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my 2 cents on guys getting kicked out of bars(from a guy who got kicked out 15-20x in his life and approached 12k women)
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ApproachMachine5000

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 I'm 25 right now and i've been reading and applying pickup ever since I was 20 years old. These are from my own personal experience approaching 12,000 women, and although I was out of state or in state in my approaches, if you approached a big number of woman such as I have, you will start to see consistent patterns over time. Although it's from my own anecdotal evidence, the numbers i've experienced is so vast to the point that it should be pretty accurate.

About me

I'm Filipino, about 5 foot 4 1/2. In decent shape, and average looking. Started at the age of 20 and currently 25 years old. I live in norcal and socal (i switch every 6 months). In norcal, i live in a 250k populated city, and in socal, i live in san diego. 

 i frequently see here on RSDN. it's about people getting kicked out of bars or clubs.

when I first started doing pickup, I was living in san diego(first 3 years I was in the game). I would literally approach every girl I see and I was never kicked out of any bar or club. Not even once.  i would approach at least 10+ girls per venue. So 3 years of going out in san diego, going out 4 nights/days a week, I have never gotten kicked out once. And yes, i was uncalibrated most of the time because I was new at game. As a matter of fact, of the first 3 years I was gaming girls(approached roughly 8kwomen) I only saw the same woman once(out of the 8k i approached). San Diego is a huge city, and of the 8,000 women I approached there, i only bumped into the same girl once.

I pretty much did whatever I wanted. i would hit up mission beach/pacific beach and approach every girl on the shore or in the sands. I would hit up high end clubs such a sting/fluxx and approach like 30 to 40 girls a night. Even hit up college campuses and went crazy and approached every hot girl I saw.  And this was at the time I was new to game(so therefore, i was uncalibrated most of the time). Never got any complaints, never got kicked out or approached by a white knight. 

As i was done with college, i moved with my uncle in northern california at this 250k population town(1 hour from san francisco). Things have changed. Of that time, i've gotten kicked out of bars/clubs 15-20x in a 2 year span. And it wasn't just 1 venue, but i would rotate to multiple venues but over time, people are catching up to me. I would literally be the only guy approaching every girl there and i would get mad haters(and it was my 4th and 5th year of game, so by this time, I would've had at least 10k approaches under my belt). majority of the reasons why i got kicked out is because I stood out too much. Approaching a lot of women and beasting on them is a great way to get complaints and kicked out. However, I ran the same game in san diego and never gotten any complaints or kicked out of any bar.

Getting kicked out of a bar is demoralizing because it's a momentum killer, and it's a blow to your ego at times because it devalidates your game(although i get my confidence from my core, it's a natural feeling to feel flustered that you got kicked out due to complaints/white knights).

So i moved back to san diego and ran the same game, being an approach machine and beasting every girl I saw. Never got kicked out once or gotten any complaints. 

My number 1 advice to guys who don't want to get kicked out is to move. 

you have to face the facts, haters gon hate. If you live in a smaller town(under 1 million population), not many ppl have balls and if you do the approach machine/beasting type game, you will get punished for it. So unless you learn to adjust to your situation and surroundings(being less aggressive, approaching less women), you will have people hating on you. 

And even if you got kicked out of a bar or club and the bouncers decide to let you come back to that bar/club, it will be a blow to your game because you will be too self conscious about staff "watching you". So thus, you really aren't giving your 100%, you will be flinchy and less aggressive(this type of game isn't my type of game, knowing that most numbers are flakes and playing the numbers game is always in your favor, it generally doesn't help you)

my number 2 advice to guys who get kicked out. Once the bouncer decides to kick you out, GET THE FUCK OUT OF THERE AND MAKE SURE THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU LOOK LIKE.

usually bouncers who kick you out would tell you "hey bro, can you step outside with me real quick" and he will tell you "i've gotten multiple complaints about you(usually it's 1 girl), so come back some other night". If this shit happens, (even if you come back to that club, you are in their negative RAS, you are classified as "that guy who causes trouble". If the bouncer tells you "hey bro, can you step outside" you are pretty much done for the night. if this shit happens to you, get the fuck out of there without talking to the bouncer. WALK AWAY. You arguing with the bouncer won't let you back in, and he will recognize your face better.

my number 3 advice is to be aware of your surroundings and make sure you aren't being watched by people who have power over you.

