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July 20th, 2017
The Murders on Lovely Street
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Almost Too Smooth - Thursday 2/20

A mild, inexplicable rage festers inside my body this evening. It's probably a combination of 4 hours of sleep (which I don't think I have ever done in my life) and constipation. I almost stay in tonight, but decide to try something chill and hit up a live music venue by the university. It's a jazz bar so my friends and I are about 15-20 years younger than most of the people there. 

Drinking a delicious green smoothie with plenty of fiber and listening to some live music cheers me up a bit. But, there are no women. We decide to walk three doors down to a college bar which is usually filled with greeks. Lots of bro chodes and pretentious girls. Not a problem for me. 

I'm surprisinly relaxed, normal, and social tonight. I strike up many conversations, pull bitches out of their groups, try to join two different groups of girls going to the bathroom, and try a threeway make out which I seem to blow by verbally stating they're both cute and I could 'kiss' them both. For some reason if I am verbally direct at night, I seem to kill attraction. I'm going to stop direct verbals and just let my body language do the talking. 

I'm out with a new friend of mine who is the epitome of a charmer. Every woman he talks to seems to be automatically drawn in to him. He's positive, charming, and confident. He can be mistaken for gay/bi, but women still drool themselves talking to him. I'm glad to have met him since my inner circle of 5 closest friends don't really offer me any growth or learning opportunities. I need more inspirational people in my life. The biggest  difference between us is that he is a "coquette" type of seducer whereas I follow more along the charismatic archetype. He spends a long time observing, strategizing, and ignoring before approaching whereas I usually jump right in . He also speaks a lot whereas I tend to be silent quite a bit (despite being a extrovert). I need to relearn my old style of flirting/bantering. He'll let the girl lead a bit whereas I tend to be the leader in my interactions.

I strike up a chat with a girl who isn't my type; white, blonde, and dumb. She's frickin' cute though. It's her 21st birthday and she's only with one other friend. I leave after a bit since she's not all that interesting.

Later, I see my friend talking to her and her friend. I decide fuck it, let's go back in. It's a little bit nice since I start being silent and she feels pressure and fills the silences. I kind of just start thinking everything she says is cute rather then expecting her to give my intellectual stimulation. I leave again.

My friend says we're taking them to another bar. I don't want to that much, but decide to see how far I can take the interaction. We take them down to another bar where people get stabbed and shit. Great!

My friend starts doing the 'cube' on his girl which I actually think is kind of fun despite my hatred of cold reading. I realize this is a perfect time to isolate. I tell my girl I'm going to do it on her, but we have to move over to the next table so we can focus. We move and she tries to sit across from me. I tell her, "No, sit next to me." She does. I do the cube. She likes it. We talk more (mostly her). I stop listening and stare at her mouth for like 5 minutes. Our faces are really close.

I go for the kiss. Get the cheek. Chat. Tells me she has a boyfriend who is mad at her right now. It seems genuine. Chat. I go for the kiss again but move her face so our lips are lined up. Small kiss on the lips with mouth closed. Chat. I go for the kiss again. Get the cheek. I decide to go for her neck now (just fucking turn the girl on and she can't resist). I'm great with the neck and she gets more aroused. Girls almost never stop this so next time a girl doesn't want to kiss her, just kiss/lick/suck on her neck to turn her on. My friend, taking my lead, starts making out with his girl. Sweet man!

Sadly, the bouncer kicks us out at this point. We go eat at a burger joint and she calls for a ride. Once it gets there, she runs out like fucking speedy gonzales. I don't get her contact but it's cool since I had a great night.

Strengths:
1. Decided to push the interaction, changed venues several times, led quite well
2. Was relaxed and normal

Lessons:
1. Be normal, seriously, it's extremely powerful
2. Really get back to my flirting roots and use them at the start of ALL interactions (I've been too serious lately)
3. Don't be verbally direct at night; it just doesn't work for me, need to realize my strengths/weaknesses
4. Green smoothies with fiber + live music = awesome
5. Meet more white girls

Gratitude:
1. I am grateful for my new friend
2. I am grateful for live music and green smoothies
3. I am grateful for girls that will fill silences instead of standing in front of me like a retard if I decide to by silent for a bit
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Ain't Nothin' To It But To Do It - Saturday 2/23

A mild laziness creeps up on me towards the late evening despite waking in the mid afternoon. The realization hits my brain just as a mild anger begins to build within me. I haven't eaten all day. Chipotle enters the scene and I consume a delicious rice bowl followed by a smootie and cookie from Whole Foods. This should be enough sustenance for the eve.

