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#31
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 Thanks Dhruva. I appreciate your support. 
One of the main reasons I love Lima is because it's a big city so I dont feel like there is really much to lose, except a bruise ego, which in any case may turn out to be a good thing instead of a bad one.
I'll definitely go for the number closes. I can already visualize it, feel the pain of getting out of my comfort zone. So much room for growth. Sweet.
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BOOM

Cold Approaching @ Jockey Plaza -
Transforming into my new self / Reducing reaction time when approaching hotter girls

Today I read the concept of homeostasis in George Leonard's Mastery. This quickly made a lot of sense with all of the personal growth I've doing for the last months.

In the field of pickup, last week, for a few days, I was a confident more badass person. Then, suddenly, I went back to showing insecurity and not talking loud enough when approaching. I just thought it was a slight contraction followed by a plateau. It certainly was. But when I apply the concept of homeostasis to this specific situation, it makes much more sense. What happened is that I just went back to my old self, literally going backwards in my 2 weeks progress. Fortunately it was a short time only. Today I could appreciate a louder voice, chill, fun personality again. I was a man who takes risks, does scary shit.

My first approach went pretty well, at least to my standards. That is: smiles, laughs, and other IOI's from cute girls. And this one I actually liked. Objectively, she was like a HB7. Cool. But I like her vibe, which made it better. Her friend was cute too.  I was rocking it until the friend left us alone and joined her group (a 4 set), then the HB7 kinda went back a bit, with a degree of indecisiveness. I should've chased her a bit. I was about to ask for their names before her friend left. Too bad. I left. It sucked a bit. But encourages me to take escalata interactions further in the future. These girls were a bit younger than me. Sucks I could not close or anything. At least, closing is suddenly becoming a part of my needs. I can see the gates of a new stage in cold approach pickup. Awesome.

In my second approach I saw a girl I really liked. For some reason I liked her looks. For me, she was a HB7.5. But I just liked her race, and overall looks. I prefer white girls. Especially hot blonde ones. Damn. I LOVE THEM. Literally LOVE these women. Fuck. Delicious.

So I saw this cute girl. Very close to me. I was stunned by her looks, it shocked me. I felt the "I cant let this one go away" feeling and just fucking approached her after less than a second of seeing her. Second time I do this in daygame.

Pretty funny. I was really stunned. I said "WOW" and made laser eye contact with her. As I talked to her, I was completely engaged in her eyes. I can even say I gained some satisfaction from staring into her eyes. Weird hehe. Anyways, I told her she was quite, really meaning it lol. And then she went away smiling. Well. Blow out? At least I went for that. And I plan to go even more and more for that kind of approaches. Get more entitlement. Go for hotter girls. And in 10 years, be a master at this. But lets not think about that. For now, it is just these kind of experiences that really make my day and make life really amusing. It is really the joy of practicing pickup that makes me fall in love with pickup everyday. The emotions, good ones, bad ones, its all good. Its always an adventure. Love this. Just love this with all my heart.

Third approach were two girls. One was talking on the public telephone, and the other one was with her. The one talking on the phone was a HB 7.5. Her friend had an amazing ASS, but her face was not that good. HB 7.5 nevertheless. That ass. So, I approach them. No excuses. Tough set? Maybe. Who cares? More reference experiences for me! I went there. Told them they were cute. Some smiles haha. Impressed faces lol. That was it.

They were like 24 years old anyways. But its great I am approaching this kind of girls right now, getting reference experiences with them, improving my game and the way I spark attraction and am able to make conversations. Hopefully this will help me get these women like in 1-2 years hehe.

In the fourth approach, the women were kinda old. One of them looked like a and the other one was probably her daughter lol. I dont remember well. Anyways, I told them they were cute. Just that. Went well to my expectations.

Should probably expect more. At least with girls a bit younger than me, I am seeing the opportunity for keeping the conversations going and going for the number close. This is great. With women above 20 years old, I still dont figure this out very well. Maybe I dont feel very entitled to get numbers from them. Actually, the thought of having sex with them kinda scares me. So far, I've only pictured myself having sex with girls about my age, silently, while her parents are watching TV or went out shopping hehe. Just gotta keep pushing myself I guess. I've already gotten to the point in cold approach where I have sparked attraction from women above their 20s, have conversations with them, and failed to sit with them at their table or closer to them, or number close them. So I think I just have to go for the collection of reference experiences and pushing myself near the edge everyday.

