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Pugin

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Join Date: 11/10/2008 | Posts: 46

 So I was in the game for about a year, then I got a girlfriend for a few years. Now I'm back.

I've been going out with Gameboy a lot recently, there tends to be a lot of choding around but eventually we get going. This week we tried a different tackt, rather than just going out Friday and Saturday night we've been out for a few hours during the week too.

Wednesday
We meet up, bounce around a few bars. Gameboy opens a few girls but all I manage to do is a half arsed open on a moving set. We see a guy in one bar hitting on every girl in there (it's a quiet bar so it's obvious). After a bit we realised he's playing cards with a mate facing the entrance so he can see any new girls walk in, after a few mins he just puts the cards down and walks over to the new girls. We were impressed, why bother trying to find busy bars when you can just find a place with decent turn over and stay there for a few hours? We might be borrowing that guys game plan some time soon :)

Thursday
We meet up, bounce around a few bars. Gameboy opens a little but not as much, I've got crazy bad AA. We finally decide to give up and go see our other friends for some sheesha when I suddenly grow some balls. On the way out there's a pair of girls, one HOT, one NOT. I open:
Me: Hi, I'm just leaving but I think you're stunning. What's your name?
Her: Pardon?
I'm not use to projecting my voice like I used to, when I had to repeat myself I faltered and didn't manage to recover. I could have pushed it harder but I stayed in for a good few mins and then went for sheesha.

Friday
I'd had a terrible day at work, I hate my job normally but today was particularly bad.
Tried out a new style, did my usual Friday trick of unwinding at my local pub before heading out. I was 50/50 on the clothes when I left home, I've lot weight recently so the clothes didn't quite fit right. I walk into my local and one of the girls just says "Pugin, you look really good - I didn't recognise you for a second". The next four people I meet all say something similar - the night was starting well :)

DocHolliday dropped me a text at about 10:15 to let me know he was in town. I set off to meet him and it starts raining so I take shelter near the first bar. While I'm there some guys are chatting, obviusly out on the pull - one of them's had a few to many already and starts questioning why I'm waring braces (the style I'm waring is kind of 50's of duty bartender - it includes braces). I say they're part of the outfit. He keeps going, I play it cool but deep down he's starting to get to me. His mates come to my aid, then he say's I'm good looking but the braces make me look gay. It clicks - his clothes, the muscles, the fact he's already trashed at 10pm - he wishes he could try and be himself but doesn't have the balls. I stop being bothered by him and his mates whisk him away.

Gameboy and DocHolliday turn up together - they happened to shelter in the same doorway! We all head in together, start chatting and choding. I see a few girls that I want to open but my AA kicks in and I stay in our chode crystal. a DocHolliday says we're not leaving until we've all opened. They both open, so I force myself to do it. Downstairs a girl looks at me, I open - it's like the most half arsed set I've done, she hardly talks, I bail. Back upstairs with the guys we get final drink before heading to the next bar. A cute blonde walks past, I grab her:
Me: hi, Im Pugin. Who are you?
Girl: I'm Racheal
Me: Awwe - not another one!
I turn my back on her, she walks off. Two out of the last 4 girls I've slept with have been called Racheal. For some reason the name now turns me off.

We hit a few more bars, we're having an amazing time but my AA comes back with avenging. I started doubting myself and while I'm trying I'm getting less and less success when opening. Every word I said to a girl seemed to come from a place of neediness. I give up on opening and go back to having fun, suddenly girls start opening up again but none of them go anywhere. It was an awesome night out but I still go home kicking myself for letting my AA get the better of me.

Saturday
Gameboy and I hit a student night. I'm totally in my head so we decide to dance and pump ourselves up a bit. There is a girl stood nearby looking at us, but I can't tell which of us so I say hi. Turns out Gameboy opened her while I was in the bathroom earlier, she was waiting for him to open her a second time. I hand her over to find my own girl. The next hour is me attempting to open and failing. I'm not in state - it's all fake and the girls can tell. I'm slowly dying inside. Eventually I give up, nothing is happening tonight I can feel it.

Then I see a cute girl, she looks lost. I say hi. She's lost her friends and I've lost Gameboy so we go looking for them. She starts off ahead, screw that - I get in front and reach behind to grab her hand. Instead she slips her arm though mine and we walk around arm in arm. We find Gameboy in the smoking area. One of her friends comes to say hi, he's pretty cool - there's some good banter going on (mostly at the girls expense). I say we're off to another area of town soon, she says she loves that area. Gameboy mentions we'll be grabbing sheesha after that - she says she likes sheesha too. We're hugging, arms round each other, even whispering little things to each other so her friend and Gameboy can't hear. I choke - the girl is giving me all the signs that she wants me to close and I don't even think to invite her or get her number!

