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July 25th, 2017
Beginner, 26, virgin, introverted, no social circle (whole life), getting into friend zone
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#31

charmest

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Join Date: 07/30/2012 | Posts: 350

I'll approach 5-10 girls / women. What do you guys exactly mean by "going out" ? Go out and approach any girl from til night? Or going to night club and approaching girls/women there? Going alone in night clubs would be weird but I've done it once.

@Jakro: So it'd make it if I'd say I don't know what to say but I'm attracted to the girl? or "I'm checking out sth. ..."
Actually, I try the indirect opener in daytime. That ends in the friend zone. I think, I'll combine "Rules of the Game" missions with Lieutenant's advices and DavidX, ModeOne and Mystery's Method.
So, being charismatic is the point. But how to be so, if you can't make people laugh? If at all, just make them laugh about yourself because of silly comments?
Congruent by being charismatic?

All in all: Don't I have to get a great body? BMI of 33 is much - I know. With a BMI of 24 and many muscles, I'd make better, wouldn't I? In Book of Pook, get a great body and women will approach you then. It's said, it's all about testosterone! Although the testosterone makes me aggressive and I get acne by it. But not quick-witted or humor or assertiveness!

BTW: Cause I'm partly a nice guy (being nice, friendly and cortial) and can't tease in a proper way, using negatively sarcasm: What about reading "Real World Seduction 2.0" from Swinggcat? I'm thinking of reading DYD or RWS 2.0 to lose my nice guy attitude. Nobody should be able calling me being nice any more!
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#32

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I'll approach 5-10 girls / women. What do you guys exactly mean by "going out" ? Go out and approach any girl from til night? Or going to night club and approaching girls/women there? Going alone in night clubs would be weird but I've done it once.
At the stage where you are at, do whatever works for you. If you can approach during the day do it.
If it's easier for you to approach in a club, go there.

The important thing is that you approach. 

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At the moment, my conversatons end after 2-3 sentences! [...] But yes: I wanna continue approaching women! 5-10 approaches is well. But what to talk with them? Doing compliments to them? How long should the conversation last at the first? I'm working on me.
At the stage where you are at the moment anything that's longer than 2-3 sentences is a success. The conversation should last till the girl ends the conversation.

It doesn't matter what you talk about with them. You can give girls compliement and see their reactions. You can also ask them personal question about their hobbies.
At this stage your goal isn't to attract the woman but just having conversations that are longer than 2-3 sentences. 

Once you manage to have longer conversation you can focus on building attraction, but go one step at a time. 
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#33

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Join Date: 09/22/2012 | Posts: 211

andAction wrote:

Phospher wrote:
 get a hooker, seriously.
It will low the tension when it comes to sex
Would you stop telling everyone to get a hooker? I swear that's all the advice I hear from you.

Need to lose weight? Get a hooker. Didn't land that promotion? Get a Hooker. Not enough vitamins in your diet? HOOKER.

I've noticed that a lot in any virgin threads...shits horrible
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#34
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First of all, this will not be a quick journey for you.  I can tell by your posts that you are way behind average guys in terms of social experience, and experience with girls in general.  In order to be an attractive guy, you are going to have to put yourself through hell, and completely transform who you are internally and externally.  Right now you are simply a mentally weak person, and you need to become a mentally strong person.  Women are attracted to strength, confidence, and social intelligence.  These are the things you need to build in yourself.  A man sees a problem, he finds the steps necessary to solve the problem, and then he takes actions to solve the problem.

1. You can tell you are out of shape and fat.  Solutioin: Go to the fucking gym, cut the carbs, and quit eating like shit.  Problem solved, insecurity eliminated.  Being fat also increases estrogen levels and makes you feel like an unattractive pussy, being ripped increases testosterone levels.  Don't worry about being jacked, just cut your body fat % in half so you can be average.  While getting in shape, keep going out regularly and use the negative feedback from women to motivate you to keep getting into shape.  Lift weights, hit the treadmill, eat lean meat, fruits, and veggies.

