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December 7th, 2016
Julien Good Drama vs. Self Generating Drama
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Viciousskills

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I'm really starting to get into Julien's new drama Content Cuz, lets be real, the results aren't matching the expectations so its time for a better game plan.

What is Drama? In a few words, Drama is a tool used to explore and express human feeling.
Basically, drama is a tool used to triggers emotions with in people, its not the drama that people are addicted to its the emotions they feel that are addicting.

So what makes Drama good or bad. Well first, it depends on the position you take in the drama. Are you on the offense or the defense? Is the drama a conspiracy between you and the girl or is this pertaining to a group of people? Are you Creating Drama or is the Drama Self Generating?

From a pimping perspective, Bad drama is anything that is not generated by you. Let me give an example, I recently hooked up with this girl that apparently knows a few people that I'm friends with. It starts off with, "did you tell mike we hooked up?" and then leads to "he told tasha and now i look like a slut". This is exactly the kind of drama you want to stay away from, because this is where you find yourself in a defensive position, you now have to explain yourself for your indiscretion, and there are multiple people providing the emotional juices. Therefore, you cannot be the grounding energy in the chaos because you are part of the chaos. You are by default reacting to external events.

This is the problem with self generated drama. You always end up on the wrong end of it. There are always multiple people feeding on and contributing to the emotional juices.

Now lets talk about the good drama. What are the foundations of good drama.

Good Drama is anything where there is a ball of emotions between just you and the girl. She is being reactive to something you said or did. You are in the control frame because you are providing the emotional juices. You are dictating the rhythm of the interaction. You are more sure of yourself then she is.

Here's how its done,

Emotional Spikes (this is where you create strong emotions very quickly and get her reacting to you)
--> Blowing things out of proportion
               Basically anything outrageous that make her question the morality of the story.
                     You tell her a graphic story about "killing a cat"
                          Beating a homeless Man

--> Making Accusations (the "you fucked up" frame)
          You call her Immature, Pathetic
               You call her Insecure
                     You yell at her for being Dumb
                          Desperate for Attention
                                Bar Star
                                      Dog
                                           Bitch
                                               Slut
                                                   Cunt

Bouncing back from crossing the line. So this is one of the key things that Julien Covered in his last video.

1. Just Apologize for crossing the line

2. Scramble Her RAS
Remember: Women Have The Attention Span Of An Ant. What ever is in front of her at any moment is her reality. Not her friends behind her, Not what you said 10 seconds ago, Just Right now. 
So like julien said, you are going to need to switch around a bunch of different emotions to get her Mind off of the Emotional Spike.

--> Touching Insecurities (Now this might seem a little vicious to certain people but dude, bitches are always beating on us for our insecurities so lets not be over sensitive here)
                 How old are you?
                       What do you do? (Puts her on her toes, even if she is successfull)
                             Are you always this aggressive?
                                  You been hitting the gym?
                                       A Comment about her Appearance
                                            Height
                                                 Skin(make up)
                                                      Hair

Why most guys will never even try playing around with drama….

1. Most guys won't even try creating drama because it requires putting your own ass on the line, Consciously putting yourself into very uncomfortable situations and then learning to deal with the tension. She can come back and tear your self esteem to shreds. She can call you a midget, ugly, fat, insecure, desperate for attention, Bitch, Dumb.
2. It requires having attention put on you and being able to deal with a lot of tension in the set and staying on top of it.
3. many will try it once or twice and just decide its too difficult and rationalize why they wont continue
--> just remember this skill is Vicious, and it might take some time to learn effectively.

PS. The only purpose for creating drama is to Get Her Reacting To You, Thats it. She's not going to drop top her knees and start sucking your dick if you create drama, but it will put you in a position where you can lead her towards the pull.

Julien feel free to give your thoughts…….
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edit: shit, wrong trread, lol. my apologies to the op.
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Great post OP
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Drama is the new CockyFunny. Will lead guys to have endless pain in their asses.
We should add that some girls need less drama than others. And some girls simply need it intensively.
So, if you start creating drama left and right as a magic pill girls will run away from you. Use in moderation I'd say, find out how much she needs. Then go full force if needed.
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The only purpose for creating drama is to Get Her Reacting To You, Thats it. She's not going to drop to her knees and start sucking your dick if you create drama. Its just a tool in the Breaking Rapport Tool Kit.....it will put you in a position where you can lead the interaction towards the pull.
besserwisser wrote:
Drama is the new CockyFunny. Will lead guys to have endless pain in their asses.
We should add that some girls need less drama than others. And some girls simply need it intensively.
So, if you start creating drama left and right as a magic pill girls will run away from you. Use in moderation I'd say, find out how much she needs. Then go full force if needed.
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Thanks fellas
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GREAT TOPIC! THANKS ALOT! I GO TEST INFIELD TODAY!

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Cool post Vicious - probably getting a 1000 props from rsdnation with your cosign from jeffy and tyler which is sweet.

Many well written notes made throughout your post on "drama" and its proper use.
The one thing I took and feel all readers should understand from reading this is that the best "drama" occurs, or "drama" is most constructive when you are primarlily the grounded force behind dictating the girls emotions, scrambling her RAS, and essentially making her react to you.
----> Grounded meaning: you are comfortable and understand the implications of what you just said to the girl.