This is a case by case basis. In san diego, there's a shitload of bouncers every where, but they usually don't give a fuck what you do. As a matter of fact, places in Pacific beach/gaslamp have bouncers everywhere and they watch me approach a bunch of chicks, never gotten white knighted or kicked out. They just usaully cheer me on, but to small town faggot bouncers, they will think you are some suspicious dude or creepy guy hitting on every chick. I've done a compare and contrast about the venues in san diego vs the venues in my 250k town. of All the times i've been booted out of a bar, it's ALL FROM THE BOUNCERS IN THAT SMALL TOWN, NOT IN SAN DIEGO.

To be quite honost, you must be doing some pretty stupid shit to get kicked out at a bar in san diego. Such as pissing in the bar, or getting into fights. You will not get kicked out of a bar in SD if you are simply just approaching women.(again this is from my own personal experience)

Here are some possible debates I wil get on this topic

1. dude, the reason why you got kicked out of the bar is because you came off uncalibrated. Next time, work on your game bro

This debate is a total cop out....First of all, what is your definition of calibration? And how else are you suppose to get better at game without making a mistakes every now and then? and is there such thing as a perfect approach? I was that creepy approach machine guy in SD and never gotten kicked out once, ran the same game in my smaller town, and got hated on/kicked out plenty of times. So it was mostly the environment, and not my uncalibration.  

I for one do not tolerate guys telling me to change my game. So what I did was I MOVED. Stop going to those faggot venues and hit up more busy/less haterade venues, so i would just either commute to san francisco or move back with my parents in san diego.  Being punished for approaching too many girls is usually from that bouncer's vendetta, and not by your approach. If you disagree with me, then why don't you go to a small city and approach a lot of chicks, and go to a place like XS in vegas or stingaree in san diego, do this for 6 months time, and see how many times you got kicked out of that "small town venue" vs larger venues. That is what I did and I saw patterns.

If you must stay in small towns. Just be less aggressive and approach less girls. I for one do not tolerate this so I would just commute to larger cities. So it's up to the person to whether or not you tolerate this.

2. why don't you just befriend the staff?

I'm the type of guy that doesn't want to befriend people unless I genuinely want to.  So if i don't want to befriend someone for my own personal gain, i won't. I'm a genuine guy. If I want to befriend someon because i have an agenda in mind, i probably won't be genuiine about it. So nah, befriending staff is usually out of the picture for me because i don't want to befriend someone for them to not cockblock me.  Befriending staff can be bad sometimes because it gives attention to you, (good or not) and if you got complaints, although they will take your side, there is a certain rule bouncers have to abide by. In my opinion, it's best to come off anonymous than being that guy who is cool with everyone.

here is the overall statistics 

3 years in san diego(1 million population + 15 million greater SD area)
8,000 opened sets
0 complaints
0x got kicked out

2 years in norcal(250k population)

20x kicked out
2 got confronted by police (opening too many girls at college campuses)
5x confronted by security guards(due to approaching too many girls at thet mall)
2,000 opened sets

If you see those numbers, you might think i'm some trouble maker/sociopath/creep. To be quite honost, i'm just a guy who loves meeting people and women. And due to the huge disparity in those statistics, i've came into a conclusion that it wasn't my game, but the venue itself. You might call this "i have big ego" but if you see a huge disparity of those 2 places. 

btw as of now, i never get kicked out or confronted by security(it's rare now) because I'm good at remaining anonymous and keeping track of my surroundings(that way, i wouldn't get any attention). I'm still approaching a lot of chicks, but i'm more careful on who's watching me.

Feel free to ask questions. 
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StarryDragon

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 Excellent post. thank you

I got kicked out of a bar last night in a small town (population less than 50,000: college town)

At first I was totally perplexed, but your post shines some light on it at least

I have to be in this college town for this upcoming semester (graduating in December)

then I want to move to a big city like NYC

Are bouncers less faggoty there about approaching?

Even if they aren't the city's big enough that if I got kicked out one night I could probably just come back the very next night
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 Excellent post. thank you

I got kicked out of a bar last night in a small town (population less than 50,000: college town)

At first I was totally perplexed, but your post shines some light on it at least

I have to be in this college town for this upcoming semester (graduating in December)

then I want to move to a big city like NYC

Are bouncers less faggoty there about approaching?

Even if they aren't the city's big enough that if I got kicked out one night I could probably just come back the very next night
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ApproachMachine5000

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CALBEARHOODIE wrote:
I didnt read that but to anyone getting kicked out of venues it's because you are weak and very bad at reading social cues
SO you going hard and getting blown out is defined as weak?

