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No dude that is perfect. I completely relate with that... I honestly have no intentions of EVER getting married (I find the prospect of marriage absurd). I have never had an exclusive relationship before, and I don't want one (for different reasons now than before -- in the past I avoided them, now I understand why I don't want one).
The closest I will ever get to an "exclusive" relationship is something like Owen... I'll have a bottom bitch (not referring to Owen's baby momma as that! lol) and then a couple other girls in my harem heh
Thanks for sharing that dude
The closest I will ever get to an "exclusive" relationship is something like Owen... I'll have a bottom bitch (not referring to Owen's baby momma as that! lol) and then a couple other girls in my harem heh
Thanks for sharing that dude
I was going to say, ignorance is bliss in two ways
1. knowing you can get girls makes you feel highly accountable for your own success, so some degree of pressure
2. knowing that girls can be crazy slut maniacs... so scared of marriage lol!
1. knowing you can get girls makes you feel highly accountable for your own success, so some degree of pressure
2. knowing that girls can be crazy slut maniacs... so scared of marriage lol!
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I think another negative related to learning game is that girls find it creepy.
It means you either have to hide and lie about a big part of your life that has had an amazing positive influence on who you are... or you have to be honest and open, and fight against a negative association and idea associated with learning to get better with women.
It means you either have to hide and lie about a big part of your life that has had an amazing positive influence on who you are... or you have to be honest and open, and fight against a negative association and idea associated with learning to get better with women.
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What if you could get any job, in any field, without a degree OR great connections?
Pro Tip: You Can.
Pro Tip: You Can.
hide and lie? what?
It's just going out to pick up chicks, don't make it into something more. It's creepy because you FRAME it that way -> you view PU in a certain light, and have a lot of hype surrounding it and you're projecting that.
Girls don't need to tell guys, "yeah I wear makeup, and get my hair x, and do x y and z" - much the same way you don't need to tell a girl, "yeah, I've practiced picking up thousands of other girls".
Anyways. my con for game would be the jaded-ness you pick up along the way, seeing immature behavior from both guys and girls, and rudeness.
It's just going out to pick up chicks, don't make it into something more. It's creepy because you FRAME it that way -> you view PU in a certain light, and have a lot of hype surrounding it and you're projecting that.
Girls don't need to tell guys, "yeah I wear makeup, and get my hair x, and do x y and z" - much the same way you don't need to tell a girl, "yeah, I've practiced picking up thousands of other girls".
Anyways. my con for game would be the jaded-ness you pick up along the way, seeing immature behavior from both guys and girls, and rudeness.
I think another negative related to learning game is that girls find it creepy.
It means you either have to hide and lie about a big part of your life that has had an amazing positive influence on who you are... or you have to be honest and open, and fight against a negative association and idea associated with learning to get better with women.
It means you either have to hide and lie about a big part of your life that has had an amazing positive influence on who you are... or you have to be honest and open, and fight against a negative association and idea associated with learning to get better with women.
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Read my review of Get Laid or Die Trying
My personal philosophy: You need to step to every single girl like a fucking bomb. You need to have presence. You need to stand out, and not in a surface level way such as what you're wearing, but as who you are and the way in which you communicate. You need to be unforgettable. You need to create a sense of urgency, that you are now or never. You need to push and at the same time be completely willing to walk away. It is essential to disidentify with the ego, otherwise the inherent rejection associated with pickup will destroy you.
"You need to let them know what kind of man you are, so they know what kind of woman to be."
"Fear is always a constant, but accepting it...makes you stronger."
"Once you done slayed 20-30 of them hoodrats, now you ready to go up to the upper echelon type ho."
"I've got no game. And every face looks the same. They've got no name. So I don't need game to play. I just say whatever I want to whoever I want. Whenever I want, wherever I want, however I want."
My personal philosophy: You need to step to every single girl like a fucking bomb. You need to have presence. You need to stand out, and not in a surface level way such as what you're wearing, but as who you are and the way in which you communicate. You need to be unforgettable. You need to create a sense of urgency, that you are now or never. You need to push and at the same time be completely willing to walk away. It is essential to disidentify with the ego, otherwise the inherent rejection associated with pickup will destroy you.