Developed today:
Reaction time. Somewhat scary sets.

For next time:
More scary sets. Its probably time to approach couples hehe.
Keep getting those reference experiences. Keep 'em coming! MORE APPROACHES! APPROACHING WOMEN FOREVER!

To end this report, I have to say that it's all good. It's all cool shit. Really nice stuff going here. Actually making the transition from picturing myself fucking girls silently to dont wake up her parents to fucking a girl who studies at college or works and lives in her own apartment; that is some really cool shit. It actually exposed the mind changing process, the transformation. Only two and a half weeks ago, thinking of fucking those girls was kinday scary. Now I am actually considering it. 

Awesome.

That will push me even harder to continue the interactions, number closing, etc.
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Oops, just posted in my brothers computer. Sucks. Well, there is the report anyways. Enjoy.
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Dude you just signed your field report as Chode Campos... You are a dummy
I like your field report anyway
Peace broooo
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 Wait you too are brothers??
That makes a lot more sense now. haha.
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 GUYS I WILL GET MY SIX PACK IN 3 WEEKS. THATS IT. BAM. NOW I REALLY HAVE TO GET IT BY THEN, STICK TO MY DIET AND WORK OUT THESE LAST FUCKING HARD WEEKS OF THE WORKOUT. 
Anywho. Here it goes. My approaches today. I did 8. Cool ones. Built micro momentum. NICE. Hotter chicks. AWESOME. Will I lose my virginity by November 1st? FUCK YES I WILL FUCK YES. There is no parallel universe where I dont lose my virginity by Nov 1st. LITERALLY NO PARALLEL UNIVERSE. IN EACH AND EVERY ONE OF THOSE STUPID PARALLEL UNIVERSES, I LOSE MY VIRGINITY BY THEN. I introduce my dick into a cute girl's wet vagina in all of them motherfuckers universes. Oh yeah. 

A little rant there. It had to be done. 

Cold Approaching @ The same fucking place of everyday - APPROACHING COUPLE MAKING OUT, HOT CHICKS WITH THEIR PARENTS & SCARY SHIT FOR NEWBIES LIKE TROPICALMAN

Getting myself to finish withmy 1000 rookie mistakes here. Each and everyday. The same ordinary ritual everyday. Oh you might think that I like just approaching and getting my heart beating like a fucker. Sitting in the bus for 30 minutes everyday to go to the mall. I love it. Love the ritual for beginning the approaching day. Then, walking on the bridge. Sometimes shouting stuff in public, sometimes not, love that too. After finishing the approaches, walking to the bus stop. Good emotions. Comfort zone feeling raped. Mind fucked. Love it. 

So I hang out with Chode Campos around the mall for like 25 minutes, being faggots, little bitches, not approaching. I knew it was going to be one of those days were nothing clicks and just have to approach. I remember saying "Just shut the fuck up and do it" and still not doing it. Until I really just shut the F up and did it. Then, it began.

First approach sucked. Two average looking girls. I told them they were pretty. They told me they were talking so I left. 

Second approach was a really cute girl. Gee. The ones I like. And she looked a bit younger than me. I say "Excuse me", she gives me her whole attention, eye contact. I start telling her I think she is cute, that I had to meet her. Suddenly, I am not even done saying my opener, when her sister or friend comes along and says bullshit to her, I dont know what, and the nice cute girl just diverts her attention off me.  I did not wanted to chase. So I left feeling a bit like a loser. But its all good. Fuck my ego.

Then on the third approach, I see a really cute girl. Again, the type I like, blonde, nice eyes, gorgeous face, hot body. She looks like 15 -17, thats okay, I am 17, cool. She is a nice teenager HB 8. So apparently she is with her dad, big motherfucker sitting on a bench. She is standing. I go talk to her. Tell her she is cute, hold eye contact while talking. She says in a sweet voice "haha No, thank you". She is very sweet. So I just leave.

