but I know there´s a very unlikely chance (to avoid saying impossible) that you can actually use for real, things just happen too quick to actually use it.
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 I am instructor in Wing Tsun and I think that this video is fucking bullshit. You got to make some steps to get out of the line of the attack and there is no point of using your elbows to block the other guys punches,because you need them to  protect your rips.... 
If you tipe in youtube sifu Bagalev BlitzDefence 2010 BNT Stadion.wmv you will find a great video demonstration
This is a video of my sifu (teacher) demonstrating Blitz Defence - this is a system using wing tsun principles to respond to the most common attacks in the street. I am sorry that the audio is on bulgarian, but he shows it pretty slow so I hope it will be useful :)
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I'm a huge believer in bjj because if you don't know grappling, you're a fish out of water against somebody that does even if they're bigger.
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Martial Arts evolve. It's less and less popular to focus on one discipline. Similar to professional MMA fighters. If you have the chance I would do some cross training with boxing (as stand-up base), then Brazilian Jiu Jitsu for ground game and general MMA (wrestling) for transitions and keep it together.

If you ask specifically about boxing it seems to be the best stand up discipline, Muai Thai is also very effective as you use your legs and knees. Don't know that much about eastern martial arts, I train Karate for some time but their training methods weren't very effective (lack of sparing etc.). Chinese martial arts seems to be good for street fighting.
If you have some MMA school I would recommend this, as you will learn every aspect of fighting.
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 Lol at that wing chung guy.


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Anyone can look like a master in demonstration videos like that. Not saying the guy isn't good but unless I see a Wing Chung guy in a real fight against another trained fighter I am not sold on it. This is why before MMA people thought kung fu fighers and "black belts" were killing machines and fights were like they are in the movies. Little did they know that these guys were worthless pretenders living in a fantasy along with the rest of the ignorants.


Boxing, Wrestling, Muay Thai, Jiu Jitsu, Kick Boxing, Judo, and maybe Shotokan (Machida only)

Why are these Martial Arts so dominant while esoteric bullshit like animal style kung fu, TKD, capoera, etc are not? Because they train in real life sparring sessions full contact with a fully resisting opponent. These other arts, at least the McDojos in America, do not. And if they do they have some inane rules that degenerate the martial art into nothing more than a useless dance. MMA exposed this decades ago.

On Topic: Boxing is probably the best striking art in a self defense situation. Fuck wing chung and any other flowery martial art.  Kicks are risky in a street fight unless you are very well trained. Plus if you're wearing tight pants or anything restrictive then it makes things worse for kicks. Go with boxing. And i'd also suggest BJJ.
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