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December 10th, 2016
The Murders on Lovely Street
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Saturday (night) 1/12

I slip on my camel-colored car coat and wrap my cotton scarf around my neck in a euro knot. As I step out into the night, the cold slaps my face. Wish I had some long johns to keep me warm(er). 

My friend and I walk into the first venue, which seems to be populated by bro-type guys and girls. This is one of the few bars in the gay/hipster neighborhood that has my type of girls (at least appearance wise). We essentially sit at a table right in front of the doors. I turn around and say hi to a group of three girls and engage the one closest to me, which was a mistake. Should have taken a minute to find the one that caught my eye, in the middle. She was more friendly as well. Though I could have been more persistent to the one I spoke to first, who wasn't very receptive, I should have immediately enagaged one of the others. There wasn't enough attraction or potential for me to keep going. I hate wasting my time.

I realize that whenever a girl has the not interested vibe (as opposed the the more neutral not-yet receptive vibe) and I'm not attracted to her, it's best for me to ignore her and chat up her friends instead. No reason for me to waste time trying to open up a girl I'm not interested in. 

Eventually my friend and I decide to head to another venue. I speak to a woman with a really wild coat on. It looks like patch work and has various spanish words and images on it. It's quite flamboyant. Marianna, such a lovely name. Ear sex . She's originally from Mexico and just returned from a trip to Paris. She's visitng the city and considering moving here. She's very warm and friendly, which I adore. Foreign girls always catch my fancy because I'm very curious and love anything new or exotic. I want to see her again so ask for the number, but she doesn't have a phone here. Get her email address instead and return to my friend. Thinking back, I made the mistake of leaving right after getting contact details. You should always stay and chat for a little after getting the contact.

My friend is chatting with a somewhat cute blonde. She has very strong bone structure, maybe a little too strong. I find out she's a neuroscience graduate student. We start talking about the brain because I'm a nerd and fascinated by neuroscience. She wrote a paper on Synasthesia, which a rare brain disorder in which some of the five senses become entangled. For example, hearing and taste can become entwined so that whenever a synsthete hears the word John, he/she will taste bacon. When they hear the word mother, they may taste watermelon. Crazy!

We have a great vibe and she's a better match for me than for my friend. But I don't escalate since he engaged her first. We find out she is with a group of six other girls here from Canada for the weekend. They are leaving tomorrow. Ding ding ding.

I wander off to chat up some other girls, who inadvertantly turn out to be part of this Canadian gang. They all went to college together and have really awesome degrees. I enjoy talking to them. The nine of us head to another bar and dance a little. This is where end up grinding with and making out with Hanna. She tells me she's breaking her New Years resolution of not hooking up with guys at bars. I tell her that only applies in Canada. This works a little.

We're all hungry and I suggest getting some low down and dirty tacos a block away. We finish eating and all walk outside. Two other girls have guys with them and none of the other girls are cockblocking in the slightest. Those are great girlfriends! 

Hanna wants to say good bye. I mouth her. She says she can't. I tell her we can just make-out or cuddle. She likes the idea but is still hesitant. Her friends says let's go, assuming I'm coming too because the other guys are going back to their place as well. She relents and says ok, let's go.

It's a two bedroom apartment and the other girls try to give the couples some privacy by disappearing into the bedrooms. Hanna and I and another couple hang out in the living room. More making out happens. She says she needs to sleep. "Great, lets go cuddle."

We lie down on the floor (her friend is asleep in the bed) and make out, grope, massage, talk. I try at least eight or nine times to get her clothes off or rub her pussy, but the force is strong with this one. Eventually she falls asleep and I just masturbate myself to sleep next to her. Maybe should have tried to get in bed with the other girl, who threw a few signals at me as well. 

These girls talked about sex quite a bit around me, but more in the you're a cool guy who won't judge us so we feel comfortable around you way. It was a fun experience just hanging out with a group of girls, not trying to be cool, and just being normal.

