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is clean eating required?
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ygbuhn

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Here is what I can tell you. Eating a lot of fruits, nuts, veggies helped me with life.
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Try for yourself and go by your own experience?
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One of the greatest bodybuilders ever ate mcdonalds every single day for years..... CT Fletcher. Just get to the gym, and get the protein in. Matters what your goals are. Not recomended for athletes though lol
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 The thing with processed junk food is a lot of it has high sodium

So IMO you can eat whatever you want as long as everything is in check (below 2500 mg of sodium per day, caloric defict and macros) that with popping up a multi or protein shake should be enough for all your nutritious needs
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itstheday wrote:
One of the greatest bodybuilders ever ate mcdonalds every single day for years..... CT Fletcher. Just get to the gym, and get the protein in. Matters what your goals are. Not recomended for athletes though lol
CT Fletcher had open heart surgery because of that shit. Also, that's a moot point because he was not eating within his macros at all. 
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G-Money wrote:

itstheday wrote:
One of the greatest bodybuilders ever ate mcdonalds every single day for years..... CT Fletcher. Just get to the gym, and get the protein in. Matters what your goals are. Not recomended for athletes though lol
CT Fletcher had open heart surgery because of that shit. Also, that's a moot point because he was not eating within his macros at all. 
Open heart surgey because of the roids he was taking, not McDonalds. 

Also people need to realize eating McDonalds doesn't make you fat, eating a caloric surplus makes you fat.

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therebellion wrote:
 the forums at bodybuilding.com said it wasn't

that I just have to stay under maintenance and watch my macros but i can eat dirty as long as I do that..

I'm kinda confused? anybody get lean that way?

in reguards to body composition, it is not nessicary to ''eat clean'', how ever, ''hitting your macros'' is what is important

your comment makes the assumption though, that this somehow implies ''hitting your macros'' can be achieved by eating anything,
just try getting
-at least 1g protein per lb LBM
-at least 0.5g fat per lb LBM while keeping your overall intake under 40%
getting the male RDA of 37g fibre and hitting all your micro nutrient RDA's

try doing the above without eating any ''clean foods''  while still meeting your caloric target, you will find op you are going to be eating a lot more ''clean foods'' to hit those macros then you might think and when you are not you are going to need supplementation to meet those macros and RDA's
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eating mcdonalds is unhealthy as fuck, the vast majority of their food is processed with GMO, and contains assloads of high fructose corn syrup and hydronated oils, eating mcdonalds doesn't make you fat caloric surplus does... O'RYL... that's great

eating mcdonalds promotes cancer and heart disease due to the chemical treatment half their food recieves during processing, there is a reason health concious people avoid transfats  like the plauge and on top of that fructose can not be converted into muscle glycogen, when liver glycogen achieves compensation, lipogenesis occurs and that results in fat storage, so the shit tier quality of the carbohydrates that make up a high volume of mcdonalds food (HFCS) will mostly become stored in adipose tissue once consumed, and there is often plenty of carbs per meal to supercompensate your liver, and the first thing to be used by your body once in a defecit is not adipose, it is glycogen... so mcdonalds infact does make you fat, because it is a shit tier food source and lacks micro nutrients, but you are somewhat correct, if you are in a large deficit below BMR it won't matter, but good luck with that, 1 medium big mac meal is worth 1400 kcal, and for most guys that's going to surely be over half their daily BMR
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G-Money wrote:

itstheday wrote:
One of the greatest bodybuilders ever ate mcdonalds every single day for years..... CT Fletcher. Just get to the gym, and get the protein in. Matters what your goals are. Not recomended for athletes though lol
CT Fletcher had open heart surgery because of that shit. Also, that's a moot point because he was not eating within his macros at all. 
Open heart surgey because of the roids he was taking, not McDonalds. 

Also people need to realize eating McDonalds doesn't make you fat, eating a caloric surplus makes you fat.

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CANM wrote:
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Required to look good? Hell no. (see: Zyzz, unhealthy as fuck but aesthetic)

Required to be "healthy" and at your sharpest mentally? I don't know for sure. If you go by books like the Ultramind Solution, then yes. But honestly I've heard so many conflicting arguments regarding what "clean" eating really is that it's just confusing as fuck.

You can eat whatever the fuck you want (as long as you hit your macros) and lose/gain whatever you want. Rule of thumb being a -500 deficit for cutting, +500 surplus for bulking and bw/g+ in protein at all times. That's it. You can literally eat McDonalds everyday, make sure you don't go over your calorie goal, get your protein, lift and you would end up losing weight and getting a six pack.
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God I fucking cringe when I see this myth being spread. 
ATTENTION: 1G/LB PROTEIN IS UTTER BULLSHIT. cutting or bulking, doesnt matter.

Too much protein is heavy on your liver and most protein sources aren't great for overall health (not necessarily bad, just not exceptionally healthy). Not to mention it is too expensive.

Do some fucking research before spreading lies. Protip: there has not been a single reputable study that has shown any benefit of eating more than 0.63g/lb of protein unless you are on heavy doses of testosterone or a genetic freak. 
http://mennohenselmans.com/the-myth-of-1glb-optimal-protein-intake-for-b...

In regards to OP, bodybuilding.com isn't exactly a great source for this stuff. I'd recommend catalystathletics, Tnation or just buy a few books and read up on the subject.
Also, the terms "clean" and "dirty" bulking are incredibly ambiguous. Some people mean how much extra caloric intake you have, some people mean how healthy the food is. "Healthy" is incredibly subjective and arguable with tons of scientific contradictions. 
If you wanna align your goals with PU too, obviously food that is more rich in vitamins and 'good' fats and complex carbs, etc is the way to go for mental clarity and overall fitness. At the same time, I know how hard it is to get 3K+ Cal eating 'healthy' foods. Unless you are at the pro level, you honestly wont see any difference between bulking with mcdonalds or a balanced diet. If time and money permits, go for the better food but don't feel guilty if you need to cheat to fit your macros. 
Most importantly: if you are a selfproclaimed "hard gainer", get a calorie counting app on your phone or sign up on some sight and measure everything you eat. "hard gainers" are notorious for overestimating their calorie intake. Same would go if you were a fatass (which i doubt if you are trying to bulk).
AND DRINK FISH OIL / TAKE CAPSULES
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 The ideal diet is about 15% protein, 10% carbohydrates, and 75% fat. You want a ratio of 1:1 for both unsaturated to saturated and omega 3s to omega 6s. Also I recommend the multivitamin from Relentless Improvement called OrthoCore. I've read many, many books on nutrition. I most highly recommend, "The art and science of low carbohydrate living"
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