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December 6th, 2016
Consistent Sex on First Meeting – Here’s How:
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VanofVictory

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Join Date: 06/21/2012 | Posts: 113

I was thinking about at all the chicks I’ve been with over the last year and how almost every girl I’ve met for a “date” slept with me that night within about two or three hours. Forums of the pick up community are filled by stories of guys who struggle to convert phone numbers and meetings into sex, with descriptions of long seductions that take weeks and months, stories I can’t relate to at all…. Weeks? Months? What the hell are they talking about… sex is easy.

So I looked back on my “dates” and tried analyzing what exactly I’ve been doing, reverse engineering backwards the meeting from sex to the initial encounter. What was I telling these girls that made them want to sleep with me?

What I realized is that much of what I’m doing goes against “community wisdom”, stuff that is a little counter intuitive, particularly in the areas of conversational topics and revealing too much too quickly.

It’s common community knowledge that during the first few dates you should avoid conversations that are too serious, conversational subjects, which some people refer to as “death topics”. What’s a “death topic”? Anything serious; the meaning of life, family, politics, religion, philosophy, career plans…. anything “deep” or intellectual. Instead, they say, you should keep things “light and not too serious”. In other words “the community” promotes “bullshit banter” as the best way to get into a woman’s pants.

I beleive this to be absolutely wrong and I’ll explain why shortly. But first, to clarify, I’m not saying that you should approach a girl in a party and start talking with her about the meaning of life…not at all. However, when getting to know a girl over drinks or during a “perfect date” scenario, these are actually the best conversational topics you can have and it is easy to see why.

Ask a woman a direct question – “what kind of a man are you looking for?” and she’ll give you a simple straight answer: Most women are looking for an intelligent, interesting, and passionate man. Period. Women want to meet a man they can have an intellectual, deep and spiritual conversations with. They talk about music, TV shows and Hollywood gossip with their friends, on a day to day basis. So why the hell would you wait for your 4th or 5th date before you bring up deep and intellectual topics?

It is also community common knowledge that at first you shouldn’t talk too much about yourself, but instead deflect the conversation to the girl, keeping yourself “a mystery” as much as possible. They say the girl should work hard to discover who you are and that you should reveal yourself slowly over a long period of time.

Long period of time? I don’t really get this either… what are we aiming for here exactly? Sex as soon as possible, or a two months dating period? The faster you show the girl how awesome you are, the faster she’ll want to sleep with you. When a girl is screen guys for sex, they are looking for comfort and security. Give those things to her by opening up and showing that you have nothing to hide. Trust her with your soul and she’ll trust you with her body.

So here is what I’m saying: forget community common knowledge. Go deep, go hard and go fast. This is what I do.

As soon as I meet a girl for a Day 2 I completely reveal myself to her. I start by telling her my life’s philosophy and values: How I’m trying to live every day as if it is my last. How I’m always trying to stay positive, no matter what shit happens to me. How little I care for other people’s opinions and how I only follow my own path, questioning everything, assuming that all is dogma until proven otherwise. I talk about how most people are lazy, always complaining that their lives are not good enough and how everybody is searching for a “magic pill” that will fix their problems instantly, rather than putting an effort to actually improve their lives. I talk about poetry, about the difference between male and female energies, about meditation and healthy food, about living on a higher consciousness and how I try to surround myself only with similarly minded, positive, happy, intelligent people.

But I don’t just talk the talk… I then relate all of the above to my own life. I tell them how I left my home country when I was 21 with less than $3000 to “find myself” and went for a trip around the world, never looking back and never to return. How I’ve been traveling the world for the last ten years, living in Eastern Europe, London and New York, and how now I’m living nowhere at all. I tell them how I started a business when I was 22 and found myself managing a team of 20 people just two years later, how I knew from a very young age that I would be creating work for others rather than working for someone else. I tell them how I was doing this while managing my girlfriends music career turning her from a nobody to an internationally recognized artist, while also completing two degrees, in just three and a half years.

While I’m telling them this I’m not trying to impress. I start by saying that we should get to know each other and then simply share with them my experiences. I’m never too serious, I’m passionate, I joke around, I jump from topic to topic, from story to story. I relate my stories to their own lives, asking them questions about themselves and then relate my “knowledge” to their situation.

I then throw something sexualised into the conversation. For example, I’ll ask them what they think the differences are between men and women, and then go into my own theories on the subject. I’ll tell them how sex is the best example for how different men and women really are as demonstrated by our different sexual preferences – how women like to be “taken” while I like to be the one who “takes”. How I’ve never been the one who wanted to be “tied down” but instead the one who likes to do the tying.

What they’re getting from this is a very clear picture of who they are dealing with: a good, passionate, funny and interesting guy, who is also going to give them the best sex they ever had.

It’s a total mind fuck. By this point my date will usually let me do to her whatever I like, pull her to my room, to the nearest hotel, to the van, or to a toilet. No last minute resistance… never. No day 3, day 4 or day 5 needed.

What you should get from this is the frame, not the particular details. It’s not about the traveling or the awesome lifestyle. It’s about knowing who you are, what you want from yourself and from life, and not being afraid to share it. Simply, it’s about being a man.

Anybody can and should cultivate an interesting personality and lifestyle. That goes without saying and when it comes to dating, it should be your first priority. Once you do that – don’t be afraid to share your personality and passion with the women you are dating. It will get you into their pants (and hearts) faster than any technique or tactic.

If you have any question or comment, let me know. Thanks for reading! 
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Foxx

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 Cool post!
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Hyperion_Dark

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Thanks for the info. Insightful into my current problem where I have attraction but not comfort of security.
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Wonderful post, I agree with you 100 %.
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Todd

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What I do is quite similar in a lot of ways... good thoughts.
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It’s about knowing who you are, what you want from yourself and from life, and not being afraid to share it.
This.

Truth is you could be a total nobody with even less going for you with nothing but pipe dreams. But as long as you aren't comparing yourself to others and always worrying about measuring up you will look good when it comes to ambition. All you need is one little passion for something. Combine this with good vocal and good physical game and sex on the first date (or at least fooling around on the first date) is pretty much guaranteed.
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Ladna

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Wow great post maannn. I sooo agree with you.
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100% true, real talk.
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rsd2012

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Def agree with this, the only caveat being that the girl has to have an attention span and the ability to hold an intellectual conversation herself (ie not plan a when cold approaching a party girl in a club)
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 I just broke my promise of not posting on the main forum but I resonate so much with your post I had to express my appreciation. Thank you. 
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Mark-e

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Join Date: 05/04/2012 | Posts: 16

 realy awesome post.. 
when i think about that and about my past interactions i can say that you are right and all my successful interactions with women were just like you described here.
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