Strengths:
1. Spoke freely off the top of my mind and decided not to use the Hand of God or the, "Hey, who are you' opener because I wasn't feeling that way
2. Was fairly persistent, but not in a pushy way. It was in a very  "I don't care if you say yes or no" kind of way
3. Was pretty relaxed, which in turn made the girls feel relaxed

Lessons:

1. Start flirting and escalating on more attarctive women
2. Approach immediately upon spotting someone I want to talk to, waiting just makes it more awkward in the end

Gratitude:
1. I am grateful for smart women
2. I am grateful for my guy friends who actually apporach women or have decent skills with women
3. I am grateful for living in such a beautiful and diverse city
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Saturday (night) 1/20

My vibe has been much more normal and chilled backed lately, even though I’ve been having a lot more fun. I haven’t been running around like a chicken with the head cut off, which I still see many experienced guys doing when they don’t need too. It’s time to create quality interactions rather than a quantity of interactions; time to be more strategic in the women I approach (ones that look like my type and really really hot women who don’t necessarily look like my type).

Though I did not achieve major results, I had a lot of fun and really figured out the key things I need to work on.

I started out the night really slow not wanting to approach. My brother did a lot of the work and introduced me, which feels really chode. I’d just rather not have him introduce me at all so I can feel like an idiot standing around alone and feel motivated to go meet some people.

Once I hit the dance floor, I loosened up. The key to good dancing is not to look at the people around you, but actually look down with your eyes to help your brain access the part of your brain that helps you dance without caring and more creatively (at least this works for me). It feels like I’m accessing my emotional side (which is absolutely key to good dancing) as well as my body as a whole (like meditation).
I approach one girl and her friend, who I didn’t find all that attractive. She turns out to be Spanish and once I hear her speak, I’m smitten. She actually becomes more attractive. My brother and I leave them to go dance, they end up following us.

I bump into another girl I met earlier and we have a fun gangster dance together. Spanish girl now seems a little more attracted. I dance with her. I feel her up a bit and she is so skinny! I prefer some curves, but it’s all good. I leave the dance floor thinking I’ll seem them later in the night, but I don’t. I’m a bit sad as I would have liked to talk to Spanish girl some more and maybe exchange numbers.
Late in the night the place gets really packed and people are dancing off of the dance floor. I spot a really really cute girl who looks like my type. She’s wearing a leather jacket, has really short hair which actually looks good on her, nice brown skin, and a great smile.

I make eyes. She looks away. She looks back and I wave. She looks away. She looks again and I motion for her to come over. She doesn’t so I walk over to her and tell her she’s adorable. Apparently it’s her twenty first birthday. I speak to her for just a minute or two and when she says have a good night, I walk away. Big mistake. Always stay in and talk since they don’t necessarily know what to say either. Sadly I don’t see her again even though I really would have liked to talk to her more.

I dance with more girls. They all love me. But tonight my heart is sad. Oh well, I’m seeing Mexican girl from the last post on Monday. Should be fun.

Strengths:
1. Didn’t run around like a chicken with my head cutoff.

Lessons:
1. Focus on looking deep into the eyes on the open. I make eye-contact, but it’s a soft gaze of the face and doesn’t work as well as when I stare directly into the eyes.
2. Stay in the interaction longer. Just talk random gibberish. Then lead the woman around the venue.
3. Writing a field report the morning after is better than on the same night.
4. I also seem to misread bar signals. Girls that hold eye-contact are never receptive when I approach. I should try approaching the ones that dart their eyes away quickly (I always thought this showed no interest) and also keep looking at these girls to see if they look back.

focus on #1 and #2 for the next two weeks

Gratitude:

1. I am grateful for women at bars who actually have fun and smile instead of acting too cool for school or bitchy.
2. I am grateful for living in a diverse city.
3. I am grateful for TedTalks
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Walking On Air - Monday (day 2) 1/21

The thick white cream chokes the streets for the fifth day straight. I've never seen this much fog in my life. Yet, if i think about it I am flying or floating through the sky. We are walking around in a cloud, gangster.

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Coffee and Mariana are on the menu today. She is the woman from the 1/12 report. Nerves and excitement fill my body. Even though she is visiting here from Mexico, she's the one who told me when and where we are meeting. Her assertiveness and independence is a turn on, which I mention to her later on.

