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How To Fuck 8 Girls In A Month – And This Is Just The Beginning I Guess… (First Month After Bootcamp and Hotseat)
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Mountaineer-~

Mountaineer-~

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Join Date: 01/07/2011 | Posts: 360

Whatsup, Mountaineer-~ here!

First off, don’t get me wrong. I’m not here to brag about how good I am. Not in the slightest. I just feel the urge to help others to understand and enable them to get the same results that I get (guess it’s all about the main motivation of a man in life: INFLUENCE as opposed to the main motivation of a girl/a chode which is AROUSAL). I think that the content overflow on the front page of RSDN is not really helping if you don’t have a clue “how to use all this stuff”… The big buzzword is “Intermediate Purgatory”. I found (and partly still find) myself in that “phase” for a looooooong time.

A little bit about my background: Started at a very introverted level where social gatherings frightened me. I’m in the game for something around 3 years now and I started as a massive content junkie watching everything (Blueprint, Flawless Natural, Jeffy Show 1 and 2, Evolutions), read tons of books and articles and attended 2 Bootcamps with Brad and Julien. Based on my High Energy game I got “good results”. I got to a level where I had 2-3 FBs and fucked almost one new girl every a month. But then my progress almost stagnated. Guess that’s what we call Intermediat Purgatory. I was not satisfied with the situation because it always was a fight of ME AGAINST THE GIRL as well as getting viewed as this intense “pickup guy”.

Even though it was the complete opposite of everything I learned and did up until then I gave Alexander~s laidback stuff a try and attended a Bootcamp with him in the beginning of January (one month ago). I recognized a massive change in my perception of game and the results started to shoot through the roof. Everything now is so fucking smooth! Fucked 8 girls in total in January, 4 new girls in 2 weeks and have more or less 4 FBs now (mostly already based on Alexanders~ mindsets; turning new girls down to get a FB) with 2-3 new girls in the fuck funnel that I will fuck in the next 1-2 weeks I guess. => Alexander~s stuff JUST WORKS! <=

But let’s start at the beginning…
Guess I went through the typical phases that almost everyone does.
1. When starting off my “carreer” I watched tons of content and mainly struggled with doing the approaches (approach anxiety). What helps you there? WILL POWER (mainly based on PAIN and ANGER that you don’t get what you want and you say to yourself “Fuck it, I’m going to get this shit handled”). If someone would ask me what is the single most powerful thing that gets you good I would say it’s definitely WILL POWER combined with trying new things and sticking to the process -> TAKING MASSIVE ACTION ENHANCING YOUR COMFORT ZONE! In this phase my game was VERY HIGH ENERGY / VERY INTENSE. Therefore I was very polarizing! I got results but it was more like I blowed 9 girls completely off who were very pissed at me and the 10th girl was FUCKING ON (at least it seemed like it). This is also the phase where you’re starting to get first results and you’re making out with different girls in the club. You’re all about the ego validation “Look at me, I’m able to make out with a bunch of different girls in the club”. It was almost always a framebattle of ME AGAINST THE GIRL. However, you seldom pull any of these girls home or day2 them. Why? Because you’re radiating this approval seeking vibe that you need the validation.
2. After you’re able to approach girls and hold conversations and get the first results you start to build an ego “I’m good with girls” around it. This is the classic. And here’s the critical point about how you react to that. One group tries to protect their new ego (mostly unconsciously) by approaching less and less because they could get rejected and that would their newly built ego that just feels soo good. What’s the end result? They almost do nothing anymore like just approaching girls that give them approach invitations or more or less quit the game altogether. Definitely not the right way to do it! The other group of people is AWARE of what is happening and deliberately is taking action no matter what and is willing to this ego to get past this phase (like also Brad did back in the day). Of course you have to be in the second group to get better!
3. If you decide to be willing to your ego the journey continues. And now comes the part where I found myself in for a very long time. It’s all about being stuck in the Intermediate Purgatory. You get better little by little, pull every now and then and manage to get 1, 2, 3 fuck buddies which you lose again sooner or later. But you still get plenty of flaky numbers, day2 girls and don’t end up having sex with them most of the time. You are wondering why your progress got sooo slow. At this point again many guys just quit. In my case quitting was never an option because I KNEW that sooner or later I will figure it out if I stick to it (WILLPOWER).