However, girls sometimes-most of the time- - will not respond well to being forced into reacting to a stranger or friend even at night.  We are well aware they don't like being cornered and why should they? This is normal a repsonse from the opposite sex when drama or polarity implemented on your part takes place in the interaction.  My advice is for those who run into "bitch shields" or issues after telling a girl they just arrived from sodomizing a cat, accusing them of  sucking the black bouncers dick in the bathroom, and/or after asking the girl if she is legally a midget is the very next pivotal step that needs to take place - which is   Calibration, calibrate, && calibrate.  (I prefer calling it a demonstration of understanding but its all the same)

Thus , my post wants to highlight the power of exhibiting to the girl that you have a greater reality and understanding of how interactions occur between the opposite sex - which Visciousskills mentioned quickly.  After putting drama to work in your favor - ""1. Just Apologize for crossing the line" --- and yes that will pretty much cover your tracks if you find yourself in a  hostile sitatuation. nevertheless, it's merely an attempt to communicate to the girl the obvious - that "you're sorry."

((This is totally totally fine.))  I just happen to feel that this is a little basic and beginener.  and before moving forward i just wanna say for the record - I still use the "haha just kidding" it in heated situations when it's like yo it's getting hot in here.

"Sorry" states the obvious and will keep you in the game; however, during the past few months I've noticed my ability to calibrate, understand, and tackle most social situations without saying "sorry" is my strongest strongest asset in what we call game.  . It's interesting how unusually capable I've become at taking a girl from a place of awkwardness, insecurity, and aggression in these drama situations. To within split seconds, she is seeing my point of view, on my team, and embracing what I have to say or where I'm coming from. (she's basically in my head and knows exactly how I feel about everything that just happened between us"

The question is how the fuck do I do this? because my interactions kind of just continues like i just said  "sorry -but not sorry."  without stating any of that.

A better way to let the girl know you're "sorry" but not sorry at the same time can be illustrated through this example

Me: yo i have this blow up doll that looks like you in my closet.
Her: wtf? creep.?! --(hostile response ovbisouly)

This may seem like a rejection or an issue, but this is actually an oppurtunity for you to show the girl how fucking icey and well put-togehter you are.
At this moment just: pick one of these
***Look at her with a sadistic smile or icey eye contact that understands you have crossed the line and it's okay bc you were messing with her **
**Look at her like smiling and shiz with icey eye contact  saying to yourself is this crazy? - ovbiously my blow up doll is a man.***
**Look at her with a  gay smile or icey eye contact bc she just reacted exactly how you would expect falling for your mousetrap**

KEYWORD : SMILE . you don't always have to but when you're trying this shit out first time that's your best bet.
and if you do this correctly - you don't even have to say anything pertaining to the situation - you can just move the interaction forward wherever you want it to go.

Okay - so literally inside your body, after she calls you a "creep" - you have to feel comfortble. (or confident- the problem when you tell guys to feel confident is dudes go out there acting like dicks and just get into frame battles with birdies because their pointless egos get in the way - so i say comfortable to be) pressing these buttons for you to sub communicate that this is all good and normal fun.  Welcome her to your reality in with this glance and moment.
And quite frankly - unless her father left her mother for a junkie blowup doll when she was young - you should be fine by just calibrating the situation down to the simple fact that like yo "its cool we're just having fun"

Which is what I would actually say after she calls me a creep also - "like omg lol it's cool we're just having fun"
She'll just be like wtf and move forward bc we know girls attention spans are like ants nutsacks.

SOooOoooo - Trying to articulate how to convey proper sub communications is a to say the least so I'll just try to tye this up quick.

Again - (im contradicting myself like a mofo) apoligizing works just fine in any situation. Like a defualt opener-   But the "buying temperture" on the girl gets
 wet wet when this kind of sub-communication or calibration of greater understanding occurs after dropping some icey shit.

"Land the plane" I believe julien calls it.
This has been my favorite part of game - taking girls from a hostile place in the interaction to the hook point immedietly, its like im playing magic the gathering again what's going on?


Trying to write up exact ways to demonstrate proper sub communications is a - borderline impossible without reference experince, so get out there and try it everywhere.  Not even just in the club with girls.  When you're at the counter buying ciggeretes and the dildo behind the counter gives you an attitude - respond in the same tone like he just complimented the shit out of you.  When your boss at work tells you to get off your phone say "yes sir" in the most positive never gonna do it again way. When you're mom acts a fool because she's getting a little bit older just look at her like she just said you're so handsome and say "yo- you are totally entitled to your opinion and I respect and love that."  This is frame control at it's finest and when put together appropriately with drama, polarity, and any other shit - I think it's one the most important important vital componets of your game.  Plus it's fun mind fucking those who respond to you negatively by responding to them more positively than anyone they've seen this week.

This is the real shit, learn it in some way,  because it took me like  2 years maybe 3 years now (shitt) I was terrible.  Cool - but terrible. and now I'll be well off for a long time.
side note - God damn there's so much value in all of you fuckers.

So if you guys want my *bread and butter lines* to handle hostile responses or rejections from girls as I'm sure some of you are hitting the forumsssss doingg to cap off my first post this is how I handle them:

I will either *smile*, *act indifferent*, or *find some sort of amusement in the interaction that will cause me to enjoy it*
*I mean if she fucks me up I might cry and laugh at the same time bc it's all in good fun*

and then I will say something like this:

"it's cool we're just having fun"
"haha don't worry about it"
"no worries have a good night"
or my favorite line simply "babygirl?"   --> this 1 clearly lets the girl know you're fucking with her and puts you in a pimp frame by not taking yourself too seriously.
etc.

Careless understanding and calibration after girls experince some of my playfullness, drama, or polarity is my mother fucking shit right now and I hope this makes sense and/or helps someone who reads it . peace sorry for the hijck viciouss. good day to all.
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Good Stuff!
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