My friend (from the last report), whom I shall call Sparrow for now, is too "exhausted" to go out. I go Julien on his as and text him "Adventureeeee." He relents a bit and wants to go to a local bar I haven't been too. We arrive there and play several games of pool, which I lose based on a technicality rather than inferior skill. 

It's a bit quiet tonight, but I dig the vibe despite not being a dive bar type of guy. There was one girl playing on the table next to us to had fantastic cleavage. I would have loved to lick and suck on those titties under the moonlight. However, I out and don't say anything. 

We decide to cross the bridge and hit up Seattle instead where several of my friends are wreaking havoc. We walk up to the bar but the line is about 50 heads deep, which I have never seen here before. Sparrow and I run into his ex's best friend who is on his nuts. She's smoking a cigarette right outside the entrance. It seems like we'll be able to cut the line with her, but as the door guy is occupied all three of us just stroll right in super smooth.

She is with her friend whose number I got (last Thursday) and texted, only to have her not remember me despite her having solid eye-contact. I use eye-contact to judge drunkeness and will usually move on if a girl is too shit-faced. Her eye-contact was really strong, but she failed to remember me despite a good conversation. May need to rethink my drunkeness screening. We all chat a bit.

I then meet up with my other homeboy Googley Bear who is with his girl. His girl is a sweetheart and cool at the same time. I thoroughly enjoy her company. She wants me to meet one of her friends and her mom. I do all of that good stuff in addition to meeting one of her friends who I hate. She's a true in all of the worst ways (not the hot ways). Usually I don't mind if I sense that she may have some other qualities I might appreciate. Not in this case.

I end up engaging a big ass group of people and speaking with a pretty cute and friendly blonde girl (which is unlike my type). I say something about her being a gigolo and sign language. She actually knows sign language and I ask her to teach me how to tell a girl she is cute. Then I teach her a bit of russian. 

As her group is leaving I plan to ask for the number, but she invites me to go to the next bar with them. I decline but hand her my phone so maybe we can meet up later. In hindsight, I probably should have just gone with her. I don't know what I was thinking!? It's totally cool to allow girls to lead.

Sparrow and I head to another venue and listen to a bit of live music then head to our final venue of the night. This is where I speak to the most adorable girl ever, who is being followed around by some puppy dog like chode. I decide to just start opening with, "Hi, welcome to [bar name]" or "Happy Birthday!" It works great with this one and she asks, "Who ARE you?" in a very interested way with an interested look on her face. Sparrow does a good job of winging the chode while I speak with adorable hippie chick. We seperate after a bit, but I want to talk to her some more. I end up letting Sparrow sort of talk me out of it by listening to him talk about her chode puppy dog instead of going balls to the wall and going back in.

We end the night at Denny's with a couple friends just telling jokes and laughing our ass off. Overall, the night is pretty damn good.

Wins:
1. Was normal and relaxed
2. Girl tried to pull me
3. Met lots of people
4. One of the hottest chicks of the night was intrigued by me (better word than 'hooked')

Lessons:
1. I was speaking too quickly. Need to slow down and pause to keep people's attention
2. Winners have selective blind spots and either ignore obstacles or deal with them with ease - get more of this
3. Been trying to stop moving sets by stopping the girl I like instead of the girl in front - change this
4. Speak to more stationary sets

Gratitude:
1. I am grateful for blonde white girls who help me diversify the girls I talk to
2. I am grateful for the complimentary style of Sparrow and our wingman chemsitry
3. I am grateful for funny jokes
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Read a post about Building Your Player Brand and it was a good refresher in terms of remembering my particular style of value. Here's mine:

What makes me special?
1. I am very intelligent and able to stimulate and challenge a person's mind.
2. I am craetive and imaginative, in life and in bed.
3. Curious and genuinely want to learn about new ideas and people
4. Sopshisticated, well-spoken, well-dressed
5. Ambitious and hunger to be and do great
6. Decisive leader
7. Independent

What makes me attracive? (aside from the above)
1. My confident attitude
2. My style
3. My dominance
4. My sexy body shape, full lips, firm ass, long fingers, amazing cock, high cheek bones, soft skin, long eye-lashes, defined muscle lines, soft hair

Why would a hot girl fuck me?
1. She'll be pleased as my first priority
2. She'll enjoy my imagination
3. She'll be throughouly dominated
4. I'll be honest and kind to her
5. She'll feel safe, comfortable, and excited
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Reasons Why I Am A Boss:

1. I am commited to personal growth
2. I am a leader
3. I am decisive
4. I am ambitious and want to rule the world
5. I am very intelligent and understand complex ideas easily
6. I am funny
7. I am well-spoken
8. I am open-minded and always willing to try or learn something new
9. I am curious about the world and people
10. I am good at finding something unqiue and special about a person (recognizing strengths)
11. I am usually calm and collected
12. I have a supreme sense of style
13. I am a sophisticated man
14. I can say, "You are cute" in about 9 different lanuages
15. I can stimulate and challenge peoples' minds
15. I have a vivid imagination
16. I am an innovative  thinker and problem solver
17. I am always maximizing effiency
18. I am great at finding opportunities and ways for improvement
19. I am a phenomenal dancer
20. I am genuinely willing to help someone (in the teach a man to fish way rather than give a man to fish) if they ask
21. I will be an empowering and caring father
22. I am organized
23. I take care of my body/appearance
24. I am socially savy
25. I am brave
26. I persavere
27. I have soft, full lips
28. I have thick, soft, and healthy hair
29. I have a great body shape 
30. I have 10% body fas and lots of definition (which will only improve in the coming months)
31. I am a robust and creative lover
32. I have nice dick and long fingers
33. I have nice skin
34. I can cook delicious meals when I choose to 
35. I genuinely care about people's suffereing even if I do not show it
36. I am always searching for the truth and am truthful myself even at personal expense
37. I am clean and smell amazing
38. I am a good driver
39. I am sexually liberated
40. I am wise for my age
41. I am an effective planner and executer
42. I care about my family and friends
43. I will face my fears and push my comfort zone
44. I am always searching for freedom and supporting the freedom of others
45. I am practical
46. I am a good kisser
47. I am comfortable with silence
48. I treat everyone with respect, even if I don't like them
49. I am really kind when I want to be
50. I am emotionally intelligent 
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 I want to jot this down while it is still fresh and so that I keep it in my head for these next 4 days and so I can close these girls.

Getting girls is super simple. It's basically:

Show a little intent + be normal + always move things forward

I've done almost no work to set these up. We're told to make statments instead of asking quesitons. Well, that's wrong (at least if you've passed the noob stage). It's actually better to ask questions instead of trying to over-lead. All I did was ask these girls, "Hey, do you wanna grab tea or smoothies sometime next week?" whereas in the past I would have said, "Hey, let's get tea and smoothies here at this time." Once they said yes, I took the lead and told them when and where we'll meet. I decided to stop trying and just be normal. Such a small tweak that makes a huge difference.

A confident guy isn't pushy. He'll ask the question as a way to make the girl make her own choice, but he already knows the answer will be yes.

Three more important notes:

1. Have a very very low criteria for success; say anything I want and be normal, it's all value
2. Escalate on high notes, not when there's a lull and you don't know what to do
3. Being a leader and making solid connections requires some initial investment and work on my behalf
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 I want to jot this down while it is still fresh and so that I keep it in my head for these next 4 days and so I can close these girls.

Getting girls is super simple. It's basically:

Show a little intent + be normal + always move things forward

I've done almost no work to set these up. We're told to make statments instead of asking quesitons. Well, that's wrong (at least if you've passed the noob stage). It's actually better to ask questions instead of trying to over-lead. All I did was ask these girls, "Hey, do you wanna grab tea or smoothies sometime next week?" whereas in the past I would have said, "Hey, let's get tea and smoothies here at this time." Once they said yes, I took the lead and told them when and where we'll meet. I decided to stop trying and just be normal. Such a small tweak that makes a huge difference.