Then something happened that changed everything…
And now we come to the point that changed everything! I was a little pissed about that inconsistency of Intermedia Purgatory where I was kind of stagnating (even though I had 2-3 FBs). Also I didn’t want to be viewed as this crazy high intense pickup dude. Then I heard about Alexander~’s style. Somehow it didn’t make any sense to me since it seemed to be the complete opposite of everything I heard till this moment from RSD. I was a huge HIGH ENERGY FAN. I was in resistance with Alexander~s ideas and concepts since they would invalidate most of the time and action I invested into the game so far. I couldn’t resonate with it in the slightest. However, like I already said, WILLPOWER and the willingness to try new things to get forward is the critical piece if you want to get really good. It’s completely needless to make 1000 approaches that are all exactly the same “If you do what you’ve always done you get the results you’ve always gotten”. Try out new stuff! I was a huge HIGH ENERGY FAN. But somehow I found out that this was partly just my subconscious attempt to be different to all the other guys in the club just standing against the wall holing their beer against their chest and doing nothing. Yes, the High Energy stuff worked at some level but it was just an attempt for approval.

However, over time I tried to integrate more and more of Alexander~s stuff into my game. My results went down significantly over a couple of months (as expected). Who cares, if you want to get better you have to stick to it (WILLPOWER) and trust that in the end it will get better! What exactly happened? I quit to try to convey value and just assumed it (“I’m enough”), I went for longer interactions instead of playing intense hit and rund sets. Also, I cut down my intensity from “being all in her face” which produces resistence to “relaxed chilled back and adding physical expressions from time to time” which just arouses her and makes her more and more open. It sounds so cheesy but “Time is really your ally”. The more time you spend with the girl the more comfortable she gets with you: “Patience is the fastest way to get laid”. I especially saw this during my last day2s that went amazing. This way you’re also able to fuck super-stifled GERMAN girls haha. How do you prevent the friendzone? By adding physical expression every now and then! And very key: apply the 4 times rule (persistence). This was very tough for me since in my old mindset I viewed it as being low value to reapproach a girl after she “rejected” you.

The mindblowing weekend where everything “clicked” was the Bootcamp and Hotseat with Alexander~ in Amsterdam in the beginning of January (one month ago). He is by far the most professional instructor I met so far (props to Brad and Julien where I already attended a BC but Alexander~ is much more structured, gives you real individual feedback he even writes down and sends to you). From this time on and after watching his bonus videos I PERCEIVE EVERYTHING DIFFERENTLY. It seems that I can see “the matrix” now. I feel like I DON’T NEED to read any more articles, books. Guess I finally got into congruence with the mindset I AM ENOUGH!

In just being patient and expressing the full range of emotions with expressions of physicality every now and then it’s just a matter of time to get the girl into the bed. This stuff is so fucking consistent that I have to work on accepting that fact! It’s like if a girl meets up with you for a day2 the probability of getting laid is almost 100% (as opposed to my old stuff where it was very unprobable to lay her). Just spend time with her and assume the lay! Don’t rush it! After 2 SNLs I also laid 2 girls on the first day2 by mainly being PATIENT!

After the Bootcamp I went on a little short weekend trip to Alex- where we fucked up two 2 on 2 pulls (almost got laid) until I finally got back to Vienna where I fucked 4 new girls in 2 weeks. Combined with 4 FBs I fucked 8 girls in Januarly. Without Alexander~s mindsets I guess I would’ve lost some of my FBs already… Having already 2-3 new girls in the fuck funnel that I will lay in the next 2 weeks I guess. Everything is so fucking smooth now: ME AND THE GIRL as opposed to ME AGAINST THE GIRL. Recently the hottest girls in the club start to engage me. I get approached more and more often. And I do “less” than I ever did (meaning trying to convey value, being intense, etc.). It’s so fucking sick!

