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#41

Jove

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Join Date: 09/07/2011 | Posts: 253

OBAMA NEEDS TO HIRE ANTHONY ROBBINS TO GET ENERGIZED AND GET RESULTS RIGHT NOW!!!
Tyler wrote:
I think Romney just looked like he WANTED THE JOB more.

Obama honestly looked like he NO LONGER WANTS THE DAMNED JOB!

I love Obama and couldn't believe what I was seeing.

He just looks tired and "over it".  I couldn't imagine coming across so indifferent in front of 40 million people -- WHAT THE FUCK??

Staring at the moderator while Romney stares his ass down, he looked literally just BORED of the job.  Or even as if he felt GUILTY that he'd done a bad job, like a dog who pooped on the carpet.

I'd like to see an energized Obama get elected, but if he's too tired to wake up and debate Romney I can't see him doing a good job.  Romney meanwhile looks like he's HUNGRY.

I don't think Obama or Romney are that different as far as policy btw.  Romney seems pretty central as does Obama -- Romney isn't some ultra right winger and Obama is not a hardcore socialist.  There's differences for sure but I'm not seeing anything major, the country will probably succeed or fail based more off of the citizens themselves -- ie: new technologies, industries, etc.  Government just makes it sound like they're in control cause they need to get elected, as opposed to saying "You fuckers gotta do what you gotta do!"

IMO it's cool Obama wants to delve into new forms of energy and education, OTOH I like that Romney is focused on balancing the budget supporting self responsibility.  I think both could be pretty good presidents -- people say they both suck, I dunno they both seem decent to me.

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#42

xCoM

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Join Date: 07/22/2011 | Posts: 271

Significantly expanded Pell grants, which help low-income students pay for college

Expanded hate crime law in the US to include sexual orientation through the Matthew Shepard and James Byrd Jr. Hate Crimes Prevention Act

Provided stimulus funding to boost private sector spaceflight programs

Appointed nation's first Chief Technology Officer

signed financial reform law establishing a Consumer Financial Protection Bureau to look out for the interests of everyday Americans

Signed financial reform law requiring lenders to verify applicants' credit history, income, and employment status

Signed financial reform law prohibiting banks from engaging in proprietary trading (trading the bank's own money to turn a profit, often in conflict with their customers' interests)

Cut prescription drug cost for medicare recipients by 50%

Provided $12.2 Billion in new funding for Individuals With Disabilities Education Act

Appointed more openly gay officials than any other president in US history

The American Recovery & Reinvestment Act of 2009: a $789 billion economic stimulus plan

Created more private sector jobs in 2010 than during entire Bush years

Signed the Family Smoking Prevention and Tobacco Control Act, giving the FDA the authority to regulate the manufacturing, marketing, and sale of tobacco for the first time

signed New START Treaty - nuclear arms reduction pact with Russia

Signed the Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act, restoring basic protections against pay discrimination for women and other workers

Launched recovery.gov to track spending from the Recovery Act, providing transparency and allowing the public to report fraud, waste, or abuse

Signed the Children's Health Insurance Reauthorization Act, which provides health care to 11 million kids -- 4 million of whom were previously uninsured

Issued executive order to repeal Bush era restrictions on federal funding for embryonic stem cell research

Signed the Weapons Systems Acquisition Reform Act to stop fraud and wasteful spending in the defense procurement and contracting system

Ended Bush administration's CIA program of 'enhanced interrogation methods' by requiring that the Army field manual be used as the guide for terrorism interrogations

Increased minority access to capital

Established Credit Card Bill of Rights, preventing credit card companies from imposing arbitrary rate increases on customers

Health Care Reform Bill, preventing insurance companies from denying insurance because of a pre-existing condition

Health Care Reform Bill, allowing children to remain covered by their parents' insurance until the age of 26

Tax cuts for up to 3.5 million small businesses to help pay for employee health care coverage

Tax credits for up to 29 million individuals to help pay for health insurance

Expansion of Medicaid to all individuals under age 65 with incomes up to 133 percent of the federal poverty level

Require health insurance plans to disclose how much of the premium actually goes to patient care

Eliminated subsidies to private lender middlemen of student loans and protect student borrowers

Universal healthcare

As for the recession there's no right answer. And you don't know what caused it. What I can say is this, around 2008 half of the mortages were inferior and liable for default. This resulted in a misallocation of capital, loosened mortage standards, and created distortions in real estate.

Fannie Mae / Freddie Mac + banking regulations

Federal Reserve's policy of low interest rates.

Inflation-Supression policy.

I'm not going to elaborate on the reasoning, because it's too much to write out. But those are what I think caused the recession. Bush was awful as a president as well, two wars on credit. And a Dick Cheney who says "Reagan proved deficits don't matter." Yay for realist Vice Presidents.




pullnow wrote:

xCoM wrote:
I can name 101 great things this administration has done.

I'd rather have someone close to Clinton idealogy than someone with Bush idealogy. 

