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What self defense system would you learn if you could chose only one?
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#31

sentry303

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I've trained with some military guys. They did bjj/kickboxing/muay Thai on their own time.

Other guys did Krav maga. krav maga is badass stuff that's pretty easy to learn. they trained in the official krav maga www.kravmaga.com I've heard that there's a few different versions out there.

Personally i trained mostly in bjj because it was fun.
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MMA is my passion and training is what I love to do more than anything in the world. Bruce Lee already told the world how to train. A lot of idiots who don't train think you have to master one style before you can learn another. The problem with learning one style is that one style is completely flawed. TKD guys can get punched in the head. Kickboxers can get taken down. Aikido and Jap jitsu you have to be a fucking master or you're going to get killed. BJJ is so fucking fun, but for the most part useless in self-defense. Judo you can get punched or kicked. Boxing is vulnerable to kicks, knees, sweeps, takedowns and clinching. Kung fu is too fancy. Karate is too limited as well, although it is a good system. Go Krav Maga (which is just Israeli MMA geared towards self defense) or a good MMA gym. Train at a gym that takes from all these styles (they are all great systems) so that you don't have those huge weak points in your game. There is no single greatest system. Be water my friend.
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power_level_over9000 wrote:

NamesAreHard wrote:
MMA is my passion and training is what I love to do more than anything in the world. Bruce Lee already told the world how to train. A lot of idiots who don't train think you have to master one style before you can learn another. The problem with learning one style is that one style is completely flawed. TKD guys can get punched in the head. Kickboxers can get taken down. Aikido and Jap jitsu you have to be a fucking master or you're going to get killed. BJJ is so fucking fun, but for the most part useless in self-defense. Judo you can get punched or kicked. Boxing is vulnerable to kicks, knees, sweeps, takedowns and clinching. Kung fu is too fancy. Karate is too limited as well, although it is a good system. Go Krav Maga (which is just Israeli MMA geared towards self defense) or a good MMA gym. Train at a gym that takes from all these styles (they are all great systems) so that you don't have those huge weak points in your game. There is no single greatest system. Be water my friend.


I beg to disagree man. There are way too many fancy gyms by some nobody that got beat up by someone that got a temporary ufc contract. There art failed to help them then and yet, they open up a school. mma is the worst part of what was once traditional arts. With time, things become modernized however, they have gutted many of these arts, and ruined many of them by watering down these systems. If you put in any champion mma fighter against someone from a traditional art that is not watered down like one of those in the videos, the mma fighter would die a cruel death very quickly. There are very few traditional martial artists like Anderson Silva and Machida in these sports. There is no such thing as best fighter pound for pound. The best doesn't need a belt or recognition and money to prove it. He already is in the knowing.

The worst part is that someone would try their fancy mma stuff and they would get killed by one of these strikes from a guy sitting on their ass or laying down.

this might be the most KJ thing i've ever read shades
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#34

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power_level_over9000 wrote:

NamesAreHard wrote:
MMA is my passion and training is what I love to do more than anything in the world. Bruce Lee already told the world how to train. A lot of idiots who don't train think you have to master one style before you can learn another. The problem with learning one style is that one style is completely flawed. TKD guys can get punched in the head. Kickboxers can get taken down. Aikido and Jap jitsu you have to be a fucking master or you're going to get killed. BJJ is so fucking fun, but for the most part useless in self-defense. Judo you can get punched or kicked. Boxing is vulnerable to kicks, knees, sweeps, takedowns and clinching. Kung fu is too fancy. Karate is too limited as well, although it is a good system. Go Krav Maga (which is just Israeli MMA geared towards self defense) or a good MMA gym. Train at a gym that takes from all these styles (they are all great systems) so that you don't have those huge weak points in your game. There is no single greatest system. Be water my friend.


I beg to disagree man. There are way too many fancy gyms by some nobody that got beat up by someone that got a temporary ufc contract. There art failed to help them then and yet, they open up a school. mma is the worst part of what was once traditional arts. With time, things become modernized however, they have gutted many of these arts, and ruined many of them by watering down these systems. If you put in any champion mma fighter against someone from a traditional art that is not watered down like one of those in the videos, the mma fighter would die a cruel death very quickly. There are very few traditional martial artists like Anderson Silva and Machida in these sports. There is no such thing as best fighter pound for pound. The best doesn't need a belt or recognition and money to prove it. He already is in the knowing.