“But Alexander~s stuff is lame and I’m just a HIGH ENERGY dude…”
Why does Alexander~s (laidback) stuff work better than high energy stuff? Because it’s the way a guy with real abundance would think and behave. Let’s do a little thought experiment…
Imagine a man who is very good with women and therefore has a lot of abundance (let’s say he has 5-10 FBs who are all models). He even hasn’t enough time to sleep with all of them because the week only has 7 days. If this guy is going to a club would he go to the first hot girl he sees, tell her that she’s cute/hot and start to chase her? NO! He would think “This girl over there is hot. Fair enough! I already have more stunning hot girls in my rotation than I can take care of. I’m here to have fun so let’s shoot the shit with her a little and explore her. Maybe it turns out that she’s “better” than the girls I already have in my rotation (more adventurous, funnier, etc.).” => This is the real BUYER frame.

IMO High Energy stuff is good to get you started in your Journey but if you really want to get Advanced Alexander~s stuff is the best way to get there! (guess the other instructors have similar mindsets like "I'm enough" in their own game but they don't explicitely teach it...)

I know many guys that don’t give Alexander~s stuff a shot because it seems to be lame and so far away from their high energy stuff they’re currently doing. Fair enough! Guess what: I was exactly that kind of guy but I gave it a shot and it completely changed everything! As long as you’re stuck in Intermediate Purgatory and are not able to fuck girls consistently than you better give it a shot because it plain and simply works amazing!

LISTEN TO THIS MAN - THIS STUFF JUST WORKS!

One last note: You don't have to kill all your cherished High Energy stuff. You can use it from time to time but it has to be based on a chilled back inner balance of "I'm enough".

Hope I could help you and I wish you good luck in your journey!

Anyway I’m out of here. If you want to read more details about the Bootcamp and Hotseat with Alexander~ itself just check out my BC and HS review: Alexander~ Madness in AMSTERDAM - BOOTCAMP AND HOTSEAT - Don't read if you want to stay in Intermediate Purgatory!.

Do you want to read more about my crazy adventures? Check out my Journal: Mountaineer From Vienna: From Intermediate Purgatory To Advanced Stealth Awesomeness.

Cheers,
Mountaineer-~

PS: If you find this article useful post a comment so others that take a look at the Success Stories forum see this article early!
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#1

Emerveillement

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Join Date: 08/02/2012 | Posts: 57

haha you definitly spot on with ze germans :) 

I can only attest to what your' saying, took the same HotSeat with Alex in Amsterdam. Having this kind of mindset ingrained helped me to have smoother and more importantly, fun interactions. The endless shittalk for the sake of self amusement, while incorporating the girl, is so key in this paradigm.

My biggest takeaway after doing this for a month now is that my daytime approaches with girls are not that different nighttime approaches. I used to be a lot stronger during the day and was able to convert a good amount of numbers into dates and sex but I always thought that you needed a gamey schtick for the high octance club environemnt, but hell no :) 

Truly believing "There is no reason why I am not enough" now filters my reality with the ladies and makes the whole process seems effortless and chilled!

I can only thank Alex as well and wish him success with his program in the bigger Amurrican cities, cheers mate! 
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illmatix

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Join Date: 02/21/2011 | Posts: 69

I feel when you really internalise "I am enough" you aren't nervous around women ever again. Tyler and co. talk about having to get into state first or with momentum for the 10s. I've tasted believeing i am enough and it's major chill, no work as you say even with 10s. SELF ESTEEM.
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Mountaineer-~

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@Emerveillement
yeah, "ze" Germans... Kicked a german cutie out of my flat 10min ago. already the 3rd day2, only in her panties and still stifled. freezeout helped but lay was still not possible. however, for the sake of finally fucking a German girl IN AUSTRIA I will go for another day2. it's so strange because in Germany I already pulled twice on 5 visits there. Don't get it what's the difference here but whatever...
it's definitely the moment you really get it that "you're enough" when everything gets fucking smooth and the results take care of itself!