I'm sure 90% of Americans would, since Clinton was one of the best presidents in the last hundred years.
pullnow wrote:
If the people on this forum are any representation of the American public our nation is in some deep trouble. How can you say this election is meaningless or Romney and Obama are all the same? Our nation is about to embark on two extremely different paths. Of course, neither politician is going to release their specific plans yet. Of course, there is tons of rhetoric from each side. This has been the case every single election. The thing is however is that Obama is so radical compared to what our nation was founded on. Our founding fathers warned of wealth redistribution, government power, greedy partisan political motives.

If Obama is re-elected our nation is going to be in deep despair. I can name a 101 terrible things this administration has done. The amount of fraud, collusion, empty promises, partisanship, ridiculousness, misrepresentation, debt, and embarrassment is through the roof. I can go on a statistical, factual, and fair rant if y'all please. Why does nobody know about these events? Because the media has done a terrible job reporting the facts. Every one of Obama's slips goes unreported and withdraws from the news like a fish in the sea. I believe Obama is trying to make us like Europe and is also attempting to build a massive voting block of people dependent on government. I think it's terrible how Obama has taken advantage of the American people who don't know any better. There's a reason why the news is written on a 7th grade level.... I understand why Obama was elected in the first place. When you promise uneducated voters and promise them free this and that and help as well as promise that it's going to cut the debt in half you're going to win voters. Obama said he would cut the debt in half form $10 trillion to $5 trillion. He raised it by $5.5 trillion, that's a misestimation by $10.5 trillion. Can you say over optimism? At the time he said this (back in 08), it was impossible (100% impossible) to do just that. He continually said that the debt is from paying back Bush's war but everyone knows that the previous presidents budget goes out of term 9 months into the new presidency. Bush's debt is still in accounts payable included in our debt. Bush was hammered for wasteful spending when he spent $3 trillion in 8 years on our safety because of 911. How is this wasteful compared to Obama's $5.5 trillion in 3.5 years spent on Solyndra, an extremely failed stimulus, foreign companies, and welfare? 47% of our country now receives government assistance!!! that's up 70% from when Bush was president!!! Unemployment is up and doesn't even factor in the amount of people who have left the workforce entirely (most likey because you can receive up to $15,000 from the government through unemployment benefits!). GDp has been at a static 1.2% growth per year. 46.7 million people now receive food stamps. Yikes! His entire cabinet is filled with dangerous radicals (I can go through each one if you please). He has lied to the American people and covered up many of his policies and actions. He has increased governments power and shoved many faulty policies down our throats.

The list goes on and on. I can prove each one of these points and have many many more to boot. We should take it from most every European nation minus Germany and Sweden that this Keynesian model has NEVER worked. If Obama receives another 4 years we're going to go down this path. People are not smart these days and are not capable of thinking critically. The reasons people have posted for their political decisions rests on emotions, faulty advice from the media, parents, culture, academia, etc, and partisan beliefs. I agree that most elections are between a douche and a turd but we need to remember what America was founded on and why we were the #1 nation for many many years. We're not the 14th most free nation and we have the highest corporate tax rate in the world yet people beg for more because of how nice government "assistance" is. You have to ask yourself where is Romney going to take us vs Obama. The paths are strict and couldn't be any more mutually exclusive.

This is the most brief I could get. I have far too many facts and stats to prove how this administration has ruined, embarrassed, and changed our nation for the worse.



Then name a few! And they better not be any little tiny targeted constituent agenda policies. From what you just read of mine how in the world would you rather choose Obama over Bush. Do you have no clue what's going on? Would you rather have 7.3% unemployment or over 8% for 85 weeks? Would you rather have less than $4 trillion in debt over the course of 9 years or $5.5 trillion in 3 and a half? Would you rather be making $54,000 a year or $50,000? Would you rather pay $3.96 a gallon or $2.83? Answer those for me and if you choose the latter each time then I suppose Obama is your candidate.

And one thing for all of you people saying Bush was the cause of the financial collapse, how did he cause it? I'm not pro bush but I'm curious to hear the answers. I certainly know what caused it.

Liberals vote on emotion and lousy scripted rants they mimic from their leaders, that or they love freebies. I commend some of their causes but many are far to radical and costly without any proven results. Obama is certainly not the closest thing to Clinton. Clinton understood before all social programs the economy comes first. Also, both hillary and Bill have denounced Obama on a couple of occassions.

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#43

RihannaDeservedIt

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Join Date: 10/02/2012 | Posts: 26

 I don't vote because while my vote does count, it doesn't make a significant difference. My time is more important to me. Democracies are overrated. People are too stupid to comprehend most of the issues. If everyone was educated on tax law, both parties would be forced to cut spending and reduce the deficit and use taxpayer dollars more efficiently.
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#44

Legend.Airy

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Join Date: 02/26/2012 | Posts: 91

 [=rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.292969)] It's hard to believe so many ppl on RSD like Obama.  RSD preaches individual achievement, that the individual is of the highest importance. You can't run around quoting Ayn Rand and then say "I like OBAMA"..although I'm not voting for either one..I can't stand anyone who infringes on the rights of THE INDIVIDUAL..btw I've heard Tyler say this before about OBAMA..just can't understand why, because Tyler is a very smart guy[/]
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#45

Nathan~

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Join Date: 10/14/2011 | Posts: 84

He actually HAS met with Tony Robbins before.

