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July 24th, 2017
Lets Talk Real - Drugs
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Zer0.Point

Zer0.Point

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Join Date: 02/06/2012 | Posts: 492

As I pointed out in another thread, more people have been trying to sell me on how "transformative" experiences with hallucinogens are. Now, in my book, the word “transformative” means something has a lasting impact on your day-to-day point of view of the world which also results in a different approach to your relationship with life. The degree to which that happens can be minor or major. Now that I've defined "transformative," let's keep going.

Most recently I listened to this girl from work tell me about her most recent trip (get it? TRIP! LOL) to Denver Colorado where she did shrooms, acid, and smoked DMT. I was patiently listening to her describe to me how transformative it all is bla bla bla. But I couldn't help but notice that when she wasn't talking about this shit, she was essentially more or less the same person, talking about the same irrelevant shit and reacting to petty things the exact same way as she always had been. Now this is just one instance of ONE person. I've had many others. And more and more it sounds like a rationalization to get high more frequently. And if you can manage to do that, more power to you.

I don't doubt that these experiences are transformative during the substance's life cycle in your system, but where does that leave you when it's out of your system? Most likely it leaves you exactly where you always have been. I haven't done anything extreme as DMT or acid, but i have smoked weed. Althought at some point I'm open to trying DMT or acid or shrooms, I can say that weed has not had any impact at all on my sober day-to-day way of life.

I think what these substances *can* do is make you open-minded to possibilities you haven't considered before. But guess what? Reading a fucking book can do the same thing.

Furthermore, I also argue that going out to the club and being blown out left and right for a night can be much more transformative than the supposed effects of these substances.

This isn't an anti-drug post. I'm all good with all this shit. It's just that I get tired of people telling me of what an impact some substance or another has had on them when in my eyes it's clear that these people, when sober, haven't changed one iota.

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Burninginquiry

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You still have to put in the work to change but the drugs may have made you aware of things you weren't aware of
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Burton2

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 don't expected to become so all holy all powerful person...its hit or miss you might have some crazy thoughts you absoultely hate..

clearly you know both sides of doing this "taking drugs" or "reading a book"  i've taken shrooms.  wasnt wanting outlooks on life though.  I took about 2 grams..which isnt A LOT but its enough.  All i did was sit on my porch smoke a lot of cig..watched porn on my iphone..laughed at stupid shit..sold weed to some kid..and couldnt fall asleep..i would compare it to being drunk.

my friend that night took an 8th and i belive he experinced some weird shit..but then again..he just likes to get fucked up so he wasnt "waiting" for the ego to blown up or anything..

the second time i took them..i remeber trying to fall asleep and the i couldnt stop thinking about the career i wanted to do when i was older..what i remeber was i wanted the "easister" job with best lifestyle..and basically my thought was "just be a porn star" like wtf??

we trippy mane 

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Ryan

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At low doses, hallucinogens will usually just make life more fun and humourous; like being a child again.

At moderate doses, the filter of social conditioning through which you regularly view the world will be absent, and for a short period you'll see the world "through your own eyes".

At high doses your ego will be obliterated.  The illusion of seperateness will be broken and you will realize that we are all one.  Kumbaya.

Hallucinogens will give you the altitude to make some very intelligent decisions regarding the direction of your life.  But merely having these epiphanies won't improve your life - you must live in alignment with them.  That's the hard part and drugs can't do it for you.
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Nerdsaver

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 I've done dmt and acid and I don't really think they transform you LONG TERM perse but I have noticed positive affects. I read a lot a books and dabble in drugs so for me they transformed me in different ways. DMT really makes you truly realize how pointless your sense of self and existence as a whole is. Your brain is being pounded super fucking hard with excess information for 6 minutes and you just know how pointless you are on the spectrum.

LSD also can lead to internalizing ideas you already know (have read, heard from rsd, etc) and really understanding them deeply. LSD also has massive ego death as part of the package so it kind of 'resets' your personality in a way. DMT is great, I'd recommend everyone do it. LSD can be the best thing you ever do or super bad depending on how your trip goes.

I've dropped acid a number of times in a number of different situations (work, locked in a room, outdoors, with family around) and honestly I think the only real takeaway for a self developement person would be the bad trips. Good trips are fun and when theyre over theyre done. Bad trips are an ordeal, they can be one of the harshest emotional and mental exeriences of your life so I think fighting through that successfully can do you some good just as an excersize.

