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Sleeping fucks up my game and other areas.
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After some months of experimenting I have this conclusion: going to sleep is like presing a "reset button" in my head.

I have a lot of examples where my abilities: physical, emotional, logical are highly reduced just by the fact that I went to sleep.

When I wake up I feel this weird emotions that start very strong but every hour they get lower and lower. 

Even after doing my morning ritual (an attemp to solve this problem), some of them still persist.

For example:

1) It's very hard for me to start cold calling people after 15 minutes from waking up, I have this irrational fear, but after 3-4 hours is not big deal, and after 8 hours from waking up it's totally normal. wtf?

2) Where I live, the clubs fill at 3 am, so if I'm tired and want to take a nap from say 10pm to 2 am, Guess what happens? I wake up in deep fear, not wanting to go out, and if a manage to go out my night will usually suck, my verbals are very slow, my physical escalation is very uncalibrated...wtf?

3) If I go swimming right after a night out, very tired, almost falling asleep, my times are always better than going to the pool right after waking up -up to 2 hours- I have more oxygen, Im menatlly tougher, etc. 

4) My creativity is always at peak just before going to bed, but never -ever- after waking up, even after hours.


So from my experience, I have this conclusions for myself

a) For performance, sleep deprivation is way better than over sleeping, "sleep well" is BS

b) Never go to sleep before going out, NEVER (be up at least 3 hours before), its even worst than programming before going out.

c) The food I eat have a big impact on my energy level, eating junk = sleeping more = more shitty days

d) Being exited about something pumps up my energy levels, so if Im sleepy then I wake up, gaming gets me exited, doing sports gets me exited, etc, so I can be awake for longer, so doing things that Im passionate or new are a must for me so I wake the fuck up.

e) Sleeping bad = Sleeping more, so I have to wear earplugs and light mask.

f) Getting used to sleeping less, from my experience I can get used to sleep 12-14 hours a day and do nothing, and I can get used to sleep 6-7 and work my ass off, is just a decicion, It has nothing to do with what Im doing as long as it's exiting. If it's boring to you, you will always rather be sleeping than doing it.

What's your experience?
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Alex_Mr_It

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Join Date: 10/06/2010 | Posts: 184

 Dude I cannot suggest anything because I HAVE THE SAME EXACT PROBLEM but I still haven't solved it.
its almost scary you described exactly what I'm going through EVERYTIME I sleep, and then I wake up somewhat "low".

I developed a morning ritual, too, but nothing changes if I cannot execute it because I don't want to stand up from the bed.

the sleep deprivation improvement that I feel is sometimes scary, basically when im sleep deprived I WALK AROUND CONSTANTLY IN STATE.
its like my "nervous energy" , my ego that stops me from going into state, is depleted, and after several hours of being awake I'm free to be myself.

any thoughts on how to beat this?
and, how is this thing diagnosed?  Does it have a name?
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 Wow, I experience the same thing. I feel that i cannot be productive before 4 hours I am awake. 

I thought it might have to do with my occasional low blood circulation. Since i am taking gingko biloba, ginseg and maca it seems that i have more energy at morning.

I welcome more suggestions about it
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Holy fuck, I am EXACTLY the same! For the longest time I was wondering if it was all in my head; but if others are experiencing it, it might be worth looking into...

Sounds like some hormonal thing at first glance, but who knows.

In any case, I will be following this thread closely. Let's see what we can come up with.

EDIT: To elaborate, what happens to me with sleep basically is that it acts, as you said, like a "reset" button.

Every time I wake up it's like I'm the chode again. Then, as I go through my day, I remember "Oh, right, it's OKAY to act extroverted. It's OKAY to be loud, it's OKAY to be sexual", and then at the end of the day I'm alpha as fuck. But every night I go to sleep and every morning I wake up as the chode again.

I don't know. Maybe it's that internalizing new beliefs takes time for them to settle in.
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 I sometimes interpreted this as your "homeostasis" mechanism, trying to revert you back to your previous self, to stop growth and to bring you back into your comfort zone.
it could be a good sign...  It means you're breaking free from chains, and from your comfort zone;

some other people say that this happens because your subconscious is trying to communicate to you, that [=rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.292969)]something is not aligned with your values.
i honestly don't believe this theory, and observing it on myself for many mohtns, in my opinion it's 99% a chemical imbalance.

sugars and calories (and some caffeine) most of the time bring everything into place.
do you guys respond well to coffee?

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Alex_Mr_It wrote:
 I sometimes interpreted this as your "homeostasis" mechanism, trying to revert you back to your previous self, to stop growth and to bring you back into your comfort zone.
it could be a good sign...  It means you're breaking free from chains, and from your comfort zone;

some other people say that this happens because your subconscious is trying to communicate to you, that [=rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.294)]something is not aligned with your values.
i honestly don't believe this theory, and observing it on myself for many mohtns, in my opinion it's 99% a chemical imbalance.

sugars and calories (and some caffeine) most of the time bring everything into place.
do you guys respond well to coffee?

