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Let's put this in perspective: Forbes Magazine lists Gisele Bundchen as the highest paid female model working today - she made $45 million last year, just by being good looking. Seeing as she's real purdy she also gets to be a UN Ambassador and gets the occasional role in Hollywood movies and features on talk shows. She is the 16th richest woman in entertainment and is on course to become a billionairess- just by being really good looking.
Guess who her male counterpart is? For that matter, can you even name ONE male model?
Again from Forbes, his name is Taylor Fuchs, and he made $500,000 last year modelling for D&G, Pringle, Fendi, YSL.... The guy is no slouch.
So, all other things being equal, the value derived from a good looking man's looks is worth 1.111% of a hot woman's.
Guess who her male counterpart is? For that matter, can you even name ONE male model?
Again from Forbes, his name is Taylor Fuchs, and he made $500,000 last year modelling for D&G, Pringle, Fendi, YSL.... The guy is no slouch.
So, all other things being equal, the value derived from a good looking man's looks is worth 1.111% of a hot woman's.
Being good looking is like having a good build in sports, it will give you an edge in the amateurs but wont help you with the pros
For a girl it is roughly
80% behavior, both yours and how others behave towards you
10% looks in the form of grooming etc (which you can easily control)
10% genetics, stuff you cant control.
In a world with majority of chodes those 10% will give you and edge and thus other chodes will think that looks equals success.
Looks doesn’t build businesses, looks doesn’t kill dangerous animals, looks doesn’t win wars. If you have nothing else to go on then sure looks at least have some value, that’s also the reason why girls need more time to build attraction for the simple reason that looks are not nearly enough.
From every logical standpoint it is stupid to worry about looks for attracting girls, its like working on your looks to be an CEO for a big company, Its not what they are looking for and a stupid strategy to have.
Just as you dress in a certain way in business you should pay attention to your grooming and the stuff you can control, its stupid to make it harder then it has to be if you can easily control those 10% and give yourself a good start.
This is great. This is exactly how I feel it relates and how it works! For a girl it is roughly
80% behavior, both yours and how others behave towards you
10% looks in the form of grooming etc (which you can easily control)
10% genetics, stuff you cant control.
In a world with majority of chodes those 10% will give you and edge and thus other chodes will think that looks equals success.
Looks doesn’t build businesses, looks doesn’t kill dangerous animals, looks doesn’t win wars. If you have nothing else to go on then sure looks at least have some value, that’s also the reason why girls need more time to build attraction for the simple reason that looks are not nearly enough.
From every logical standpoint it is stupid to worry about looks for attracting girls, its like working on your looks to be an CEO for a big company, Its not what they are looking for and a stupid strategy to have.
Just as you dress in a certain way in business you should pay attention to your grooming and the stuff you can control, its stupid to make it harder then it has to be if you can easily control those 10% and give yourself a good start.
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"Strength does not come from winning. Your struggles develop your strengths. When you go through hardships and decide not to surrender, that is strength"-Arnold Schwarzenegger
"Strength does not come from winning. Your struggles develop your strengths. When you go through hardships and decide not to surrender, that is strength"-Arnold Schwarzenegger
Ya bro i have a similar problem. only with me its my huge dong that DOESN'T get me laid.
Hey guys I'm really good looking, WAAAAAAAH./
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My personal philosophy: You need to step to every single girl like a fucking bomb. You need to have presence. You need to stand out, and not in a surface level way such as what you're wearing, but as who you are and the way in which you communicate. You need to be unforgettable. You need to create a sense of urgency, that you are now or never. You need to push and at the same time be completely willing to walk away. It is essential to disidentify with the ego, otherwise the inherent rejection associated with pickup will destroy you.
"You need to let them know what kind of man you are, so they know what kind of woman to be."
"Fear is always a constant, but accepting it...makes you stronger."
"Once you done slayed 20-30 of them hoodrats, now you ready to go up to the upper echelon type ho."
"I've got no game. And every face looks the same. They've got no name. So I don't need game to play. I just say whatever I want to whoever I want. Whenever I want, wherever I want, however I want."
My personal philosophy: You need to step to every single girl like a fucking bomb. You need to have presence. You need to stand out, and not in a surface level way such as what you're wearing, but as who you are and the way in which you communicate. You need to be unforgettable. You need to create a sense of urgency, that you are now or never. You need to push and at the same time be completely willing to walk away. It is essential to disidentify with the ego, otherwise the inherent rejection associated with pickup will destroy you.
"You need to let them know what kind of man you are, so they know what kind of woman to be."
"Fear is always a constant, but accepting it...makes you stronger."
"Once you done slayed 20-30 of them hoodrats, now you ready to go up to the upper echelon type ho."
"I've got no game. And every face looks the same. They've got no name. So I don't need game to play. I just say whatever I want to whoever I want. Whenever I want, wherever I want, however I want."
ANybody else seen this thread? Valid points regarding this topic.
www.rsdnation.com/node/116410
www.rsdnation.com/node/116410
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You can always tone it down a notch. If you go to a venue with chodes, dont dress as awesome.
Try making fun of yourself in set.
Another poster said it right when comparing athletes to athletes who only look the part.
Try making fun of yourself in set.
Another poster said it right when comparing athletes to athletes who only look the part.
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As a professional male model I can give some insight into this.
Yeah... it might seem ridiculous... but this thread actually hits home, and maybe some other guys are too embarassed to post this stuff.
I think consequences of being " very good looking" are as a male are naturally polarised. There are many advantages but also several (almost equal) disadvantages.