We spot each other and walk up to hug. She kisses me on the cheek as she's just come back from Paris. This greeting is wonderful and something I'd like to start doing as well. I've tried it once before, but couldn't stick to it. She looks even more wonderful in the light than in the darkness of the bar. Long, thick brunette hair falls and bounces on her shoulders. Golden brown skin and brown eyes make her look delicious. She's a runner and her body is quite fit as well. I find brunette complexions more sexully attractive (and recently read an article that said men pay more attention to blonds, but actually are more sexually attracted to brunettes). 

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I decide not to push too hard, but let the natural tension between a man and a woman play out on its own. I create just enough of a man to woman frame that it'd be hard to just think of me as a friend, but not so much that it's super obvious. Instead of being extremely polarzing, I play a bit more mystery. This works well. However, part of the reason for not being so polarizing today is that I haven't been feeling very horny lately. I should start taking Zinc again. I realize that part of the reason I was escalating and polarizing so hard is that I was bit desperate for sex. I was caring too much about closing as soon as possible (blood in the water syndrome), which is a sign that you're lacking abundance, rather than being patient and building tension, which a man with true abundance would most likely do.

We'll be seeing each other again this week. Should be fun. I'm excited to get a bit more touchy. Hopefully I won't be as spacey as I was today so I can articulate my ideas better and listen better.

Strengths:
1. Didn't push too hard as that can be sign of outcome dependence or neediness.

Lessons:
1. Keep taking zinc
2. Stop rushing interactions; a natural with true abundance would not rush to close as soon as possible
3. Make sure to physical next time

Gratitude:
1. I am grateful for assertive and independent women
2. I am grateful for Zinc supplements
3. I am gratefule for gratitude logs
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Hard to Respect "Models" - Thursday Night 1/25

A common theme in the forums seems to be viewing models as high value. If you date or talk to a cool a model, you're a cool guy. Well tonight confirmed that I personally place very little value in modeling. I went to a covergirl contest party for a local magazine and met many "models." Not many of them were interesting nor even that attractive. They just aren't my type. I value intelligence, independence, creativity, ambition, and other traits a lot more. My type of woman falls into the archetypes of: smart nerd, creative and warm artsy girl, and high-powered business woman (see images). I was just glad to confirm my personal standards. You really need to define your own standards as well to be a real man.

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Nonetheless, I had several long interactions that I stuck in despite a few awkward moments and sort of just spoke freely without thinking about what to say. Part of the reason may be that I haven't been horny the last week because of not taking zinc to counterbalance the libido killing effect of my medicine. 

I also noticed many women checking me out which I believe is because of the way I walk now. It's with purpose and I don't look at other people as I move about the venue. I look straight ahead to where I am going and look right at people when I'm in a conversation. I don't "value scan." The party is wherever I am.

Strengths:
1. Had some longer interactions instead of running around like a chicken with the head cut off
2. Confirmed personal standards
3. Kept the party with me and didn't look around to try and find the party in others

Lessons:
1. Keep taking zinc to keep libido up
2. I've been going out at night for a really long time now. It's okay to take a break and start doing daygame more.

Gratitude:
1. I am grateful for supplements and medicine when other things fail
2. I am grateful for women more interesting than the average model
3. I am grateful for my resilience
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Hot Tamales - Friday 1/26

Eres muy caliente y saborosa, pero no hablo portugesi. 

I roll out solo and feel surprisingly calm, though I do wander around aimlessly a little bit. I don't have any standards to meet tonight, so I just speak from the top of my head. I've done a decent job minimizing the window between the moment my mind thinks of something to say and the time I act on it (i.e. say). Do it immediately or else your brain starts talking you out of it.

One girl I talk to just to get warmed up. Not attracted at all. She has grungy look (and not in the good way). I see her tomorrow night and she ends up asking for my number. I'll probably ignore her if she gets the balls to follow through. I like girls in dresses or punk rock styles.

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My favorite interaction of the night was with a group of four Brazilian girls, two of which were celebrating their birthdays. I open with, "Hey, happy double birthdays" and that leads to a thirty or forty minute interaction. My girl doesn't seem explicitly interesed, but neither is she showing signs of disinterest. It's the quiet attentive look that many of the intstructors talk about. We talk about little Brazilian bikinis and beaches among other things.