Overall though, no one needs these drugs to internalize ideas and if anything they temporarily throw me off my path, so it's really up to you to decide if they're something you'd want to do. 
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Smoove

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Sup,  Veteran of around +/- 1,000 various psychedlic experiences here. Some decent-ish advice in this thread.

OP, you're kinda hitting the nail on the head a bit by noticing this, but you still clearly have no idea what you're really talking about, and nobdy here has really gotten so well at the WHY this is the case.

Essentially, as the guys above have pointed out, low to moderate doses are more amusing than reality shattering. Some of my most pleasurable and amusing life experiences have come out of these dose ranges, but really, that's all just entertainment. Ryan2 and Burninginquiry already pretty much summed it up: you still have to put the epiphanies into action.

Now, Why that's so hard for psychonauts is a whole 'nother thing to look at:

Basically, psychedelics at medium to higher doses will start to take you past the linguistic/symbolic mind and into the realm of direct experience of your sensory input. The amplify whatever you place your attention on. At lower levels of consciousness, all you get is the amplification of the patterning & junk in your mind & subconscious that's been in there all along-- symbols, meanings that are really just your mind connecting the dots between any two things. While it's amusing, the REAL insight starts to happen as you let go of the notion of "self" and allow yourself to become one with all that you are perceiving and surrender to the flow of information/light/vibration coursing through your awareness. When you are able to surrender your identity and it's grip on the meanings & assumptions you (and all of us) are carrying around embedded in your language, you get to have some direct access to mystical insight and connection with a truly higher reality. From that perspective, all that you *think* you know is a joke. All that you know to be you is tiny compaired to who you see you truly are. It's a profound expansion of every notion you have of yourself and the world around you. Truly, it can be amongst the most life altering, reality shattering things you could possibly do. Why do you think that Psychedelics are at the root of virtually every mysical and spiritual tradition on the globe? Why do you think that so many cultures throughout time value these substances for their enlightening properties? To look at porn on your phone while smoking a ciggy? Nah, bro ;)

And while, at it's best, it can radically redefine the whole way you see life, yourself, and everyone around you, the original problem remains the same:

Temporarily transcending the Identity via suspending the linguistic brain is AWESOME, but still leaves you with NO IDEA on how to integrate that wisdom back into your stupid-ass identity when you've come down enough that you're ego is operating again. Long story short: Intragrating what you learn is a different skill than emptying yourself of all your preconceptions. Psychedelics are great for the latter, but not so good for the former. For that, the things Tyler teaches, along with the greater filed of personal development & NLP, are much more well suited to getting *lasting* change.

In all honesty, it's the thing that ruins the credibility of hippies and new agers, IMO. Totally irritates me. But, y'know-- the pain of discipline is not for everyone, and nowhere near as fun (at first)  as getting high is ;)

Hope that helps a bit.
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Nerdsaver

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 Smoove just put into words what I've always thought but never really been able to conceptualize.  Those moments when 'you' don't even exist on acid and you can't help but laugh and feel sorry for yourself at the same time for how fucking retarded you've been with all the petty self image nonsense. Fucking amazing. 
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sentry303

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I used to smoke weed and do extacy and shit. there's a shitload of bums out there that delusionally think they knowmore than other ppl because they do drugs. drugs don't do shit for you besides waste time.
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MARSZ00

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 Back when I used to work retail, I remember my friend got me into a TV show. He said that for him, personally, it was a life-changing event in his career. I watched the show myself and really enjoyed it but didn't find it life changing at all.

Likewise, I know another guy who said that Tupac changed his life. 

It's not necessarily the drugs, it's experiencing something outside of yourself. Like a different reality, something you couldn't possibly think of without drugs since our personalities naturally make us thing certain ways. But drugs aren't necessary for that. Like I said with the above examples, epiphanies can happen anywhere. Also, the "epiphany feeling" is generally just a bunch of chemicals rushing around your brain.

I did shrooms last weekend with two girls. I was sleep deprived and personally, I did not trip. However, the two girls laying on my bed were talking about seeing cats on my ceiling and shit. One of them started crying on my chest because she was having a bad trip.

Drugs won't give you the solution to life and doing too much will turn you into a veggie. Just hit up some LSD or something and see what works out. Make sure you do em with other people.
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Seedro

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 You put jet fuel into a low watt engine it's not going to run any faster...

...althought the engine will start babbling about being transformed anyway, they don't want to feel left out...

...if engines could talk...

...maybe not the best analogy...
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sairus

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 Had same shit with the weed. Your concious boundaries are wider when you're high, but when you become sober - no difference. And anyone saying it doesn't cause addiction - is crazy.
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