The worst part is that someone would try their fancy mma stuff and they would get killed by one of these strikes from a guy sitting on their ass or laying down.

i laughed my ass off watching this video. i cant believe people still believe this. the mysticism surrounding shaolin kungfu is perpetuated by the temple because its their main source of revenue and prestige. actual combat fighting taught by the shaolin temple resembles muay thai, its full contact sparring is called sanda. here's a video of it in action: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7RreZdIM1uU#t=5m34s
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#35

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Thanks for this. Its very helpful. I've adjusted my plan to:

KM/MMA + MT

That way I have street fight plus something to cover my weak points.



NamesAreHard wrote:
MMA is my passion and training is what I love to do more than anything in the world. Bruce Lee already told the world how to train. A lot of idiots who don't train think you have to master one style before you can learn another. The problem with learning one style is that one style is completely flawed. TKD guys can get punched in the head. Kickboxers can get taken down. Aikido and Jap jitsu you have to be a fucking master or you're going to get killed. BJJ is so fucking fun, but for the most part useless in self-defense. Judo you can get punched or kicked. Boxing is vulnerable to kicks, knees, sweeps, takedowns and clinching. Kung fu is too fancy. Karate is too hop
limited as well, although it is a good system. Go Krav Maga (which is just Israeli MMA geared towards self defense) or a good MMA gym. Train at a gym that takes from all these styles (they are all great systems) so that you don't have those huge weak points in your game. There is no single greatest system. Be water my friend.
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#36

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Thanks as well. You were right.

rakoom2002 wrote:
 Thank you, Muay thai. +7
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#37

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Eskrima? Why? Isn't very unlikely to find a stick or a knife lying around during a confrontation ?


novel wrote:


i've been training for 2 months now at an "mma" school. this involves learning jeet kune do, bjj, boxing, filipino martial arts


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#38
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Wow awesome video lol. As for MMA/Muay thay, I have been doing both recently. The importnat thing is to start sparring as soon as possible and 3+ times a week (1 hour at least). I was doing muay thay and it was alright but once I joined a MMA gym to spar almost daily things changed. It's way harder to fight once you don't just punch the wind that can't fight back. I'm at a MMA gym but mostly focusing on striking currently (aka muay thay). I'll do BJJ/wrestling later. Right now I want to focus on striking because it's already time consumming and I want to be ready for a street fight (which most likely won't be 1 on 1 where BJJ would be best).
Klaus wrote:
Fascinating. I just watched this video and find it quite fascinating indeed.

What are your thoughts on MMA, judo, BJJ?
rakoom2002 wrote:
 Jokes aside. I recommend Muay Thai.  Not showy, very practical and effective. Karate, Tae Kwon Do, etc are a joke. Ive taken for several years now and I havent needed to use it in a real street fight, its given me the ability to talk my way out of many situations.  Once you feel comfortable with the fact that you know how to handle yourself in a situation you dont really feel the need to prove it and its easier to resolve conflict via words.

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#39

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Join Date: 07/22/2011 | Posts: 271

 Muay Thai is extremely effective.

If you want to go all out, do Krav Maga. That shit is all about negating the enemy in whatever way possible, shots to the eye, nuts, throat, etc...
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#40
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Okay, I need to clear some stuff up for you guys. The video posted is not a Shaolin style. Shaolin kung fu uses a wider stance. I have nothing but respect and veneration for Shaolin monks. They are tough as nails, but their style has weak points that can be exploited. Like I said before, Bruce Lee kept it real as fuck. He was many years beyond the world when it came to martial arts. He said that style and form are limiting and to be a true martial artist is to become whole and fight moment to moment. You can't compare a sport fighter to a self-defense practitioner. The UFC has rules and is a sport. You can't kick a downed opponent, employ small joint locks, pull hair, gouge eyes, strike to the neck or groin, etc. MMA doesn't necessarily mean sport, it means taking techniques from various styles. Sparring is a great way to find out what works and you will find that simple is always best—although I would like to acknowledge that sparring has it's weak points as you are not trying to hurt your training partner. Sparring is where the real learning takes place. To the guy who is talking about watered down styles, spar me and then form an opinion.
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