LOL, i have way more respect for guys who go hard and approach every chick and getting blown out, than those ego preservation chodes who stand there and put their drinks on their chest and look tough.

How else are you going to improve if you don't make mistakes every now and then? You will make mistakes, that's the fact about pickup. Everyone does.
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ApproachMachine5000

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StarryDragon wrote:
 Excellent post. thank you

I got kicked out of a bar last night in a small town (population less than 50,000: college town)

At first I was totally perplexed, but your post shines some light on it at least

I have to be in this college town for this upcoming semester (graduating in December)

then I want to move to a big city like NYC

Are bouncers less faggoty there about approaching?

Even if they aren't the city's big enough that if I got kicked out one night I could probably just come back the very next night
If you get kicked out, don't worry about it. Unless you are doing some really stupid shit like grabbing tits/ass and not being empathetic to the girl, or getting into fights, or pissing in the club.  Any other reason such as "approaching too much" or "clawing girls" are dumb reasons to get kicked out. THere's nothing wrong with that, but you have to understand, you are standing out in a negative way. 

I for one do not go to bars. I usually go to high end clubs. bars are usually the places where I get kicked out of the most.

But overall, dont' worry about it too much,. I've read your topic and it seems like you are thinking about it too much. i've gotten kicked out way more than you, and it's usually from reasons such as "approaching too many girls" or "being too aggressive". Whether or not i'm calibrated, that is a way to improve. how do I know this? I ran the same game in SD vs ran the same game in my 250k town, i've gotten way more complaitns at my town while i've gotten zero complaints in a meteropolitan city.

think about it this way. What might be permissable in certain cities(vegas/nyc/sd) might not be persmissable in smaller towns. it's up to you to decide on what you should and shouldn't do.
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CALBEARHOODIE wrote:
I didnt read that but to anyone getting kicked out of venues it's because you are weak and very bad at reading social cues
what kind of social cues do you need to be aware of?
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CALBEARHOODIE wrote:
Yea unless ur coming from a weak weird creepy place ur not gonna get people complaining to have u thrown out. Pushing in a set where they are giving u clear signals that they're not receptive and letting it escalate to the point where they want u outta there isn't some brave feat, it's annoying and shows u don't get it
Oh trust me, i'm very empathetic to a woman on what she's feeling when I approach her.

Doesn't matter, since game is state based, your not always going to be feeling like the "lord",  sometimes you feel be feeling like a chode, and you will come frmo a place of creepiness. however, pushing forward while doing so is a grreat way to build momentum. 

it's obvious, judging by the way you typed  this senetence is that you don't go out as much as I do and approached as many girls that i've been. coming from a guy who approached 12k woman and been going out consistently for 5 years,

but thanks bro, cools story
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ApproachMachine5000 wrote:

CALBEARHOODIE wrote:
Yea unless ur coming from a weak weird creepy place ur not gonna get people complaining to have u thrown out. Pushing in a set where they are giving u clear signals that they're not receptive and letting it escalate to the point where they want u outta there isn't some brave feat, it's annoying and shows u don't get it
Oh trust me, i'm very empathetic to a woman on what she's feeling when I approach her.

Doesn't matter, since game is state based, your not always going to be feeling like the "lord",  sometimes you feel be feeling like a chode, and you will come frmo a place of creepiness. however, pushing forward while doing so is a grreat way to build momentum. 

it's obvious, judging by the way you typed  this senetence is that you don't go out as much as I do and approached as many girls that i've been. coming from a guy who approached 12k woman and been going out consistently for 5 years,

but thanks bro, cools story

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The_Mule

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How many girls did you pull from all that?
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college town here. they like to keep it "safe" for the kiddies. i have to keep in mind most of them are students, not necessarily an open attendance from all walks of life.
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ApproachMachine5000

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The_Mule wrote:
How many girls did you pull from all that?
good question

sometimes i would bang a new chick every week. Other times i would pull once every 2 months. It really depends on how often I go out and how many girls I approach. 

The thing that increased my odds is 

1. going out A LOT(more 7 days a week)
2. approaching A LOT(20-30 sets a night)

it might be common sense, but those are the times i would pull the most. There are some slow stretches(going out maybe once or twice a week because low on $$). But i've always been consistent

btw, when I was in SD, i would go out 6 days a week while doing an internship and doing 15 units in a degree of business. Still managed my time perfectly . I'm pretty good with my time management
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