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December 6th, 2016
Notes On Levels Of Learning In Game
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Tyler

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I like the idea of 3 levels because you basically divide it into newbie, intermediate, and advanced level thinking and execution. Obviously you could have many more levels, and many of the concepts could be put in two different levels (and even the concepts themselves could be broken apart and then one would go in one level, and another in another level).

This is basically just a rough map to play around with, and you could create your own “levels” if you want.
The last point I’d like to make here is that the focus of a person at “third level” thinking wouldn’t be the same as the first. The for example the first level thinking person might benefit most from a game where they get back 20 dollars for each approach, whereas the second level person might find that it messes with their heads.

Likewise a third level person might even find the mere act of approaching screws them up because it’s not in alignment with their day to day level of intent, and so they’ll give bad advice to newbies that they should just “stop trying” and meet girls through their every day lives.

On the flipside, many guys at third level revert to first level without realizing it, and then get stuck in the biggest rut of all: “arrogance”. They’ve lost their execution of the fundamentals and so they’re really just struggling to gather the courage to approach, while telling themselves that they “always did best when they met girls just in everyday life”.

Levels Of Interaction:

LEVEL 1 (floating the damned boat)
-Trying to figure out how to open
-Trying to keep the conversation going

LEVEL 2 (creating attraction)
-Relating as a man-to-woman
-Self amusement as opposed to reaction-seeking
-Physical game
-Pointless leading
-Vocal tonality
-Playfulness and sexuality

LEVEL 3 (making it happen)
-Seeding sex for that night, or day 2 for later
-Screening for logistics
-Pulling
-Establishing meet-ups on day2s and moving these day2s to isolation and sex

Levels Of Intent

Level 1:
-Doing an approach challenge
-Doing a monthly challenge
-Playing a game (like give back 20 bucks per approach) to make yourself approach
-Generally just improving your willpower, strength to act on will and not limiting emotions

Level 2:
-Approaching based on arousal, or desire to socialize
-Approaching as an expression of inner joy and wanting to spread the party
-Acting from the understanding that this is best for both you and the girl.

Level 3:
-Acting from the core (ie: not desire to get approval, or look cool, or do what you “think” a guy is supposed to do, but you are internally aligned 100%). Peels of the onion have been stripped back, and it’s “really you” who is doing this.
-“Game” is purely an expression of you “acting through your own intentions”. You do this in everyday life, and this is just an extension of everyday life.

Levels Of Freedom From Outcome

Level 1:
-Social experiment frame (all failure is feedback)
-Building up reference experiences
-Acclimating yourself to the feeling of rejection so you can become indifferent

Level 2:
-Approaches / taking action to build momentum
-Rejection interpreted humorously

Level 3:
-Process orientation: the joy is the process itself, not the result
-Action as the basis for being present
-Realizing that there is no meaning to any of this, and you create your own meanings. It’s just for fun.

Levels Of Human Experience:

Level 1 (subsistence):
-Getting through your commute
-Paying your bills
-Etc

Level 2:
-Getting girls
-Raising a family
-Enjoying life

Level 3:
-Having the courage to stand up for principles or values that others oppose
-Self actualization
-Seeking the truth

Learning Curve:
-Bit of theory + LOTS of going out (physical / neurological)
-Theory, reading, etc. (mind)
-Meditation (beyond the mind)

Relationships:
-Codependent
-Interdependent
-Independent
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Yeah, there are def. different levels of game. 

But obviously this shit overlaps a LOT. 

Like I'm def. getting girls and enjoying my life but at the same time, I just graduated college and am working at a BRAND NEW startup with like 6 other dudes, so I'm not exactly passed the whole "Paying the bills" thing lol. 

I really like that you're laying out some of this more basic shit, so I can now define my life based on levels, I knew I was missing something ; b
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 Lmao I'm in the arrogance rut.. but I'm trying!!!! 

Arrogance makes it extremely hard to push through limiting beliefs bc you identify with getting easy reactions & not having to try
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 this is beautiful
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It's great that you are focusing on this again, especially as frustrating as it probably is for you I've been on this journey for around 5 months and have jumped leaps and bounds because of RSD and to a lesser extent some of the other programmes. But the basics are skimmed over a lot these days as there is so much rish content availabel that is being developed all of the time.

Let us know if you need help with anything
Tyler wrote:
I like the idea of 3 levels because you basically divide it into newbie, intermediate, and advanced level thinking and execution. Obviously you could have many more levels, and many of the concepts could be put in two different levels (and even the concepts themselves could be broken apart and then one would go in one level, and another in another level).