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I would agree that it's probably something to do with chemicals. I really think that the pickup community needs to look into brain chemistry more. Certain ways of eating / sleeping /etc can be incredibly useful in changing one's personality.

Now; what do you mean by "bring everything into place"? Are you saying sugars, calories and coffee are helpful?

I've been following a zero carb diet lately, and haven't found much to change. But I'll keep experimenting.

EDIT: Oh, and I have this one memory that I've GOT to tell you guys about (this is why I should keep a FR journal goddammit)
About three weeks ago, I ate TWO medium sized, thick crust pizzas and stayed up most of the night. Then I went to sleep, slept for about 4 hours, and woke up feeling weird. I was SUPER SUPER SUPER unreactive for the next 15 hours or so. It was like I was on some kind of unreactiveness drug or something. My mind was COMPLETELY silent, I was just acting in the moment. I decided I've GOT to try this out and went out that night. It was honestly the best night I'd ever had. I pulled, not the hottest girl I ever pulled but the point is that it was SUPER EASY. It was as if I had started playing the game on EASY MODE when I had gotten used to playing it on EXTRA HARD.

What drove me nuts though is that after that night, that "state" went away and I could never replicate it. I'm still experimenting. It wasn't just sleep deprivation; it was something in the pizzas. Either the calories, the salt, or some other thing. I feel like this was probably a "numbing" effect from the pizza though. Because that's how I felt that day; completely NUMB. My brain was FUZZY; it couldn't THINK. (Which turned out to help tremendously, but I don't think this is something you should be doing long-term).
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 When you sleep, you go into altered states of conciousness that potentially kick up negative emotions that you dont usually feel when your concious.  It's possible that you guys have a lot of dark shit in your past (not neccesarily that bad, but just like, normal dark shit you hvan't realy dealt with).  Have you ever had a particularly vivid dream and then woken up and felt incredibly strong emotions?  Either positive or negative?  It's the same process. Throughout the day, you release, supress and express these feelings so as the hours go on, you feel better and better.  During a bad breakup a couple years ago, I'd feel terrible in the morning.  All the shit would feel like it just happend.  I remember my dreams a lot, and often I could remember all the fucked up dreams I had that kicked up all that emotion.  As the day went on, I would feel better and better and by the time it was time to go to sleep agian, I'd stay awake for hours more cause I was afraid of all that shit coming back in the morning.  

Some possible solutions: 

1.  Get in the habit of doing your gym routine in the morning.  This will express all the shit you kick up and you'll feel amazing very quickly.  
2.  action action action, as soon as your alarm rings, get up, shower, do whatever, don't lounge around in bed feeling shitty, don't think just act even if you feel shitty.  action will bring you out of negative headspace faster than anything (more awesome action will do it faster)
3. meditate in the mornings when you wake up (but don't fall asleep like a - sit in a way that if you fall asleep you'll be jarred awake) - meditation is esentially the active process of experiencing and releasing negative energy from your psyche.
4.  don't sleep deprive yourself that's retarded and while I guess might help in the short run, it's incredibly unhealthy for both your body and mind

whether or not you believe any of the releaseing/expressing/supressing shit about emtions, try these strategies before you knock it, they don't require a theoretical understanding or belief to work, just action.
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Alex_Mr_It

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 Alerj123 thank you, you summed up perfectly what i was thinking all the time. There must be something inside our mind, that we still can't see or control. And those are the things that probably are stopping us from getting massive success.
Yes, one of my cures for morning negativity is, as soon as I open my eyes, don't think, run to the kitchen, do a protein shake with NOXplode (pre-workout formula) and literally run to the gym.

S.Plissken, the experiment with the two pizzas might be connected to the production of SEROTONIN, stimulated by the carb consumption.
serotonin is freakin' important for the well bein of the mind, and to fight depression (in fact, the medicines against depression are serotonin reuptake inhibitors)
yes absolutely, the community HAS THE NECESSITY to look into brain chemistry and link all those details together, to understand what's blocking us. I feel there must be something more out there.
i wouldn't be surprised if one day we discovered that naturals and non-successful guys have a different brain chemistry.

By the way, on serotonin:
"Wurtman, director of the Program in Women's Health at the MIT Clinical Research Center, and colleagues have found that when you stop eating carbohydrates, your brain stops regulating serotonin, a chemical that elevates mood and suppresses appetite. And only carbohydrate consumption naturally stimulates production of serotonin.[bgcolor=rgba(255, 255, 255, 0)]"When serotonin is made and becomes active in your brain, its effect on your appetite is to make you feel full before your stomach is stuffed and stretched," said Wurtman. "Serotonin is crucial not only to control your appetite and stop you from overeating; it's essential to keep your moods regulated."[/bgcolor][bgcolor=rgba(255, 255, 255, 0)]Antidepressant medications are designed to make serotonin more active in the brain and extend that activity for longer periods of time to assist in regulating moods. Carbohydrates raise serotonin levels naturally and act like a natural tranquilizer.[/bgcolor]
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I experience the same shit. Especially when I wake up on the weekends
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It all comes down to... Cortisol.  Check your leves with a salivary test.
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 bump
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