Jove wrote:
OBAMA NEEDS TO HIRE ANTHONY ROBBINS TO GET ENERGIZED AND GET RESULTS RIGHT NOW!!!
Tyler wrote:
I think Romney just looked like he WANTED THE JOB more.

Obama honestly looked like he NO LONGER WANTS THE DAMNED JOB!

I love Obama and couldn't believe what I was seeing.

He just looks tired and "over it".  I couldn't imagine coming across so indifferent in front of 40 million people -- WHAT THE FUCK??

Staring at the moderator while Romney stares his ass down, he looked literally just BORED of the job.  Or even as if he felt GUILTY that he'd done a bad job, like a dog who pooped on the carpet.

I'd like to see an energized Obama get elected, but if he's too tired to wake up and debate Romney I can't see him doing a good job.  Romney meanwhile looks like he's HUNGRY.

I don't think Obama or Romney are that different as far as policy btw.  Romney seems pretty central as does Obama -- Romney isn't some ultra right winger and Obama is not a hardcore socialist.  There's differences for sure but I'm not seeing anything major, the country will probably succeed or fail based more off of the citizens themselves -- ie: new technologies, industries, etc.  Government just makes it sound like they're in control cause they need to get elected, as opposed to saying "You fuckers gotta do what you gotta do!"

IMO it's cool Obama wants to delve into new forms of energy and education, OTOH I like that Romney is focused on balancing the budget supporting self responsibility.  I think both could be pretty good presidents -- people say they both suck, I dunno they both seem decent to me.

Tyler

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#46

pullnow

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Join Date: 07/03/2012 | Posts: 478

1.)The Pell Grants- This is a commendable project, and the merit is certainly there.However, only 40% of those receiving pell grants earn a college degree. Even further, of those the average graduating time is six years. We are wasting $40 billion annually on a project with a massive failure rate.

2.)The whole created more private sector jobs than Bush and Reagan is the biggest lie i've ever heard come out of Stephanie Cutter's mouth. I remember the day I saw that, I had to look up what she was distorting. No distorting, a bold lie. The Obama administration is counting the jobs since i think around February of 10. So they discounted two years of the job loss. That's around 29 months of job growth resulting in a net gain of 4.5 million private sector jobs. If you do the same method from the worst depression point followed by the monthly gains since Bush gained 4.7 milion jobs in t he 29 months after Juy 2003. Reagan gained 8 million jobs in 29 months after 1982 December.

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The American Recovery & Reinvestment Act of 2009: a $789 billion economic stimulus plan- Which was supposed to have 90% private sector creation. Instead it gained 95% government jobs. I guarantee you the government doesn't need any more workers. There all a bunch of pinheads as it is. Each job costed the government nearly $278,000.
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#48

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#49

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pullnow wrote:
2.)The whole created more private sector jobs than Bush and Reagan is the biggest lie i've ever heard come out of Stephanie Cutter's mouth. I remember the day I saw that, I had to look up what she was distorting. No distorting, a bold lie. The Obama administration is counting the jobs since i think around February of 10. So they discounted two years of the job loss. That's around 29 months of job growth resulting in a net gain of 4.5 million private sector jobs. If you do the same method from the worst depression point followed by the monthly gains since Bush gained 4.7 milion jobs in t he 29 months after Juy 2003. Reagan gained 8 million jobs in 29 months after 1982 December.


You are so inconsistent, your biases come out pretty blatantly. You're blaming Obama for using job numbers from Feb 2010 instead of 2 years prior. As in, Feb 2008 when he was still running for president? You said yourself that until the first 9 months of the first term he's not even using his own budget, so that takes him to Oct 2009. So yeah assuming you're not lying about the numbers, he's out by a few months. But do you think Obama's policies are really to blame for job losses? Or maybe it was the crippling recession that was already taking place?

I don't know how you can even discuss this stuff with a straight face and say shit like that. I could contest more of your wall of text but I've gotta head to bed.
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Tyler

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IMO the biggest misrepresentation of the election is the candidates talk about what they're "going to do" -- when in fact it's what they'd THEORETICALLY DO IF CONGRESS WOULD PASS THE BILLS.

Ultimately they still have to get their ideas through congress, which in Obama's case didn't happen a lot of the time.

The end result of the country in 4 years will probably be pretty similar whether Obama or Romney are voted in IMO.  I think they're both pretty centrist but just pretend otherwise to pander to their bases.

I also think they're both decent presidents, I'm not down on them like a lot of people are.  They have to "play the game" like anyone in a position of power, but overall I think they both would do a good job.

Tyler
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