"You need to let them know what kind of man you are, so they know what kind of woman to be."
"Fear is always a constant, but accepting it...makes you stronger."
"Once you done slayed 20-30 of them hoodrats, now you ready to go up to the upper echelon type ho."
"I've got no game. And every face looks the same. They've got no name. So I don't need game to play. I just say whatever I want to whoever I want. Whenever I want, wherever I want, however I want."
NEVER assume a victim mentality even if you were a victim. That isn’t a road you want to go down.
Truth to the max. I've been stuck in the victim mentality for pretty much my whole life and just now starting to break out of it. Used to think I really wasn't worth anyone's time but now I realize I have a lot to offer when it comes to those who have been mistreated all their lives. Its gone from "poor me" to "hooray for me." Now I just gotta follow up and take massive action.
Best things about being in "the community" IMO are learning social skills (which took me the better part of a decade lol but thank god I did or else I would probs be an antisocial hermit forever), realizing that no one is special just different and your past does not create anything (that is how I got rid of my victim mentality that I used to wear like a badge on my sleeve), and developing abundance/buyer not seller mentality.
Aside from realizing that chicks love using chodes and get off on it (which I have seen happen to my dad as well as some of my best friends), I think another bad thing about "the community" is the fact that treating ppl like objects is more productive than overvaluing them. If anything is a major shock to the system it is that.
Another big, BIG shock to the system is looking back at all the chodes who tried to steer you in the right direction but in the end set you back nearly decades with women. I really haven't lost any respect for women after learning all this stuff and actually getting out there. If anything I have lost respect for chodes, friends and family included. I used to ponder about why my dad was so obsessed with my success and realized that he wanted me to succeed to make him look successful cuz he already saw himself as inadequate with women, being divorced and all. In the nine years between his divorce and his death, I saw my father with only one woman who unceremoniously friended him while picking my up from my job one day. She said to me "if you want a girlfriend, do not act like your dad. He is pathetically awkward with women." A couple weeks after, my childhood friend's girlfriend dumped him after cheating on him with two of his co-workers. So I never had a problem with dealing with women doing and saying crazy shit. I was already privy to that lol.
I'll never forget reconnecting with my mother, who I programmed myself to hate (as well as chicks in general for all the stuff that happened above) and her saying that she wanted to divorce him well before they actually did. Why is this? Cuz looking back my dad was the worst chode ever. Gave me the worst advice on women ever. He really did think that being a supplicating value leech (by doing "nice guy stuff" with an ulterior motive) was more attractive. I remember making fun of chicks and my dad telling me to stop being an a-hole even though the chicks would love it.
So my undying hatred has shifted from women who use chodes to chodes who allow themselves to be used and who are so wrapped in their bullshit ideals that they can't see another way.
Truth to the max. I've been stuck in the victim mentality for pretty much my whole life and just now starting to break out of it. Used to think I really wasn't worth anyone's time but now I realize I have a lot to offer when it comes to those who have been mistreated all their lives. Its gone from "poor me" to "hooray for me." Now I just gotta follow up and take massive action.
Best things about being in "the community" IMO are learning social skills (which took me the better part of a decade lol but thank god I did or else I would probs be an antisocial hermit forever), realizing that no one is special just different and your past does not create anything (that is how I got rid of my victim mentality that I used to wear like a badge on my sleeve), and developing abundance/buyer not seller mentality.
Aside from realizing that chicks love using chodes and get off on it (which I have seen happen to my dad as well as some of my best friends), I think another bad thing about "the community" is the fact that treating ppl like objects is more productive than overvaluing them. If anything is a major shock to the system it is that.
Another big, BIG shock to the system is looking back at all the chodes who tried to steer you in the right direction but in the end set you back nearly decades with women. I really haven't lost any respect for women after learning all this stuff and actually getting out there. If anything I have lost respect for chodes, friends and family included. I used to ponder about why my dad was so obsessed with my success and realized that he wanted me to succeed to make him look successful cuz he already saw himself as inadequate with women, being divorced and all. In the nine years between his divorce and his death, I saw my father with only one woman who unceremoniously friended him while picking my up from my job one day. She said to me "if you want a girlfriend, do not act like your dad. He is pathetically awkward with women." A couple weeks after, my childhood friend's girlfriend dumped him after cheating on him with two of his co-workers. So I never had a problem with dealing with women doing and saying crazy shit. I was already privy to that lol.
