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December 10th, 2016
Do you think there may be a layer of women unreachable by cold-approach PU?
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Johnny Depp

Johnny Depp

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Join Date: 02/14/2011 | Posts: 77

Cliff notes:
People in nightclubs are a very skewed demographic, and while they are undeniably perfect as training wheels, going out 7 nights a week probably overblows this part of your life too much, leading to weird beliefs that should be left in the nightclubs.
There is a huge layer of girls that is completely filtered out by PUAs' RAS, because they stay in their comfort zone of "being outside of social conditioning narratives" and never ever impressing anyone.
I am interested in a discussion on getting these girls.

Longer version:
1) In my social cirle, most girls go to nightclubs very rarely (like, they can remember EVERY occasion they went to a club). There is a small minority that NEVER went to a nightclub, and also a small minority that goes out regularly (which for them is once a month or so).
In that same demographic, most girls consider "guys from street" dumb and thus a waste of their time. They have had guys approach them during daytime, which always ended in a polite dismissive "Haha but no" as Jeffy calls it.
2) Going out to nightclubs 7 nights a week for multiple years may be beneficial for various reasons, but it extremely overblows what is naturally a tiny part of "normal people"s lives. Consequently, this leads to skewed set of reference experiences and thus skewed perception of women and their dating strategies.
Consider Tyler, who is obviously a very independent-thinking and well-rounded person. In his recent vid “What should girls do to lock down a successful guy”, the women he described are completely “bottom of the barrel” (intelligence-wise, not looks-wise). I doubt I know a single hot girl that likes to get wasted in clubs instead of trying to lock a cool guy in a relationship. Yet in Tyler’s version of reality, that seemed to be the norm.
3) There is a well-known concept in psychology called "assortment theory", saying that our behaviors unconsciously and automatically screen for the corresponding behaviors in other people. In other words, if you act like the only thing you want is sex, you will get sex (and only sex). Which is cool, as long as you don’t stay under the illusion that all girls want sex. There are many girls that want a committed relationship and are absolutely capable of being faithful and "making guys wait", except they can't be encountered in nightclubs, particularly not when you're "beasting on hoes" and anything that doesn't fit the reality of "I'm the shit" is instantly dropped out by your RAS.

Adding 1+2+3, it seems to me that cold-approach PU has a very limited range of applicability. Make no mistake: cold approach fucking awesome to use as training wheels, and it is the single most important factor that helped me lead the sex life I lead right now within my social circle.
But it's funny how popular is the mantra of "getting outside your comfort zone", which guys try this shenanigan after another, and yet they ultimately stay in their little comfort zone of "beiging outside social conditioning", afraid to look try hard by god-forbid-trying-to-impress-someone.
Seriously, how about stopping "training to be good with women in general" and starting "being good with women that are actually cool", which for me includes having some willpower over their emotions, choices and behaviors.
What do you guys think?
Comments about me being a chode are appreciated only if you actually interact with women a lot (either through nightclubs or social circle, would be interesting to compare perspectives).
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Ballgames

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Join Date: 07/25/2011 | Posts: 2584

Focused on the wrong stuff.

Focus on who IS receptive (which just so happens, in this case, to be almost everyone)

But yes- I would not waste my time with lesbians.
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Hustla

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Ever heard of daygame?
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Powercat

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More brainwashed matrix thinking just resistance to make you stay at home and not approach because of a "secret layer".. Come on dude even if its true how will that help you. Even the very few women who never go out still enjoy meeting new people like any human being so no they're not immune to cold approach. Those same girls you're talking about DO go out and they will go home with a guy like me or fuck me in the bathroom 5 minutes after meeting me. They just won't tell you about it.
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Get Bizzy

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Whoa man you are misled... I wanted to post a funny picture but this shit is serious. Can a professional get in this and help him?

Ah screw it I'll put a funny pic anyway



ITS TOO DAMN HIGH!! hahaha
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#5

agentdoublej

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 I kinda understand what your getting at a little.I do agree that night club girls are a small percentage of women.Even though instructors are no doubt pimps i often wonder if because they live an unusual life (traveling all the the time and going to night clubs every night) if they kinda have their blinders on to regular society.

I mean can you really get a good understanding of the female population doing your studying mostly in clubs?
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renewed

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 Women want sex man. You may have to go about it a different way for someone running a cupcake bakery than a night club but the bottom line is the only thing holding them from humping your leg is social pressures. Give them their biological needs (physical and mental) and get past their defense mechanisms (social pressures) and they are all the same. 
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VentureEinsen

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Ofcourse. Good luck fucking Angelina Jolie (in her prime) from cold approach.
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Gravity

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 yeah because you know being a cool guy that cracks jokes and is generally a good time to be around is TOTALLY not what "sophisticated women" want.
hell i can't tell you the amount of times ive heard girls say: "hey you remember that time we met that guy and we had a lot of FUN, i FUCKING HATE HAVING FUN, ITS THE WORST OMGGG!"
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Tyler

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Yeah there's some girls who will simply make you wait.

btw the vid about girls in Hollywood -- like I mentioned in the intro it was meant for a "specific subset" of women -- and I also travel outside of Hollywood all the time.  So I'm familiar with both types of women, and know how to seduce both.

But that said, be careful of deluding yourself that the girl is any different, in the sense that you may not close her when you should.

I've had girls who made me wait, and I simply got around this by literally staying with them for several days -- like having them sleep over at my house until they're ready to fuck (happened twice this year).

So they may need more time, but I can get around this by showing them I'm patient, but staying on their asses until we have sex.

Tyler
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mikevick07

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this is metal masturbation, ALL girls are the same when you hit them on that emotional level, I don't care if it was Mother Teresa
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