A confident guy isn't pushy. He'll ask the question as a way to make the girl make her own choice, but he already knows the answer will be yes.

Three more important notes:

1. Have a very very low criteria for success; say anything I want and be normal, it's all value
2. Escalate on high notes, not when there's a lull and you don't know what to do
3. Being a leader and making solid connections requires some initial investment and work on my behalf
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Quick update

Tuesday

Hung out with a girl from high school. She's was boring so I decided to make out with her. It sucked. Waste of time. 

Wednesday

Supposed to hang out with a really cute black chick I met at the bars last Friday. She was hella late because of getting dressed and getting lost. I decided to go home. We're gonna try again for Sunday.

Thursday

Daygame at the local mall. Hit up around 12 girls or so with a friend. Going direct seems to kind of freak some girls out a little and give them the fight or flight response. Best approaches were when I move my legs before figuring out what to say and then letting my brain improv as I stepped up to them. The biggest issue I have when I get nervous is my voice sounds shakey and cracked. Sometimes I can barely get out the right words without slurring or getting my tongue twisted. A side issue is that my face feels weird when I'm nervous and it's hard to make good facial expressions.

Another major issue is that girls who look cute from far away end up being super uncute and girls who look uncute from far away look really adorable up close. I can't tell unless I'm face to face with them. Might have to start using the "thought you were someone else" to insta-eject from the ones I'm not attracted to and make sure I approach the ones that don't seem cute from far away to find out.

I was going mostly direct, which is hard to do unless you genuinely think a girl is cute. This can change quickly once I'm face to face with her so I may need to do delayed direct instead, which may also help in getting to stop a woman's walking momentum.

Leaning back slightly (one foot in front of the other) helps me relax a little while talking. I also realize it's weird not to use hand gestures when talking. It just makes you so much more dominant and dynamic.

No worthwhile connections. I fail to approach one really sexily dressed Asian that eye-fucks the shit out of me (I'm starting to get better at seeing girls checking me out with their peripherals). Won't happen again. I get one facebook from a girl in a rush. I also do much better with the really cute ones as I'm geniunely excited and smiling when I talk to them.

The day turns out really well as my friend gets off work and brings his co-worker along to hand a bit. Eventually the two of us end up alone on a couch in a nearby plaza area talking and making super deep connections and flirting occassionally. I ramp up the tension by using a seductive voice to say benign phrases. She cracks, which shows that she's probably a bit inexperienced. Nonetheless, she's really chill, nonjudmental, and we vibe pretty damn well together. There were a couple of kiss opporunities, but I decide to ignore them and build more tension. Get her number. This is going to be a really fun experience! 

Friday

Going bachata dancing tonight. Definitely going to be a sexy night.

Saturday

Going to a fashion show tomorrow. Definitely clean up at those as I'm genuinely like fashion, dress well, and it's a clam fest. Seriously, play smart and cultivate an interest in things that are women heavy. Art museums, yoga, fashion are just a couple ideas.
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A note on Approach Anxiety:

Yesterday I picked up a work shift from my old job to make a few bucks. This happens every several months or so. I haven't worked there full time in years. The job requires approaching, talking to, and a sort "selling" to strangers. When I first started, I'd get nervous easily and for long periods time. Now, despite not doing the gig for a long time, it happened for only about 10 seconds and then disappeared. I just didn't care.

Instructors say AA never goes away. Well, I disagree. Functionally, AA can disappear. The intensity and duration decrease with practice/experience so much so that it doesn't matter. Yes it may come back if you haven't done it for a while, but it'll subside quickly.
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Two things to focus on this week:

1) Lower criteria for what is "good enough" to say. Say the first thing that comes to mind and it'll flow organically. Be normal and don't try to impress.

2) Explain less. I tend to explain to much in my verbal and written communications. Stop doing this and just express my decision/opinion without the explanation. In other words, say less.
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