I'll never forget reconnecting with my mother, who I programmed myself to hate (as well as chicks in general for all the stuff that happened above) and her saying that she wanted to divorce him well before they actually did. Why is this? Cuz looking back my dad was the worst chode ever. Gave me the worst advice on women ever. He really did think that being a supplicating value leech (by doing "nice guy stuff" with an ulterior motive) was more attractive. I remember making fun of chicks and my dad telling me to stop being an a-hole even though the chicks would love it.
So my undying hatred has shifted from women who use chodes to chodes who allow themselves to be used and who are so wrapped in their bullshit ideals that they can't see another way.
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I got mad knowledge of self. -Us3
Even though they all say that they're real I know that most aren't. -Eminem
Lament not your vanquished fantasy; its only destiny. -Bad Religion
People are either objects, tolerable objects, or subjects depending on how they treat you.
Stop trying to impress chicks. Stop trying to impress guys. Impress yourself for a change.
Be Greedy, not Needy.
Make it a win for both you and her.
I, Hardcase: Advice and analysis for anyone who considers themself a Hardcase Newbie:
Part 1 = http://www.rsdnation.com/node/291325/forum
Part 2 = http://www.rsdnation.com/node/292242/forum
Part 3 = http://www.rsdnation.com/node/293113/forum
Even though they all say that they're real I know that most aren't. -Eminem
Lament not your vanquished fantasy; its only destiny. -Bad Religion
People are either objects, tolerable objects, or subjects depending on how they treat you.
Stop trying to impress chicks. Stop trying to impress guys. Impress yourself for a change.
Be Greedy, not Needy.
Make it a win for both you and her.
I, Hardcase: Advice and analysis for anyone who considers themself a Hardcase Newbie:
Part 1 = http://www.rsdnation.com/node/291325/forum
Part 2 = http://www.rsdnation.com/node/292242/forum
Part 3 = http://www.rsdnation.com/node/293113/forum
NEVER assume a victim mentality even if you were a victim. That isn’t a road you want to go down.
Truth to the max. I've been stuck in the victim mentality for pretty much my whole life and just now starting to break out of it. Used to think I really wasn't worth anyone's time but now I realize I have a lot to offer when it comes to those who have been mistreated all their lives. Its gone from "poor me" to "hooray for me." Now I just gotta follow up and take massive action.
Best things about being in "the community" IMO are learning social skills (which took me the better part of a decade lol but thank god I did or else I would probs be an antisocial hermit forever), realizing that no one is special just different and your past does not create anything (that is how I got rid of my victim mentality that I used to wear like a badge on my sleeve), and developing abundance/buyer not seller mentality.
Aside from realizing that chicks love using chodes and get off on it (which I have seen happen to my dad as well as some of my best friends), I think another bad thing about "the community" is the fact that treating ppl like objects is more productive than overvaluing them. If anything is a major shock to the system it is that.
Another big, BIG shock to the system is looking back at all the chodes who tried to steer you in the right direction but in the end set you back nearly decades with women. I really haven't lost any respect for women after learning all this stuff and actually getting out there. If anything I have lost respect for chodes, friends and family included. I used to ponder about why my dad was so obsessed with my success and realized that he wanted me to succeed to make him look successful cuz he already saw himself as inadequate with women, being divorced and all. In the nine years between his divorce and his death, I saw my father with only one woman who unceremoniously friended him while picking my up from my job one day. She said to me "if you want a girlfriend, do not act like your dad. He is pathetically awkward with women." A couple weeks after, my childhood friend's girlfriend dumped him after cheating on him with two of his co-workers. So I never had a problem with dealing with women doing and saying crazy shit. I was already privy to that lol.