@illmatix
yeah, as soon as you realize that you're enough approach anxiety doesn't make any sense anymore. it's no difference to talk to 7 or a 10. it's all the same. this was such a mindblow. I still don't really grasped it...
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RecoveringAlcoholic

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Join Date: 02/07/2013 | Posts: 5

 This is exactly what I've been looking for. I was just about to make a post about how in the past 2 weeks the only girls who have wanted to fuck me were 6's - but this just answered my question! Lol, I don't even have to make the post now. I was honestly getting so frustrated, I verbally rejected a 6 last night for sex who even offered to drive me home in the morning. I just could NOT bring myself to sleeping with a girl who was below a 7. It just felt... Wrong? You know? I'm not sure how else to explain it. Besides her I've made out with 3 other 6's this week, and had 2 others want to sleep with me. Stuff like that doesn't boost my self esteem, it lowers it. It gets me thinking all that I am worth is a lousy 6... But now i can see exactly what I'm doing wrong! I have been using all the high energy stuff. going right in with the compliments, being in the mind set of ME VS HER. I never even realized that was my mind set till I read this. It's soooo true! The times when I have genuinely picked up a real hotty it was when I wasn't trying. It always got me thinking this: How come when I don't compliment the girl I have a better chance of getting a hotty? I understand now. It's because when I go in all hgih with the compliments and being all touchy I am under the frame of ME VS HER. 

Fuck dude, thank you soooo much for posting this! You have no idea how confused I've been for the past months before reading this. It was starting to eat at me, because I'm int he same intermediate purgatory you spoke of. I just figured this was it! That I was never going to consistently lay hot girls. That I'd be stuck with these 6's wanting me for ever. I can see that's not true. I'm going to check out some of Alexanders stuff right now. 
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Leo-~

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I met Mountaineer in Munich and assisted on his Bootcamp with Julien back in 2012.

So proud of you my friend! You owe your solid success to your solid practice. You paid your dues. I know it didn't come easy. Now enjoy the rewards of your work!

MASSIVE MASSIVE RESPECT :-)

All the best,
Leo
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MakeItHappen

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Join Date: 12/25/2011 | Posts: 529

Thanks a lot for this post!! In the last weeks it started to occur to me that im stuck in exactly the intermediate purgatory you're talking about here, so this post is of massive value for me! Also i too have to deal with super uptight annd logical german chicks, so i know what you're talking about ;)

One thing i've noticed about alex' stuff is that it aalways "clicks more" when i'm doing well in my game. when i've just pulled a hot girl same night, i watch his vids and go like "yeah, dude is absolute right".... however, when my game is bad i dont understand a word lol

anyway, i'll read through your post more thoroughly tomorrow and also have a specific question which ill pm.

thanks,
george
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Mountaineer-~

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@RecoveringAlcoholic
Glad that I could help. But take care: it's not about "just giving no compliments" -> it's about expressing the full range of emotions while not being too intense. you should compliment her and say what you like/love from time to time as well as express your personal boundaries and say what you don't like. best situation would be if the girl is wondering "this is a cool dude who's completely comfortable with physicality. he's complimenting me but also calling me out. it's like he's not all over me like all the other guys. why the fuck isn't he hitting on me!? I'm hot. Or maybe not hot enough for him??? I will make him like me...". for the details just check out Alexander~s stuff!

@Leo-~
Looking back in time I must have looked like a douche back on Juliens Bootcamp... Trying to impress the girls by doing high energy stuff (outcome dependence). Thx man, appreciate it! However, I WILL NOT STOP. "I want it all!" haha. Let's hit it up together some time in the future!

@MakeItHappen
interesting how your understanding of Alexander~s stuff is dependent from the results you've got right before that. yeah, feel free to PM me.
Apropos german girls: got a text from the german girl I'm dating now a few mins ago that "everything is going too fast. we're not compatible...". I'm already fucking chilled back and patient. Really thinking about to just say fuck it. She's not that hot to wait for her over a month. Don't get ze Germans... What the fuck is wrong with them...

Cheers!
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Zonk~

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Join Date: 04/12/2012 | Posts: 91

Well done, bro!

Great summary of your evolution in game, which I was watching very closely.
Very interesting was to see you fighting with yourself to somehow keep the high energy stuff/intend. And now, finally you've got rid of it almost completely.

The most I envy you for is your massive will power. A thing I don't have well-developed for my own.

Looking forward to next the next weekend! ;)
cheers, Zonk~
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#9

Mr.kicks

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Join Date: 02/13/2013 | Posts: 52

Good job bro
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#10

Bredpitt

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Join Date: 02/15/2013 | Posts: 19

Im about to get convinced.
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