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I steal her tiara and my buddy steals the one from the other girl. We take a photo on her phone and I ask her to text it to me so I have her number. I text her tomorrow morning. No response. The end of the interaction sort of died out and she reached the bobbly-eyes drunkness, which is my usual cut-off for a conversation because I know she's not sober enough for it to be solid. I also don't usually go for sex after this point either, though it's happened a few times. Really I should have just said I wanted to see her again and left on a high note or tried to move them to another venue.

Strengths:

1. Didn't plan any openers, but spoke freely
2. Had some long and decent interactions without feeling as if I'm public speaking (which happens to me sometimes - nervousness)

Lessons:
1. Get compliance/investment during high points in an interaction
2. Physically move women around the venue more
3. Talk to guys to warm-up if necessary
4. Don't be afraid to give the "what-the-fuck" face to girls or their friends if they're acting stupid

Gratitude:
1. I am grateful for the power of nonchalance
2. I am grateful for dresses
3. I am grateful for beaches
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Key Points to Keep Working On:

1. Look directly into the eyes on the open; push my soul deep down into hers and keep strong eye contact
2. Approach immediately upon spotting a cutie (don't give the brain any time to start jabbering)
3. Smile on the open - this is hard for me as I usually wear a serious expression (chuckle internally at how cute she is and a smile should come out)
4. Start being a social ambassador (aka also talk to guys, groups, make introductions, etc.)
5. Face women straight-on
6. Stay in the conversation longer; keep it moving, endure silences, and don't filter content
7. Flirt in my old style (wordplay, roleplay, teasing, we're a team, etc.)
8. Make her invest (screen and qualify)
9. Listen intently and paraphrase back to people instead of talking about myself (focus on You not I)

most important ones = 1, 3, 7, 9 (smile, eye-contact, flirt, listen)
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Defining the Type of Woman I Want

Personality:

1. Supportive - Encourages me in pursuing my positive endeavors and expresses confidence in my ability to succeed. Empathizes and offers emotional support and a hug when needed. 

2. Playful - Loves to laugh, flirt, tease, be physical, and have fun.

3. Independent - Thinks for herself and handles her own shit (house, car, finances, esteem/happiness). Has her own interests and doesn't require constant contact or for me to do things for her. This requires confidence.

4. Sexually liberated - Loves sex and exploring. No hang-ups. High sex drive.

5. Intelligent/inspirational- Has unique and interesting ideas about the world along with common sense. Has a brilliant and developed skill such as dancing, singing, playing an instrument, painting, science, etc (inspiration)



Physically:


1. Foreign, mixed, or exotic-looking

2. Well-dressed and maintains appearance

3. Soft with some curvature in the ass and tits areas; a bit of baby fat is nice

4. Glowing skin and luscious lips

5. Healthy hair

Bonus: piercings
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Personal Principles in Success With Women:

1. Knowing my value - I am a catch! I know what unique and interesting qualties I bring to the table and that a woman will feel good spending time with me, so I will choose a woman who appreciates me and has somehting to offer in return.

2. Presence - Being in the moment and aware of my body and my surroundings. Realizing things are neither good nor bad, but just "are" (they just exist). tips to become present: mixer exercise or focus on sensation in my toes

3. Honest expression - Expressing my genuine personality (the good, the bad, the sexual, the vulnerable, boundaries) and what I stand for without hesitation and without apology. 

4. Leading with conviction - Giving myself permission to go after what I want and doing it with 100% conviction (half-assed attempts are weak and ineffective). Being proactive and initiating what I want instead of waiting for others to do it for me. Moving things forward.

5. Play - Interacting with women like I'm a kid playing on the playground having a blast! It's full of fun, laughing, teasing, flirting (push-pull, roleplay, entendres), touching, and free from intentions and outcomes.