The next approach is near the food court. I see two girls, kinda cute. Tell them my classic direct opener. Their mom comes in, "What happened?" she asks. "I thought they were really cute, ehmm uuh, aesthetically attractive". At first, the mom was smiling, then as I kept justifying my actions (being apologetic) the look on her face changed to a "WTF" face. Funny. By that time I was already in state, laughing and shit. So I ejected. Leaving too early? Probably. I need to work on pushing it more.

Nex approach was a girl talking on the phone. She did not respond and kept walking.

Next set happened as I was walking, I saw two cute girls walking behind me. I instantly opened. I was rocking it. They were cute, younger than me. After a while, I ran out of things to say. Literally. I did not find anything more to say. I was looking for an outcome, started to pay attention to what I was saying, wasnt my best self anymore. Sucks. They noticed that and the girl that wasnt my target said they have to leave. Sucks. But more and more reference experiences for me!

Then I see a hot girl, like 21 year old, walking by. Try to stop her. She stops. But her friend doesnt. Tried to chase the friend. Didnt get it. Hot girl keeps walking. 

Last set was a couple making out. I drew a straight line to them. As I was really near them, I could see their disgusting tongues in action, they were really into it. I say "Hey guys do you know where is the starbucks?" They stop making out lol. The guy points me in the direction. I start walking away, then I ask if they are from Peru. The girl says she is but her boyfriend isnt. The guy says he is from South Africa. Chode Campos joined, we talked a couple more seconds, then left. Its great that I actually tried to get the 2 minute mark. 

That is it.

Developed today:
Reducing my reaction time
High intensity training: couples; girls with parents.

For next time: 
HIGHER intensity. MORE! MORE! 
Start practicing light physicality.
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haha yeaah, we like to beast in Lima where nobody beasts. Somebody has to do it. Of course one might argue that what we do is not real beasting, but it will be in some months or maybe years.
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That makes a lot more sense now. haha.
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REFLECTING ON THE JOURNEY

After several days wondering what the next action could be to improve my pick up interactions, today I've finally identified the pattern that leads to failure in all of my interactions. I eject set too early.

I've been identifying this in last reports but I wasnt really taking it too seriously.

The thing is: I could not really face this issue because facing it means that there is a risk of "losing the glass of milk to get to the cup of milk ahead".

Well, sometimes is necessary to do that. And it hurts, but embracing that "pain" is actually loving the plateau and being proud of wearing a white belt throughout the journey in the endless path of mastery. So now I am openly stating what it is that I am failing at: leaving set.

Why do I leave set?

At first there was that fear of approaching. Now there is that fear of staying in set. What is the common factor in both of these? Fear of rejection. Now that I have finally acquired a certain level at this where it is not common to get rejected right from the opener, I actually have fear of staying in set because I might get rejected IN THAT STAGE.

Getting first stage of interaction handled: Done.

Second Stage: afraid of even getting there.

It is funny. It reminds of the times where I had fear of approaching because I thought I might get immediately rejected. After approaching several times, I learned to dont take personal any girl rejecting me at the opener.
After all, they dont know me well enough to actually reject the real me. Of course I was authentic and put my personality out there, but even so, I rationalized that a girl rejecting me at the opener could not have possibly seen all of my personality traits, therefore her choice to reject me was in part unsustainable.

Well. Not taking things personally IS BIG. And I just realized this universal truth to another level. It is much more internalized. I thought that because when a girl rejected me at the opener and I took it lightheartedly, I was already not taking things personally.

Well.

Seems like there is another level to the whole not-taking-things-personally thing. Because I AM STILL TAKING THINGS PERSONALLY IN MANY WAYS, HARD TO SEE AT FIRST, BUT ONCE THERE IS A CONTINUOUS PATTERN, IT IS PRETTY OBVIOUS IT'S THERE.

I am afraid to stay in set because a part of me still takes personally the fact that girls might reject me after 5 minutes in the interaction. 5 minutes. What the fuck is 5 minutes? It's still not enough time for a person to know me completely, then again, my previous rationalization comes into play. Awesome.

Cold Approaching @ Same mall of everyday - RECOGNIZING PATTERNS IN MY GAME / MORE SCARY APPROACHES / HOT GIRL WITH MOTHER

It's very interesting how guys that are just starting pickup can sometimes give us the best lessons ever.