I'll never forget reconnecting with my mother, who I programmed myself to hate (as well as chicks in general for all the stuff that happened above) and her saying that she wanted to divorce him well before they actually did. Why is this? Cuz looking back my dad was the worst chode ever. Gave me the worst advice on women ever. He really did think that being a supplicating value leech (by doing "nice guy stuff" with an ulterior motive) was more attractive. I remember making fun of chicks and my dad telling me to stop being an a-hole even though the chicks would love it.
So my undying hatred has shifted from women who use chodes to chodes who allow themselves to be used and who are so wrapped in their bullshit ideals that they can't see another way.
This sounds like something straight from The Foutainhead!Truth to the max. I've been stuck in the victim mentality for pretty much my whole life and just now starting to break out of it. Used to think I really wasn't worth anyone's time but now I realize I have a lot to offer when it comes to those who have been mistreated all their lives. Its gone from "poor me" to "hooray for me." Now I just gotta follow up and take massive action.
Best things about being in "the community" IMO are learning social skills (which took me the better part of a decade lol but thank god I did or else I would probs be an antisocial hermit forever), realizing that no one is special just different and your past does not create anything (that is how I got rid of my victim mentality that I used to wear like a badge on my sleeve), and developing abundance/buyer not seller mentality.
Aside from realizing that chicks love using chodes and get off on it (which I have seen happen to my dad as well as some of my best friends), I think another bad thing about "the community" is the fact that treating ppl like objects is more productive than overvaluing them. If anything is a major shock to the system it is that.
Another big, BIG shock to the system is looking back at all the chodes who tried to steer you in the right direction but in the end set you back nearly decades with women. I really haven't lost any respect for women after learning all this stuff and actually getting out there. If anything I have lost respect for chodes, friends and family included. I used to ponder about why my dad was so obsessed with my success and realized that he wanted me to succeed to make him look successful cuz he already saw himself as inadequate with women, being divorced and all. In the nine years between his divorce and his death, I saw my father with only one woman who unceremoniously friended him while picking my up from my job one day. She said to me "if you want a girlfriend, do not act like your dad. He is pathetically awkward with women." A couple weeks after, my childhood friend's girlfriend dumped him after cheating on him with two of his co-workers. So I never had a problem with dealing with women doing and saying crazy shit. I was already privy to that lol.
I'll never forget reconnecting with my mother, who I programmed myself to hate (as well as chicks in general for all the stuff that happened above) and her saying that she wanted to divorce him well before they actually did. Why is this? Cuz looking back my dad was the worst chode ever. Gave me the worst advice on women ever. He really did think that being a supplicating value leech (by doing "nice guy stuff" with an ulterior motive) was more attractive. I remember making fun of chicks and my dad telling me to stop being an a-hole even though the chicks would love it.
So my undying hatred has shifted from women who use chodes to chodes who allow themselves to be used and who are so wrapped in their bullshit ideals that they can't see another way.
Great response man. Sounds like you have come a long way from where you used to be. Who really is to blame? The girl or the guy that allows her to get away with all the bullshit? I take FULL RESPONSIBLITY for my actions, so I would personally place the blame on myself. The problem is people are always looking for someone else to blame and can't take ownership for their fuck ups.
Thanks for sharing that story.
Our past experiences shape who we are today. NEVER assume a victim mentality even if you were a victim. That isn’t a road you want to go down. Rather, appreciate those experiences (good and bad), and embrace that they have shaped who you are today and who you are CAPABLE of becoming.
Quoted for truth. __________________
hide and lie? what?
It's just going out to pick up chicks, don't make it into something more. It's creepy because you FRAME it that way -> you view PU in a certain light, and have a lot of hype surrounding it and you're projecting that.
Girls don't need to tell guys, "yeah I wear makeup, and get my hair x, and do x y and z" - much the same way you don't need to tell a girl, "yeah, I've practiced picking up thousands of other girls".
Anyways. my con for game would be the jaded-ness you pick up along the way, seeing immature behavior from both guys and girls, and rudeness.
No, it's creepy because they find it creepy. Trust me, I have no trouble framing this, I've been into this for long enough to have gone through this plenty.It's just going out to pick up chicks, don't make it into something more. It's creepy because you FRAME it that way -> you view PU in a certain light, and have a lot of hype surrounding it and you're projecting that.