We leave and it suddenly hits me. What an idiot I was! I spend the rest of the night having fun but kicking myself inside for being so dumb. I didn't even open another set.

So it looks like after a three year gap in the game; my AA is worse than it's ever been (I used to have zero AA) and I've lost the ability to close (I once managed to extract for sex in under 10mins).... this might take a while to get back on track.
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 Thursday
I met up with Gameboy again, we both choded around for a few hours. After that we headed over for our weekly Sheesha session. I didn't open but it did build a bit of fury in me.

Friday
Just as I started to get ready I was suddenly hit with the need to sleep. I've done a full week at work plus a about 5 hours overtime this week. I hit the gym at lunch today with bench press, shoulder press, squats and bicep curls. After work I fired off 60 kettlebell swings (24kg) and then did a 2km interval run. There is possibility I overdid the exercise today!

My aims for the night are to open and to plough/escalate.

Anyway, I hit the meet up bar before anybody else. I'm crazy tired and consider some redbull but remember that caffeine doesn't wake me up - it just stops me sleeping. I need to get a conversation going if I'm going to wake up. instead I go to the bar for a soft drink. While I'm there a girl approaches me and asks if I'll buy her a drink because her friends have dared her. She's asking the wrong guy, I'm skint! We banter for a bit and eventually I give in. I offer to buy her the same drink I'm having if she kisses me. She does, then she asks what I'm drinking. turns out it has to be an alcoholic drink - sucks to be her! She moves on. I'm no longer sleepy.

I chode around head downstairs. After a few mins I see Dreadski ordering a drink and Gameboy turns up a few seconds later. For some stupid reason I decide to check my works email on my phone because I'm waiting for authorisation on some expenses. My job is the largest cause of stress in my life - talk about self sabotage! Needless to say the email is full of bullshit - now I'm pissed off.

Gameboy opens a cute girl, turns out they usually hang out at my local pub so he pulls me in. I banter a bit but it doesn’t go well... at least I'm a little less in my head. We start going upstairs and a girl gives me some really good eye contact, I go upstairs...

'fuck this, it's time for some action' I think - dancing time. Some girls pull Dreadski in to dance, then they pull me in. I grab the girl, spin her, spin both of us, grab the next girl spin her a few times, spin us both together, grind on her ass in a really cheesy way. These girls are all about 30 with average looks, they love it. the guys and I dance together for a bit then go for a wonder. Average but fat girl - Claw - "hey, who are you?"... The conversation is a garbled mess, she take me to the bar to buy me a drink. She's really horny, I promised myself I'd escalate.... I make out with her. The guys are watching, I flip them the bird. We keep making out... I've not gotten laid in a month, my brian flicks through all the places I could take her for quick and dirty sex. Then I remember that I'm not actually attracted to her. SHIT! How do I get out of this with being a total asshole!? I look for the guys to save me.... they've vanished. Where are her friends? Crap, I don't even know who she's with! I start panicking We're still making out while I'm thinking about this. Her friends turn up to cock-block (in a rather nice way actually). Damn! I've never been so happy to be cock-blocked in my life!

Dreadski is dancing - I join him. See a girl, grab, spin, intent, more spin - she's not into it,. Grab her friend, spin, more spin, not into it either. Look behind me - more girls, more spinning, more intent - not going anywhere. Then like three good songs in a row come on so I dance with Dreadski. Gameboy joins us and shortly after we leave. On the way out I see the girl that made eye contact earlier. She makes eye contact again, I genuinely smile and mouth "hi" at a distance - she lights up... I leave. What the hell is wrong with me? Am I afraid of success or something?!?!

The next bar is dead. Then we hit a really grimy bar, dark and nasty. A girl grabs my braces I grab her arm and open. She prangs my braces - I prang her bra strap (fair's fair), we banter, she’s not hot. Plough for a bit and leave. A few more sets but nothing special. Getting lots of looks from guys, the place is a bit ghetto, they probably think I'm gay.... after a while we leave.

Street game! I see a really cute girl, obviously not on a night out, waiting for somebody. She holds eye contact as I pass, as far as I'm concerned she just opened me. I say hi, we chat - she's a club photographer (so am I). She's waiting for a lift off her dad... who turns up before I get a chance to number close. Gutted!

50 meters away is another cutie, I open - it doesn't go anywhere, no intent, no sexuality to the conversation. I see a hotter girl, open... totally fumble my words (no idea why, she's hot but not that hot). I don;t even bother ploughing this one, the guys have vanished so I head to the next bar. A few more sets but nothing goes anywhere.

