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May 20th, 2013
I have a hard time sticking to plans, how to build discipline and is it really worth it ?
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jarnow

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Join Date: 01/07/2012 | Posts: 80

So, long time no see..

I just had a question that is roaming through my mind the couple days..
There are alot of things i still want to improve but i don't know how, the past years i made many structurized plans to make my life better etc but i could never stick to them..
And if i missed one day or one task i'd beat myself up so bad that i'd quit the entire plans i made !
Alot of it had to do with feeling bad and not having enough discipline but right now my question is.. I want to incorporate things like :

- Cooking better, eating better and healthier things !
- Reading
- Writing lyrics and practicing my singing more disciplined
- Meditating
- Visualization
- Working out..

I wish i could find a way to be more disciplined in these plans that i make and i want to do cuz i know they are good for me !
Also i have the expirience because i have a form of autism (PDD nos), that everything needs to be perfect and when i make plans to stricly i often don't follow through cuz i fuck up one little thing and then it just doesn't fit in my mind anymore and i quit..

I now have a few things that are certain in my plan and that is : 3 days work, i try to workout 3 times a week also.. and 1 day singing lessons !

Then the rest of the time i try to devote to cleaning my room, doing stuff with my girlfriend, singing, listening to music, watching tv etc..

Which is pretty good but i'm just wondering why i can't have a lil more discipline to do these extra things and live a more productive and organized life..
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I am a slacker as well.
What I have to share you is Tony Robbins motto: create motion first and raise your standarts.

Chose the area that is easier to make progress, chunk it down to little tasks.
When if starts to flow, you have motion of being happy for the amount of many task that you succeeded.
Now apply to other areas.
and then state and raise what is your mininmum of each area you need daily to feel good, because you have something to compare, when you haven't done and when you done it and felt happy.

Discipline is freedom.
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I haven't read only one sentence from your OP jarnow.


Just that you're asking   "... discipline, and is it really worth it?",  is just about enough for me.




.... without discipline.... men. what do you think you're going to hear now?






all best and keep on doing.
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jarnow

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-destroyed wrote:
I haven't read only one sentence from your OP jarnow.


Just that you're asking   "... discipline, and is it really worth it?",  is just about enough for me.




.... without discipline.... men. what do you think you're going to hear now?






all best and keep on doing.
with that i meant, is it really worth it to live a life full of rules for yourself ? 
why not just enjoy life and don't live it so structurized etc..
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 I have ADHD. Something I have accepted is that setting goals are most likely to fail, because my brain simply is not wired like that.
If you want to know why I suggest you read more in ADHD.

Now I don't know how it is with autism, but maybe you are hard on yourself about something you can't do anything about.
Like a paralized person constantly being mad at himself for not being able to walk!

Then, when you accepted it, you can work around it.
I get accomplished a lot but I don't set goals anymore for far away in the future.
My goals are set in a short time period.
Example: I need to write an essay for 20th of june.
I need to learn for an exam that I have at 19th of june.

No goals for the far future. 

Within those goals I try to stay as flexible and in the moment as possible.
This sounds like another Tolle-fanboy shit.
A part of ADHD is not that you are not able to concentrate, its more that you concentrate on everything around you. So, I want to clean my room, I find something i wrote in the past. I start to read it and before I know it I am busy with some Anthony Robbins excersises.
Well, so be it.
I get back to the task eventually, but it might just take me a bit longer then most.
Then hyper focus sets in and I finish my project with 3 hours where others need 2 weeks of work.

I always thought I needed tons of rules to accomplish stuff, but this always backfired. 
I just go with the flow.
In a way people with ADHD are being forced into the moment because they are really bad in anticipating the future + they get distracted constantly what happens 'now'.
I can hate this, I can hate how I can not stick to a task. Talking negative about it and shit. And even hate myself, hate my mother for her genes etc... but, what good is that gonna do?
Just roll with what you have. 
Now you don't have ADHD, but you can take something out of what I am saying.
Find your own way in doing things.
If it did not work the first, second and thirth time you might want to change the aproach.

This might mean you need to make big chances now, and just tweaking it a bit in the future. 
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jarnow wrote:

-destroyed wrote:
I haven't read only one sentence from your OP jarnow.


Just that you're asking   "... discipline, and is it really worth it?",  is just about enough for me.




.... without discipline.... men. what do you think you're going to hear now?






all best and keep on doing.
with that i meant, is it really worth it to live a life full of rules for yourself ? 
why not just enjoy life and don't live it so structurized etc..

Find the balance.