2.  You need to force yourself to socialize on a daily basis in a NORMAL way.  I suggest you sign up for martial arts classes, perhaps Jiu Jitsu or Muay Thai.  This will solve several problems for you quickly.  You will have a social circle of fellow class mates who share a hobby.  Knowing how to fight, and actively fighting grown men every day for fun will toughen your ass up quickly.  You will have something interesting to talk about.  You will get into shape.  You will become a different person.  Men are supposed to be competative and dominant, atleast the ones who actually get laid.  Anything you can do to increase this drive, will help you.  Otherwise you don't stand a chance, regaurdless of what little techniques you learn.  You need to become a man.

3.  You need to completely stop giving a fuck about other peoples perceptions of you.  Don't worry about what she thinks, because what she thinks is irrelevant.  The only thing that matters is what you think, because you are the boss and they are the subordinate.  Women are the only ones who need to worry about what others think, not you.  What you think about yourself needs to change.  If you don't think you are cool, nobody will.

4.  You need to approach as many women as possible in as short of a time as possible.  Get rejected until it doesn't even bother you and you have no fear of it.  Think of it as playing the slots in a casino with unlimited money, there are an unlimited amount of girls to talk to, but you can talk to as many as you want.  Roll the dice baby.  See the girl, if you want to fuck her, go approach.  It's as simple as that.  Adjust your approach based on your results.

5.  Eliminate all non social hobbies.  I know you are an introvert.  i know you probably like to play video games, watch tv, and surf the internet for hours.  This needs to end.  You need to go out of the house, and socialize until it becomes natural.

Ofcourse all of these things take allot of willpower, and you will probably not follow any of the above suggestions. 
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#35

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 How to become dominant and competitive if I'm not quick-witted? I do what I want and say what I think But I don't know how to block verbal attacks or take the power of verbal attacks.

I approach many. Yes, I do. But it's like the beginning of a small talk with anyone in the grocery. Approaching is possible. Nothing else. Today, I approached and ended in interview mode. The girl in front of me didn't invest anything in my wnnabe conversation. But she listened to me. As she stopped phoning she even asked me what I said. I mostly talk in public transports. Older women are easier approachable than younger ones. 
Conversations end in small talk. No seductive part. No flirting. No teasing. No attraction. No playful talking! I use situational opener. If an attractive girl is standing in front of me, I say what comes in my mind. For e.g.: Why she's standing here so alone? Or: Isn't it cold while it's snowing?
I know: Totally boring stuff. But that's my way! I don't know further! I used to go after Neil Strauss' missions of "Rules of the Game". But nowadays, I try to make it on my own! Sometimes, I interrupt someone's conversation and add something to it or ask something about it.
Attraction is my biggest lack! I need to attract women! A guy told me to do so by Humor! I've got a dry, sarcastic humor.
A guy told me, I'd have a dry humor and flirting wasn't learnable!

No, I don't play video games. I've no friends. So: Where to socialize? Approaching girls in the mall? What to talk about? Aproaching? Possible. But what after it? That's important. Yes, it is!  The only thing I could make would be small talk. So: How to go next?


Introverted means: You don't talk much. You feel weak when you get out much. If you go out and experience, you think some hours about it and about your emotions. You are sensitive. Yo utalk a lot about things you know about best. At me, it can be topics about medicine, IT, smartphones, PCs, psychology. Right: Nothing social! I'm cut off the social world. Nobody wants me. So: What to do else?
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charmest wrote:
 How to become dominant and competitive if I'm not quick-witted? I do what I want and say what I think But I don't know how to block verbal attacks or take the power of verbal attacks.

I approach many. Yes, I do. But it's like the beginning of a small talk with anyone in the grocery. Approaching is possible. Nothing else. Today, I approached and ended in interview mode. The girl in front of me didn't invest anything in my wnnabe conversation. But she listened to me. As she stopped phoning she even asked me what I said. I mostly talk in public transports. Older women are easier approachable than younger ones. 
Conversations end in small talk. No seductive part. No flirting. No teasing. No attraction. No playful talking! I use situational opener. If an attractive girl is standing in front of me, I say what comes in my mind. For e.g.: Why she's standing here so alone? Or: Isn't it cold while it's snowing?
I know: Totally boring stuff. But that's my way! I don't know further! I used to go after Neil Strauss' missions of "Rules of the Game". But nowadays, I try to make it on my own! Sometimes, I interrupt someone's conversation and add something to it or ask something about it.
Attraction is my biggest lack! I need to attract women! A guy told me to do so by Humor! I've got a dry, sarcastic humor.
A guy told me, I'd have a dry humor and flirting wasn't learnable!