Today I met with a guy from another pickup forum that lives in Peru. He has done 3 approaches so far and has gotten a number close. Turns out that I learned a really important thing from him. In his 4th cold approach of his life, the guy got a quite cute fatty really interested in him (the fact she is a fatty doesnt really matter, I would fuck that anytime, her face was pretty) and he exchanged contact info with her.

A thing I noticed in him is that he stayed in set. I was waiting with Chode Campos for him to finish, and he just kept talking, making her laugh, etc. It seemed like the fact that he is kind of new at this actually empowered his interactions. He carried that vibe of the guy who is willing to fuck it up and is okay with wearing a white belt, who actually relishes the subtle IOIs and little smiles from the girl.

I remember being at that stage back in November-December last year when I first started doing pickup. I was drunk at every party, but I enjoyed myself so much. I loved all of the little IOIs and I kept moving the interaction forward, pushing the barriers of my comfort zone. And it wasnt the alcohol, because months later I continued to use alcohol and I did not get the same results as my starting era.

One month in pickup and I already had 2 number closes and 1 makeout in cold approaching. It was fucking awesome, made me feel like I was the shit.

Somewhere along the way, I lost the spirit of the "fool", took things more seriously, focused more on long term results, outcome, getting reactions, etc. I lost it. I LOST THE INVALUABLE SPIRIT OF THE FOOL!

I am not surrendering to the practice. The past days, I've been with fear of advancing and surrendering my current skills to eventually get new and better ones.

I am always a student, will always be, and today I was the student of a person with much less time in pickup than me. And I am actually quite thankful that I was his student.

How to solve staying in set? Keep talking shit. Stay until they walk away. If they say they have to leave, try to keep them in set up to 3 times. After trying 3 times, I walk away. Simple.

TIME IS MY ALLY. I get Alexander's concept much better now with the experiences I am having. That is truly what I need.

Just like I used to get several negative reactions in my opener, now I have to be willing to get those poor reactions in the shape of girls walking away.

Staying in set seems like a very efficient, practical way to get the numbers, contact info, close, etc. It is like a bridge towards other aspects to work in my game: physicality, closing, etc.

How am I supposed to touch a girl if I am not even staying there with her? How am I supposed to establish a connection? There really is no way (except for the advanced guys) to go further if I am not even staying in set. It is so simple but hard to acknowledge.

Once I stay in set for like 10 minutes, I will notice patterns where I have to get physical to keep the interaction going, spark attraction, and GET THE GIRL. New stages of the game will emerge naturally.

Great.

In regards to my approaches today, I did some good ones. 6 in total.

The one worth of highlighting was a really hot girl HB 8.5 with the looks I like. She was with her mom. Her mom was like "WTF? What does this guy want?". When the mom looked at me with that face. I made a signal to her to wait a sec. So, I told the HB 8.5 she was cute. Good reactions. She said thank you. She was sweet.

Then, my brother told me that as I was walking away she was happily telling her mother what had happened, and her mom was still skeptical and acting like a bitch. Well, maybe I made the day of a hot HB 8.5. She was about my age. Cool shit.

The other approaches were the same thing of always. I stopped some walking sets. Cool stuff. But kept leaving set too early.

So for next time: STAY IN SET. HIGH INTENSITY TRAINING.

I really enjoyed writing this report, figuring out what was missing in my game, finding ways to improve.

The endless journey is awesome. I really loved all of the days trying to figure out what I could do to improve. I loved the initial pain followed by inner peace that comes with surrendering to the journey. This will probably be a decision I will have to take over and over again.

This shit is great. Fucking love this. LOVE THIS. WITH MY HEART.

For the rest of the journey: be willing to be a fool. Always be a student and have fun!
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Try buyer-seller dynamic frame to keep up the interaction. I found that to work for me some time ago. Ill try it back again.
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 Alright mates. Time for field report.

Its been going great lately. The diet and exercise are giving their nice results. Positive emotions. As I prepare my green smoothie, I feel so good, when I finish drinking it, I feel so good. Taking the fish oil pills, I feel so damn good. I was really in a state of feeling great today, with a nice clear thinking. 