There are times when you will have to push yourself real hard in order to achieve certain things, and on the other side there will be room (which sometimes you will have to CREATE by yourself) to chill and relax.
It really depends on your long term goals. In order to achieve big long term goals, it will come naturally to you to attain a certain amount of discipline, in order to get the job done properly.

Don't loose yourself in structure. Give yourself time. Live a little and work hard.

Do what feels good, but be ready to work your ass off, if you have to.
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-destroyed wrote:

jarnow wrote:

-destroyed wrote:
I haven't read only one sentence from your OP jarnow.


Just that you're asking   "... discipline, and is it really worth it?",  is just about enough for me.




.... without discipline.... men. what do you think you're going to hear now?






all best and keep on doing.
with that i meant, is it really worth it to live a life full of rules for yourself ? 
why not just enjoy life and don't live it so structurized etc..

Find the balance.

There are times when you will have to push yourself real hard in order to achieve certain things, and on the other side there will be room (which sometimes you will have to CREATE by yourself) to chill and relax.
It really depends on your long term goals. In order to achieve big long term goals, it will come naturally to you to attain a certain amount of discipline, in order to get the job done properly.

Don't loose yourself in structure. Give yourself time. Live a little and work hard.

Do what feels good, but be ready to work your ass off, if you have to.


That big long term goal-thing is a self help concept. I have not taken any action in the past because I was thinking so hard about my long term goal haha
I just does not work for me like that, but I do agree a lot that people need to push theirselves.

So, why not look around and see where you can push yourself now? No need to have a long term goal.
The other day I was talking to a athlete, he is super strong. He told me he never really had long term goals, he just liked sport a lot and kept at it.

Long term goals can be a great motivator, but it can also put you in a circle in search for that long term goal while life is happening around you.

I do not disagree with you, i just wanted to balance out the perspectice 
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yep. you're right. It can backfire at you, if you're not aware of the "...it can also put you in a circle in search for that long term goal while life is happening around you.".

right to a 100%.
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I remember when I first got into RSD, I forced myself to adopt certain habits. I forced myself to approach girls, I forced myself to take on waaaayyy too much all at the same time. My suggestion is to take just ONE. just one habit and put it into your daily routine. start small, until it becomes as natural as brushing your teeth.
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im2park wrote:
I remember when I first got into RSD, I forced myself to adopt certain habits. I forced myself to approach girls, I forced myself to take on waaaayyy too much all at the same time. My suggestion is to take just ONE. just one habit and put it into your daily routine. start small, until it becomes as natural as brushing your teeth.
I think you will be much further in 1 year with this approach then the person that trys to force himself with lots of shit.
The latter ends up being burned out, the fone that works on 1 thing a day builds momentum

Nice one
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You have to implement habits, ONE AT A TIME. 

To implement a habit you have to focus on it for an extended period of time. 

I'd advise you to:

1) Make a list of all the habits you want to implement
You need to brainstorm. Find the habits you'd like to have. 
Listing your main goals will help. Start with goals, see the habits you need to achive them, list those habits. 

2) Write an action plan how what you need to get there
For example, if you want to eat paleo, you need to go to a new grocery store because it's the only one where you'll find good fruits and vegetables. 

3) Make a new list of the habits you ACTUALLY need to be succesful (you discover them during step 2)
In this example, you must implement the habit of going to the grocery store instead of going to McDonald's. Habits have an ecosystem, and you have to design it. 
If you want to read, you have to find time, but in order to do that you have to implement the habit of managing your schedule and planning your day. Otherwise you'll never find 3h to sit and read. Managing your schedule is now a part of your habit list. 

4) Focus on ONE habit for 30 days straight, i.e. 30 day challenge on one habit. 
If you do only 7 days, you'll lose it. 
They say you have to focus on 21 days to împlement a habit, but the safe way is 30 days. Plus, it's easy to manage. 
You want to implement key habits first. There are overarching habits you need to implement first, so that the rest comes easily. For example, habits like planning a schedule, journaling, setting goals and action plans, are very important and can come first. 

5) After 30 days, switch to another one, and repeat until your list is done.
You don't give up on the first one, you keep on practicing, but now your focus switch to another one. It's gonna be easy because the first one is on autopilot.

I'd advise you to start with overarching habits and easy habits, so that you get the hang of it. In practical terms, it means: take the habit of journalling every day for 30 days (overarching habit), THEN start implementing an easy habit to get momentum (like 10 push ups every morning, and you keep on journaling), then get to the hard stuff. 

And check those threads:
http://www.rsdnation.com/node/140026
http://www.rsdnation.com/node/129196
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