No, I don't play video games. I've no friends. So: Where to socialize? Approaching girls in the mall? What to talk about? Aproaching? Possible. But what after it? That's important. Yes, it is!  The only thing I could make would be small talk. So: How to go next?


Introverted means: You don't talk much. You feel weak when you get out much. If you go out and experience, you think some hours about it and about your emotions. You are sensitive. Yo utalk a lot about things you know about best. At me, it can be topics about medicine, IT, smartphones, PCs, psychology. Right: Nothing social! I'm cut off the social world. Nobody wants me. So: What to do else?

Its not about knowing how, its about gaining experience until it clicks.  Men are not forged in class rooms, men are forged from battle, challenge, and adversity.  You need to put yourself in a situation that will force you to step up.  Women are attracted to men, because men are strong and women are weak.  Women want to feel safe and protected, and they can't feel that way with a little fucking pussy, which no offence, is what you are.  A little fucking pussy, cannot get an attractive girl under any circumstances.  So what you need to do is first, become mentally and pysically strong through some sort of trial by fire or extreme challenge that will toughen your ass up over a period of time.  An RSD bootcamp is one way to go about it, but so is learning how to physically and mentally dominate other men.  If you can dominate other men, women will fall in line.  If you are not able to dominate other men, then you are not an alpha dog and have no business having sex with attractive women.  You should instead fuck some fat girl, and be a chode.  Its shit or get off the pot,  RSD is about becomeing badass men and not about tricking women with bullshit.

1.  Are you lifting weights?
2.  Have you ever beaten the shit out of another man with your bare hands?
3.  Have you ever played a full contact sport?
4.  Have you ever verbally put somebody in their place who doesn't treat you with respect?
5.  Do you take personal responsability for every aspect of your life?

These are the habits of a guy who women are attracted to.  Develop the masculine.  it might sound like I'm telling you to become some sort of chauvanist, hypermasculine, asshole.  That's exactly what I'm telling you.  You need to develop that range of your personality.  Our entire lives we are trained to shit down, shut up, don't speak out, and submit to authority.  That is bullshit, you should do the exact opposite.
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#37

charmest

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 OK, I got it. Dominate other men means to be quick-witted. You are talking of Inner Game and great body shape = strong YOU. That's handleable. That's an objection to what others told me in this forum: They told me, it doesn't matter  if you aren't an AMOG (Alpha Male of a Group)!

Physically dominate other men: Having a strong body, height, muscles, ...
Dominate other men mentally means: Being quick-witted and having assertiveness? Then, this will be hardly possible. In the Venusian Arts forum, I was told to continue approaching. But AMOG wouldn't be necessary.

What do you do if there are so many AMOGs? I'm an Idealist. I'm my own leader. Neither people follow me (except at learning in uni) nor do I follow anyone!
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Guys at the Venusian Arts forums are a bunch of nerds who don't get laid.  Yeah you don't need to be the biggest badass in the world, but you definatelly can't be a wuss.  Mentally dominating men means that they submit to your authority.  Here is an example of what a man who is dominating subordinates mentaly.



This are the mannerisms you need to develop.  Alpha males command attention, they don't entertain or worry about wheather other people like it or not. Developing physical dominance further gives you the ability to back up your authority because you can enforce it.  Watch this for examples.

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#39
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 Listen to R&R PUA, he has offered the most value in this thread thus far.

Like he said, thisisn't going to be a quick fix and it's certainly going to hurt. Use rejection as motivation to keep improving. 
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#40

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#35 is the best post I've read in a long time on the topic, at least on this forum, and I will be referring people to it in the future.

Alec Baldwin sure is dominant in that video, but not sure he's playing the kind of role you want to have as a boss, your employees won't like you.
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