Next bar, I head to the toilet - spend like 10 mins bantering with some dude in the toilets. We're joking about girls and rather politically incorrect things. I open a few sets but still nothing goes (except the fatty that I wing on - fricking fatties! why aren't all girls that easy?). I see a girl, eye contact but I chode out. By the time I decide to go over there is already a group of three guys around her. The AA comes back with avengance! By the time I'm over it she's already gone. The final set before we leave and it doesn't go anywhere.

Outside I mis-hear a conversation.
me "did somebody mention salad fingers?"
girl "yes! salad fingers!"
me "haha, I didn't think anybody still watched that - did you ever see monkey dust?"
girl "no"
We chat. nothing happens, her friends have vanished and she goes looking for them. Right then sleep hits me like a brick. I'm done. The night is over. it was excellent, even if I didn't pull.

Positives from the night:
I opened a LOT (no idea how many sets - 15? maybe 20?
I fought off being really tired to do it

Learning points
All my good sets came from strong, firm opens - often involving the claw. Need to start sets strongly in the future.
I need to show some more intent from the start.

Thanks to Ty for the article he linked me to, it helped a lot during the odd moments of doubt. Without it I'd have spent almost all night stood around like a chode.
http://www.rsdnation.com/node/219396
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Saturday
If I was tired on Friday, last night I was zombie tired. Four and a half hours sleep when you're already tired sucks! I just couldn't shake the sleep off, spent the whole night in my head. Tried to open three sets, failed to open three sets. Got opened by a real cute girl but I missed the window :(

Ah well – today's a new day, it's a bank holiday here in the UK so I can go out tonight :)
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Sunday
So I now have a new perspective on just how messed up my brain is right now. I spent the entire night in my head. Tried talking to two girls the whole time. I was out with Gameboy and DocHoliday which is normally a recipe for an awesome night but not this time.

I didn't just have AA tonight, it was complete social anxiety. Just being around other people was terrifying, The first girl I tried to talk to just didn't open, the second gave me a bit of time but then just dismissed me.

The dismissal just totally fucked me. I got angry - really angry, first with her, then myself. Then over the next 20mins I just sank into apathy and depression, it didn't lift for the rest of the night.... actually it's still not lifted.
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Friday
So it's 1:33am, I'm currently hiding down an alleyway trying not to cry my eyes out. The night started well but every set was a little bit worse than I expected and with every set I felt a little bit worse. I've probably done about 8 sets?

Maybe drinking tonight was a bad idea, I've been feeling down all week and my diets gone to shit, so has my exersise regeme - but it's my birthday.

Thing can only get better right? I mean how much lower can I get?

Edit: Slightly hung over right now... this is the lowest I've been in months, but it's a lot better than I was this time last year. Sometimes, in the moment you feel like things are the worst they've ever been. Then you get some perspective and realise that things could be a lot worse. Last night was a low, this morning I have some perspective. At least I can take solace in how far I've come over the last year. Can't say I'm looking forwards to tonight but there is now way I'm skipping a Saturday.
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 Saturday
The plan was to hit up a friends rock night, then hit a club. Only it turns out that everybody has to be up early on Sunday so they all bail before the club.

I decide to call into my local, it's on my way home and I figure if it's busy I can do a few sets. It's dead, there's a set tucked into one corner and another tucked into the other corner. I chat with the staff for a bit, just mess about. Send a text to Gameboy for moral support, after I text him I decide to go solo. Then another friend turns up and invites me to a grimy bar after a bit of pool.

While we're playing my phones going off like mad. Turns out Gameboy thinks going solo would be good for me. We get to the grimy bar but it's closing so I open in the street.

First set opens really well, but her friend runs in a bundles her into a taxi before I can get anything going.

Second set doesn't even open, I don't push it.

We, move onto a late night bar. Grab some seats and after a bit a girl comes and sits down. She's not hot but I figure what does it matter? I'm the only one to talk to her and after a few minutes her hot friend comes over. She sits down between the first girl and me so we start talking. The conversation feels a bit forced but we chat for a good 10 mins. I got her number before she went back to her group of friends but I think it's flaky. Will text her later.

After another 20mins another girl comes to say hi. It turns out she had seen me at the rock night, then again at the empty bar. Now she was bumping into me here :) We start chatting and it turns out that her and her friends had been debating how attractive I am earlier in the night... by debating I apparently it was four to one that I'm hot – that's nice to know! Anyway, we chat, she has an awesome personality, we swap numbers and chat some more. I want to escalate but I'm not sure, she's a bit reserved. We're sat on stools so I swing round to face her straight on, I lean in a bit and stare at her lips for a few seconds. She smiles and tilts her head slightly, I look her in the eye and pull her in.

I should have invited her back to mine but didn't. Her number is solid, she's already sent me a text so we just need to work out some logistics (she lives out of town).