Girls don't need to tell guys, "yeah I wear makeup, and get my hair x, and do x y and z" - much the same way you don't need to tell a girl, "yeah, I've practiced picking up thousands of other girls".
Anyways. my con for game would be the jaded-ness you pick up along the way, seeing immature behavior from both guys and girls, and rudeness.
I think another negative related to learning game is that girls find it creepy.
It means you either have to hide and lie about a big part of your life that has had an amazing positive influence on who you are... or you have to be honest and open, and fight against a negative association and idea associated with learning to get better with women.
It means you either have to hide and lie about a big part of your life that has had an amazing positive influence on who you are... or you have to be honest and open, and fight against a negative association and idea associated with learning to get better with women.
My girlfriend tells me that she wears makeup if it comes up... she doesn't hide it, because that would be weird.
By the same token, if this stuff comes up in conversation because I talk about how I used to be shy, and she asks what happened... I'm not going to hide that shit. You don't frame it as pickup... but the fact remains that I've posted 3000 posts on the RSD forum, gone out with people to learn about girls,etc. The longer you spend with someone (I almost never have one night stands), the more likely that different parts of your life will come out.
Even if I hadn't learned anything about "pickup", going out to improve your social skills and approaching lots of strangers is seen as creepy. It's a downside... not that big a deal, but trying to hide this fact is silly.
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What if you could get any job, in any field, without a degree OR great connections?
Pro Tip: You Can.
Pro Tip: You Can.
Like you said with 'taking the pill', you see shit that others can't, thats as much a 'gift' as it is a curse.
"I'm in love with the game, but hey I'm not in love with all of it" - T.I.
"I'm in love with the game, but hey I'm not in love with all of it" - T.I.
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Don't worry, it's all ok..
"You're the mini-cherry on top of the regular cherry on top of the sundae of awesomeness that is my life." - Barney Stinson
"You're the mini-cherry on top of the regular cherry on top of the sundae of awesomeness that is my life." - Barney Stinson
Drama
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Join Date: 02/26/2008 | Posts: 3727
In reflection, if I had been a natural growing up, I wouldn’t have needed RSD, and definitely wouldn’t have the level of development I’ve achieved. The bottom line…I wouldn’t change ANYTHING that has happened to me in the past. Not the SHITTY four months I spent in the hospital, not the ridiculous amount of embarrassing shit I did while dabbling in M. Method haha
Our past experiences shape who we are today. NEVER assume a victim mentality even if you were a victim. That isn’t a road you want to go down. Rather, appreciate those experiences (good and bad), and embrace that they have shaped who you are today and who you are CAPABLE of becoming.
Studying social dynamics has largely been a positive influence on me. I’m going to touch on the subtle negative aspects of learning game shortly, but first, let’s look at the positive.
Choice
Having the ability to go out, see a cute girl, and take her home is an incredible perk. HOLY SHIT. I can’t imagine being the chode that sits around and thinks life is like a Hollywood movie. The girl of your dreams doesn’t just move in next door and want to fuck you because you’re a level 60 Warlock. If you want to get a super high-quality girl, you have to be a super high-quality guy…or a complete scumbag.
Community/Networking
RSD attracts two types of guys…the guys that want to improve themselves and hook up with more girls of their choosing, and forum trolls.
Events like the World Summit reinforce the fact that there are a lot of guys out there going out and meeting girls and having success. When I was going out solo for about a year straight, I hit this weird state that wasn’t exactly depression, but a negative mindset and a feeling of being alone.
Events like World Summit, bootcamp, HotSeat, and RSDn reinforce that there are guys actively going out and working on getter better at this shit. That’s fucking inspirational.
Since moving to a bigger city, I’ve found a new wing that has incredibly good game, and is fucking fun to hang out with. The type of guys RSD attracts and keeps around are pretty fucking badass. All the instructors I have met are unique and awesome in their own way. Even the majority of bootcamp students I see are kick ass guys. There is a mutual respect among guys that actively go out and work on this stuff, and that is fucking unique.