6. Parners in crime - We both put in effort and benefit as a team. She has to invest as much as I do.

7. Body language - BR tonality at natural pitch. Solid but relaxed eye-contact. Taking up space with body, standing up straight with shoulders back. Long strides. Touching people on open and during conversation.
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Getting Eye-Raped - 2/15

My mind is finally returning to normal (since the increase in dosage of my medicine). I feel plugged in to the world. I feel relaxed yet alert. I feel aware. I feel like I finally have control over my thoughts. I feel normal. I'm taking an SSRI for Obsessive Complusive Disorder. I spent 2 years trying probably 50 different natural remedies and supplements which had little effect. I'm glad I decided to give antidepressents an opportunity even though I was in the group of people who hated the idea of taking anti depressants. However, sometimes they're actually beneficial. And even though I've lost about 3 years of my life, I realize that many others with OCD lose anywhere from 5, 10, even 20 years of their life because their brain is "stuck." Many of these people can't even leave their house for these 5 or 10 years so they don't receive the proper attention.

Anyway, many people stared at me today. I'm not sure exactly why. My guess is the way I was dressed (had a studded denim jacket on) as well as my body language, which was probably well tweaked by the gym session I had today. Seriously, one reason to hit the gym is that it can fix your body language (as long as your form is correct during the exercise). Also, I'm pretty sure I was smiling a lot more than I have been in the past 6 months.

Arrive at the venue for a local magazine covergirl party. This is a venue I hate with passion and I'm not very excited because I think most models are uninteresting. I end up having a blast!

There's a long ass line in which I don't want to wait. My friend and I try to go around to the back door and talk our way in. No go. But, a promoter overhears us and says he can get me in without waiting in line. BAM! Thanks Mike! P.s. You're piercings are pretty sick.

Inside, a series of interesting events occurs. Firstly, a girl working for a modelling agency scouts me. I think she's probably drunk or bad at her job because I'm not classicaly good looking, I'm average height, and I'm too skinny. Then again who knows, I do have the kind of look that with girls who do think I'm fine, they REALLY REALLY think I'm super fine. Maybe they're switching things up. She also mentions they look for photographers as well so I might give that a shot too since I'm unemployed right now.

Next I run into a girl who I briefly met at the previous covergirl party. Apparently her and her friend were wondering if they'd see us there. She's a little thick, but has an adorable face and extremely soft skin. We make out many times. I try to pull her outside so we can get more frisky, but it's a no go. I decide to turn her on more and go for the neck. SWEET SPOT! She starts groping me more. I try to move things forward again, but I don't fully commit to it. My mind is split. I can fuck the warm up or I can go talk to other girls. I want sex so I consider fucking the warm up, but eventually get really bored as she's kind of drunk. I get her number and leave her.

As I walk around the club, I have a stupid grin plastered on my face because there are so many fine ass girls here and I keep getting eye-fucked (even when I'm standing alone like a chode and even though I jerked-off twice today). In the room with the largest dance floor, one of the photographers walks up to me and asks my name. Apparently I went to middle school with her. We used to flirt all the time! She says we should grab a drink sometime, but she's too busy to swap numbers right now. I write mine down on a napkin and give it to her and tell her to call me. 

Then, my friend gets me into the VIP where most of the models are hanging out. Honestly, there are some super fine bitches up in here. I just want to lick and taste and squeeze all of them. Mmmm...

I end up winging a girl who I apparently knew in college. With her heels on she's close to a foot taller than me, but she's fine as shit! Half black half white with long flowing hair and a small waist. We finally figure out how I know her and I remember that she didn't like me because I teased her too much. I get a little bit of that vibe again. I want to apologize before I leave but can't find her. I'll see her at the finals event so I'll do it then. 

I instant make-out challenge myself briefly. No make outs but it's super funny.

My friend leaves. I realize my car got towed so I spend the night dealing with that.

Strengths:
1. Smiled a lot
2. Create a new and awesome outfit
3. Had fun and lots of great conversations

Lessons:
1. Push/lead harder when going for the pull
2. Keep smiling at people
3. Don't look around at people while in the bar or just even walking around

Gratitude:
1. I am grateful for smiling
2. I am grateful for medicine
3. I am grateful for the gym
4. I am grateful for experiences that exceed my expectations
5. I am grateful for sexy women
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