Some points to note are:
1) Women want to have greater physical attractiveness in a relationship. This is rooted in evolutionary psychology, mate retention and childbearing strategy. Female beauty is also the leverage of the feminine, there is pride and joy in it's appreciation. If you happen to fall in the top 0.1% of male looks you've been dealt a quirky hand. The women who you desire , and who desire you for more than short term relationships are equally rare.... Whilst short term sexual satisfaction is usually easy, fulfillment is not - in some sense girls are robbed of their femininity and pride if you are (in their eyes) more attractive. It can easily break down relationships and cause insecurity in the girl ...as it has several times for me, even though I didn't agree!
2) It can make you more desirable, but make YOUR reciprocated desire much rarer. I have friends who can walk down streets checking out girls and finding most of them attractive. I would LOVE to have that experience, but I don't. This is a comment mirrored by several other guys at my agency: going to a club and finding only a few, or one, or no girls attractive. Or talking to objectively 8/10 girls but not feeling authentic in the attraction. I would much rather be attracted to a higher % of girls because the girls I'm interested in are super rare and usually locked down. On the other hand, you DO get a lot of freebies... usually very hot and aggressive drunk girls.
3) Girls and other guys will often frame you as gay. There is something feminine or even jealousy inducing about being too handsome/pretty as mentioned before. A lot of girls will frame you as gay for whatever reason. This seems to be way more common with girls who are below a certain looks level. Guys might be jealous. They might also notice you're not so interested in every girl, or in the girls most of them find attractive.
4) It doesn't make game easier, but makes it DIFFERENT. I spent a long time studying game for normal dudes, I got some success but to the most degree found myself even more mis-calibrated. It took observing and error correcting my own experiences to refine the game that worked for me. This was often f**** up avoidance game, listening, lowering self value and raising their value. Learning to be nice with my internals sorted resulted in a 2817% lay improvement. Other tools/mindsets like cocky funny and self-amusement weren't so effective and were more likely to be interpreted badly. This kind of good looking guy game is different but offers a lot of challenges.
5) Ultimately, factors like looks do create differences in the process. Commonly held positive assumptions often mask real disadvantages. So perhaps there is an "ideal" male attractiveness, my hunch is that it's neither average nor "extremely good looking", but somewhere inbetween. What most discussions like these entail is a pre-occupation with unchangeable variables, much like height, as a protective mechanism not to take action. I'm hugely action this! Comparative thinking is useless - what's important is to act and error correct on your own experience. Always be taking action and throwing excuses away.
This is equally as true for the good looking guys as the ugly crew!
Yeah... it might seem ridiculous... but this thread actually hits home, and maybe some other guys are too embarassed to post this stuff.
I think consequences of being " very good looking" are as a male are naturally polarised. There are many advantages but also several (almost equal) disadvantages.
Some points to note are:
1) Women want to have greater physical attractiveness in a relationship. This is rooted in evolutionary psychology, mate retention and childbearing strategy. Female beauty is also the leverage of the feminine, there is pride and joy in it's appreciation. If you happen to fall in the top 0.1% of male looks you've been dealt a quirky hand. The women who you desire , and who desire you for more than short term relationships are equally rare.... Whilst short term sexual satisfaction is usually easy, fulfillment is not - in some sense girls are robbed of their femininity and pride if you are (in their eyes) more attractive. It can easily break down relationships and cause insecurity in the girl ...as it has several times for me, even though I didn't agree!
2) It can make you more desirable, but make YOUR reciprocated desire much rarer. I have friends who can walk down streets checking out girls and finding most of them attractive. I would LOVE to have that experience, but I don't. This is a comment mirrored by several other guys at my agency: going to a club and finding only a few, or one, or no girls attractive. Or talking to objectively 8/10 girls but not feeling authentic in the attraction. I would much rather be attracted to a higher % of girls because the girls I'm interested in are super rare and usually locked down. On the other hand, you DO get a lot of freebies... usually very hot and aggressive drunk girls.
3) Girls and other guys will often frame you as gay. There is something feminine or even jealousy inducing about being too handsome/pretty as mentioned before. A lot of girls will frame you as gay for whatever reason. This seems to be way more common with girls who are below a certain looks level. Guys might be jealous. They might also notice you're not so interested in every girl, or in the girls most of them find attractive.
4) It doesn't make game easier, but makes it DIFFERENT. I spent a long time studying game for normal dudes, I got some success but to the most degree found myself even more mis-calibrated. It took observing and error correcting my own experiences to refine the game that worked for me. This was often f**** up avoidance game, listening, lowering self value and raising their value. Learning to be nice with my internals sorted resulted in a 2817% lay improvement. Other tools/mindsets like cocky funny and self-amusement weren't so effective and were more likely to be interpreted badly. This kind of good looking guy game is different but offers a lot of challenges.
5) Ultimately, factors like looks do create differences in the process. Commonly held positive assumptions often mask real disadvantages. So perhaps there is an "ideal" male attractiveness, my hunch is that it's neither average nor "extremely good looking", but somewhere inbetween. What most discussions like these entail is a pre-occupation with unchangeable variables, much like height, as a protective mechanism not to take action. I'm hugely action this! Comparative thinking is useless - what's important is to act and error correct on your own experience. Always be taking action and throwing excuses away.
This is equally as true for the good looking guys as the ugly crew!
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As a professional male model I can give some insight into this.
Post pics please.*unzips
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Once I got done with college tho, I didnt have that huge social group anymore. I started going out, trying to build groups of friends, meet new girls, and realized I was not very good at talking to girls. In fact I was about as awkward and weird as you could get. Chicks have always given me looks, given me IOIs or whatever....until I would talk to them. Then it was just blank confused looks. Good looks can only take you so far if you dont know how to talk to girls and just be social