Self-development and Social Skills
These are probably the most obvious benefits of learning social dynamics. As aforementioned above, the community attracts a unique type of guy. There has been a significant transition from “fucking bitches” to “developing yourself and attracting high-quality girls” – though I’m still fond of the prior. A lot of emphasis has been placed on the personal development side of things. Handling your health, learning to be present, learning to be unreactive, killing the needy bitch inside you, etc…
I’m just as excited about the self-development side of RSD as I am about the social dynamics side. I hesitate to even separate the two because they are so intricately intertwined.
Improved social skills is pretty obvious. Not only have I learned to become extremely proficient at meeting women I don’t know and have sex with them the same night, but I’ve also learned to be charismatic in front of any stranger…guy or girl.
My highly polished social skills have helped me land some kickass opportunities. I got an amazing internship right after I graduated college, and from there I got a coveted job in one of the greatest cities in the country. If I hadn’t learned to be socially savvy, I highly doubt I’d be here now.
Living A Life of Action, Abundance, and Entitlement
I deeply value taking massive action. I got the motivation to become a man of action from studying social dynamics. I learned to live a life of my own intentions. Fuck social conditioning bullshit. Doing what you want to do feels so fucking good.
I LOVE the concept of having an abundance mindset. It feels like the universe presents you with everything you have an abundance mindset for. You get MORE girls, MORE money, MORE PROTEIN, and whatever else you hold an abundance mindset for.
“The hungry don’t get fed.” -- ain’t that the truth.
My ALL TIME favorite concept is ENTITLEMENT. If you don’t feel you deserve a super high-quality attractive girl, you won’t get her. My entitlement has skyrocketed recently, but I know that I’ve barely scratched the surface here.
There are a bunch of other positive aspects of learning game, but I wanted to share some that had the most influence on me.
What positive influences have you gotten from learning game?
Negative Aspects of Learning Game
While there are definitely more positive influences from learning game, I have experienced some pretty crazy shit that has jaded me for a long time. I used to think it would be permanent, but over time, I’ve realized that it is only temporary…I’ll explain why at the end.
Ridiculous Shit Girls Do
The better I get at pickup, the more crazy shit I see that really fucks with my head. At first it was just shit like girls cheating on their boyfriends because they hated the relationship and he thought she was cheating anyway. Then it evolved to hooking up with a few married girls in shitty marriages.
Things started to get WEIRD when I witnessed girls rationalize why they should have sex with me. Girls with boyfriends would start pseudo-fights to rationalize cheating. Girls would leave the club with me when they came out that night with their boyfriend! Married women would take me home to fuck them at their house when their husband was out of town. I even had a married girl take me home and told me I had to be quiet because her husband was sleeping.
About this time I started to get jaded. Fuck girlfriends. Fuck marriage. That shit is for chodes! I lost all respect for women from witnessing this shit.
What really put me over the edge was the hardcore shit that didn’t happen often, but only needed to happen once. I remember Owen telling a story of a girl trying to get pregnant by him and she was going to have her boyfriend believe it was his kid…HOLY SHIT.
Well, I had a similar situation come up with a woman I slept with and later found out she had been trying to get pregnant for a few months with no luck. She lied and told me she was on the pill…and OF COURSE I didn’t use a condom heh – this was before Owen’s condom video btw
This shit haunted me for a long time. It took me a while to figure out that girls do this shit when they are in relationships/married to chodey guys. Guys that can’t relate as a man to a woman. Guys that don’t take massive action. Guys that don’t live a life of their own design.
We have those qualities and are going to spend the rest of our lives further developing them. The amazing girl that you decide to settle down with (for however long) isn’t going to cheat on you. She isn’t going to meet a guy of your caliber worth fucking the relationship up for.
Just like Neo in the Matrix, we chose to swallow this pill. As they say, it is what it is. Don’t judge it or label it, but just accept it for what it is.
Now, I fucking love this stuff. I love the crazy stories. I love the crazy adventures. It makes this game so much damn fun.
For all you guys that feel jaded by the shit you’ve seen and judge women for their occasionally obscene behavior, realize that that feeling isn’t permanent unless you make it so.
What are some negative aspects you’ve experienced from learning game? I’m willing to bet the majority of them are only temporary.