Overall, four sets, two numbers, one makeout. Saturday was a big improvement on Friday :)
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Wednesday
The hot girl didn't reply to my text, the average girl did. The texts got quite heavy (thanks to manwhore's sexting guide). We met up for dinner on Wednesday night. She talked a lot, I just kept up a normal conversation. A bit of banter, showed interest when she was interesting, kept most of the conversation light and funny. Tech speak would be that i used some push/pull and cocky/funny.

We went back to my place and I just jumped on her. Pinned her up against the wall, threw her about a bit - just generally dominating her. In my opinion, if you're not dominating a woman in bed you're doing it wrong! We had a lot of sex, then we slept and had more in the morning. Pretty sure we'll see each other again :)

On a side note - Mates Skyn condoms, holy fuck! I could actually feel something! They're really are thin! I'll keep sampling other types but these are my new favorates!
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 Friday
Chody chody chody!

I opened two whole sets! Then ejected from both of them as soon as things didn't go perfectly. I've realised that I'm resisting getting good with women. Sounds stupid doesn't it? But it's true. When I first got into game I just gave myself up completely, that's why I didn't really have to deal with AA. When you realise that all of this is just part of the process of changing you stop caring what happens. Right now I do care what happens, I need to change that.

On the up side I did get to watch a real chode plough and plough and plough. The dude obviously knew the set had gone bad but just kept going. When she wondered off he even followed her to try for a number. It was kind of tradgic, he had no confidence and zero game but carried on regardless. I actually I quite admired him - he was doing what I should have been doing.
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Friday
Another night of mostly chode. Opened about 3 sets, one went well. Got the number and she got back to me. Hopefully that'll go somewhere. Really need to get over my AA and start approaching properly.

Sunday
I'm in Budapest for a week. Ive never really travelled before and I'm on my own. Had a lot of trouble, really tired, totally out of my comfort zone. I tried to open a few girls but spent most of the night talking to guys. Got a make out which is something.

Monday
3.5 hours in the club and I couldn't take it any more. I spent the entire time thinking abou how I felt like an outsider, how I was sucking energy out of the group. I tried to get involved but anything I said came out uncalibrated and sounded retarded (to me at least). I ended up just thinking about how pathetic I've become over the last few years. I tried to change my thoughts, just got up and opened but it didn't work - I was still just thinking "why is she talking to me? I'm pathetic, I wouldn't spend time with me". These negative thought patterns need to be sorted. I've also noticed that they appear more when I've been drinking. No more drinking. Back at the hostel now, tomorrow's another day.
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This week has been amazing. not so much for my game but it's just been really enjoyable. Here's a quick recap of the memorable game bits:

Tuesday
Can't remember what happened. Stayed sober pulled a girl from the hostel. Ended up chatting to the early hours and banging in the bathroom.

Wednesday,
Totally chill night, I decided not to game. I just chilled with some Australian girls and some Belgian girls. It was the most enjoyable night of the trip.

Thursday
Boat party, went out with the girls from Wednesday. I'd happily of gotten with three out of four. They all hooked up with other people, I was like "what the fuck?". Evidently I had fallen into the friend zone, bit disappointed with that. I really started to feel down, but I was on a boat with no escape and a bottle of champagne - there was no escape. I gave the bottle to a dude and opened some girls. Everything goes well but she's not sure about sex in a hostel. I make her more horny, we head back. She keeps getting nervous, so I keep making her more horny - it works, we fuck. Then we hear the worlds loudest fart from one of the guys - it's gone, no recovery. Overall a good night, I pulled myself out of a shitty mood and got laid (even if I didn't finish).

Friday
Got social but didn't make anything sexual. Everybody was seated but there were no spare seats so moving round was a pain.

Saturday
I head out with five girls I like. Went home without any girls. One of them got laid, none of the others did. Pretty pissed that that's happened two nights this week. Then again, I don't really have any female friends back home so it's good to know girls actually like me. It would be better if they wanted to fuck me but at least it's something.

Edit: hahahaha! I love it when girls pretend they're not into sex. While I was writing this post out a girl had been in a guys room. She comes out, missing her bra, adjusting her top, shoes in hand and starts talking to me. She insists she's not had sex, then adjusts her panties through her shorts and heads home! Life would be much easier if girls admitted they enjoyed sex but until then I genuinely find it hilarious!
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Okay, the girl that got laid pulled a guy in my dorm... Now I feel shit. I do not want to sleep six feet from a girl that I wanted to fuck when she's with another dude. Esp as the guy she ended up with is the one that farted the other day.

If they start fucking do I take the right action and try to sleep through? Or do should I be a dick and become karma's instrument of reckoning? Hopefully they've finished for the night by now.
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