This is basically just a rough map to play around with, and you could create your own “levels” if you want.
The last point I’d like to make here is that the focus of a person at “third level” thinking wouldn’t be the same as the first. The for example the first level thinking person might benefit most from a game where they get back 20 dollars for each approach, whereas the second level person might find that it messes with their heads.

Likewise a third level person might even find the mere act of approaching screws them up because it’s not in alignment with their day to day level of intent, and so they’ll give bad advice to newbies that they should just “stop trying” and meet girls through their every day lives.

On the flipside, many guys at third level revert to first level without realizing it, and then get stuck in the biggest rut of all: “arrogance”. They’ve lost their execution of the fundamentals and so they’re really just struggling to gather the courage to approach, while telling themselves that they “always did best when they met girls just in everyday life”.

Levels Of Interaction:

LEVEL 1 (floating the damned boat)
-Trying to figure out how to open
-Trying to keep the conversation going

LEVEL 2 (creating attraction)
-Relating as a man-to-woman
-Self amusement as opposed to reaction-seeking
-Physical game
-Pointless leading
-Vocal tonality
-Playfulness and sexuality

LEVEL 3 (making it happen)
-Seeding sex for that night, or day 2 for later
-Screening for logistics
-Pulling
-Establishing meet-ups on day2s and moving these day2s to isolation and sex

Levels Of Intent

Level 1:
-Doing an approach challenge
-Doing a monthly challenge
-Playing a game (like give back 20 bucks per approach) to make yourself approach
-Generally just improving your willpower, strength to act on will and not limiting emotions

Level 2:
-Approaching based on arousal, or desire to socialize
-Approaching as an expression of inner joy and wanting to spread the party
-Acting from the understanding that this is best for both you and the girl.

Level 3:
-Acting from the core (ie: not desire to get approval, or look cool, or do what you “think” a guy is supposed to do, but you are internally aligned 100%). Peels of the onion have been stripped back, and it’s “really you” who is doing this.
-“Game” is purely an expression of you “acting through your own intentions”. You do this in everyday life, and this is just an extension of everyday life.

Levels Of Freedom From Outcome

Level 1:
-Social experiment frame (all failure is feedback)
-Building up reference experiences
-Acclimating yourself to the feeling of rejection so you can become indifferent

Level 2:
-Approaches / taking action to build momentum
-Rejection interpreted humorously

Level 3:
-Process orientation: the joy is the process itself, not the result
-Action as the basis for being present
-Realizing that there is no meaning to any of this, and you create your own meanings. It’s just for fun.

Levels Of Human Experience:

Level 1 (subsistence):
-Getting through your commute
-Paying your bills
-Etc

Level 2:
-Getting girls
-Raising a family
-Enjoying life

Level 3:
-Having the courage to stand up for principles or values that others oppose
-Self actualization
-Seeking the truth

Learning Curve:
-Bit of theory + LOTS of going out (physical / neurological)
-Theory, reading, etc. (mind)
-Meditation (beyond the mind)

Relationships:
-Codependent
-Interdependent
-Independent
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pimpyMcPimper

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Join Date: 06/25/2012 | Posts: 98

I was thinking the same thing. Although once you get to a decent level you're never going to revert back to the level of a complete newb. Also, cool post Tyler.
Brian♥ wrote:
Nice post OP :).

I def think it's not totally linear progression. Like you can, even on any given night, be throttling at any one level.
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My only modification of these levels is that you "trend in a level" on any given night and you trend more often in certain levels after enough experience.

So an advanced guy will trend in that 3rd level but can have a completely SHIT night and degress to "level 1".  But on average he is acting from that higher level place.

I don't feel like I've ever "graduated" from one level to another but have seen a SLOW and STEADY progression upwards, with SPIKES both HIGH and LOW.  Every night is different but through time they've mostly gotten better and better.
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Wow this is awesome. I defiantly sway between the intermediate and advanced levels but like cat said any given night is different. I think once you have the reference points and the mindset you will tend to stay on a certain level without having massive luls your inner game will simply register the negative and reframe certain things a lower level guy would be destroyed over. That and you know what to do as things arise.
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Very helpful. I always got confused at the RSD events when they asked "Who here is beginner / intermediate / advanced", because I'm advanced in terms of interaction, but intermediate in terms of intent, and especially freedom from outcome. This has created a concise guidepost for where to go for me actually. A very simple description of what it would it would be like at the advanced levels. Thanks.
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 This is great man. Loved the way you explained this. I've always fluctuated back and forth throughout levels and will probably continue to do so for a while. Find that macro-momentum is what has helped me go from one to the other in quick succession. 
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