But nothing last forever. Funny enough, some hours ago some things were not going that well in regards to the context where I live, and well, some negative energy gets transmitted and actually activates my pain body. Watching my pain body like that was weird, scary. That shit is like a big dragon one must conquer in order to reach peace. Today I could see really clearly the pain body in all its magnificence. Terrible emotions from the past came to the surface. In my despair, I realized I was not my painbody, I could disidentify from it. I asked myself "who wants to be unhappy? myself or the unhapiness in myself?". After that I was literally laughing out loud with joy. Very weird. Good experience. This actually makes me realize more how there is a reason to everything that happens. Good stuff. 

That had nothing to do with pickup, but its still self growth so I thought it was worth sharing. It was probably one of the few times lately where I felt my painbody so intensely. It was like taming a gian beast. Like facing the beast, showing whos the alpha, then climbing to its head and trying to control it while it resists. Cool stuff.

Alright, time to leave aside the Ecky Tolle stuff and move to cold approaching!!

Cold Approaching @ JP - PRACTICING STAYING IN SET / GETTING COMFORTABLE WITH SILENCE

I meet with my brother at the mall again. 

Time to approach. But we dont approach. We stand there talking shit for like 15 minutes. I see a 4 set, try to open, then I retracted. Really weird lol. I said "Hey..." then I just stepped back completely. They didnt even notice lol. But that showed me I was very stifled. It was pretty funny, made me laugh a lot which lead to ping off from myself! 

I proceed to approach a 2 set of fattys. Mean fattys! Not good! They dont even pay attention! Not good! In old Peru, those fattys would've received a good old spanking! 

I felt so good. No reason to feel good, just feeling good for the sake of feeling good.

Then I approached a set of 2 girls. One of them was quite cute. They were 15. But didnt look like it. What I really loved about this approach was being comfortable with silence. Having times when I was saying nothing. Then talking shit. I failed to keep taking action though. I could have sat beside them, which was hard considering their position. As I was silent, it was like a time where I was comfortable with my own awesomeness. Really nice stuff there. Good reactions and stuff. But I still left! Couldnt accomplish my goal of leaving only if I get told to leave 3 times or stay in set until they walk away. Why did I walk away? I ran out of things to say. I just have to accept that. Its some shit. But thats what it happens. I was doing cold reading, chode questions to keep the interaction alive. Then it died. I did not feel much comfortable at that time. So I left. I must work on this. I basically failed in my intent, I thought of sitting with them, failed. Next time just shut up and take action.

Then I approached an HB 7. Told her she was cute. She turned away and kept walking. It was pretty funny. A guy next to me heard it and laughed haha. 

I then approached a 4 set of girls a bit younger than me. Kept talking with them for like 2 minutes until they said they had to leave. Nice. I didnt leave set. Cool! 

Then  I approached a HB 7.5. I liked her looks. Sexy. Told her she was quite. And then she smiled and walked away. 

Funny stuff, which leads to me recognize a pattern, when I tell moving 20-23 year old HB 7s that they are cute, they walk away. They seem to like it. They are receptive. But they walk away like in some both happily and maybe even trying to avoid an awkward situation. This is probably why Todd says that if we can go with an indirect opener and escalate the interaction with intent, then its great! I still lack evidence from this, I need to keep doing it and FIND OUT! Really like this of game.

Developed today: Staying in set. Nice. I give myself a pat on the back.

For next time: STAY IN SET!!!! FEAR AS FUEL! HIGH INTENSITY SHIT!

Changing topic...

Expansion and contraction presents itself in almost any field I can think of. In regards to espirituality, today I  felt so really fucking great for no apparent reason. It lasted hours. Until something happens, BAM! negative emotions, painbody. Contraction. It is as if I send my whole army into attack, conquer, get money get bitches. But then I leave my defense vulnerable and BANG! contraction happens. What I really like about this is that this kind of experiences actually create great opportunities for me to be more in touch with my emotions and know myself better. It's all good.

Non judgement, non attachment, and non resistance. Good elements for the soul.

So to finish this, here is a classic by an extraordinary artist. I guess you would translate its title to "Life is a carnival". 



MUCH LOVE AND PEACE RSD NATION!
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