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May 25th, 2013
I fucked it up, 2 dates no kiss, do I still have a chance or friends zone?
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avalos316

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Join Date: 08/20/2011 | Posts: 34

Hi, I met this girl at a party, talked for a few minutes, we went on a first date a week after, it was fun, but i just kissed her on the cheek . Second date was last nigh we went out have a blast, i tried to be a little more touchy but i just feel like she was just not letting me. Well we have a great time, we said good bye i kissed her in the cheek again, and she gave me a hug after, i wanted to go for the kiss in the mouth when she was huging me , but i did not do it. Well after the hug, i was walking away from her car and she yell at me Ihad a really fun night, i really wanna do this again. I just did a hand sign trying to act cool. Well anyways, I know that you are supposed to kiss as soon as possible, damn two nights before going on my second date with this girl i was making out with a girl at a bar after talking to her for only 5 minutes, but someone I couldnt get myself to kiss this girl as I do like her, while the one of the bar i just saw her as a pretty girl good enough to make out at that moment, and beside we were drinking.  I think this girl likes me because on the first date she missed a family party to go out with me, and last nigh, she is into boxing, she missed the pacquiado fight to go out with me, but everytime i tried to be more touchy during the date, she just kind of moved away. So when I ask her for the second date a few days from now, i know i would have to go for the kiss, but in your opinion guys since i did not make the move befofe, Am i already on her friends zone?  btw She my best friend last year before i was good friends with my best friends so i did not know about this until when  she told me, he  is a player, so she felt dissapointed when she discovered he was a player and broke up with her. I have not talked to my friend about this girl bc he is in vacations and wont come back until next month.
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avalos316

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Join Date: 08/20/2011 | Posts: 34

I meant to say she dated my best friend last year
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BKW

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I know it is wrong not to read your whole paragrapgh, but from the title alone I will try to answer your question:

I don't think it's too late unless she isn't allowing you to get physical at all.  Basically, to know for sure is to go for it and find out.  If she is a prude then you're going to be climbing an uphill battle.

Like eminem said, "[If you] won't put out, I'll push you out".  If she doesn't put out then fine a non-prude.  Some girls have dumb rules.  If you want to bang her and she keeps saying no I would ditch her.
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avalos316

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Thanks. Yes I was thinking one more date, if I atleast do not make out with her on the third date then just forget about her and move on. She is really cool, but i know if there is not physical action there is not point on hanging out.
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Todd

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 How old are you, how old is she?  You both seem a bit innocent.  It's NEVER over as long as she keeps seeing you/pursuing you/reacting to you.  

Also you'll get a lot more leeway early on with this stuff than you will once you are advanced.  I used to get day 2s and 3s when I didn't kiss the girl on day one.  Now it seems like if I don't fuck the girl on the first date I never see her again.  Good thing I fuck like 85% on the first date ;)
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BKW

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From the way I see it, if a girl is attracted to you she will allow you to get physical with her, and if not for sex, she will at least have a good reason not to (i.e. she's on her period; she has a "3 date rule"; stds, etc).

It also comes down to what you want.  Because if you want her to be your girlfriend then I would give her a little bit more time for sex if she is weird about that, but not a kiss. If you want her for sex only and she's not putting out relatively soon then you are essentially not getting what you want and you should ditch her.

Personally, most girls will put out within a few times of hanging out if she's attracted to you.  I tryt o get physical fast. 

The key rule to remember is the quicker you test out if she's a prude or not the faster you'll know if she'll give you what you want.  Next time you hang out with her go for the kiss.  If you want sex then go for that as well.  If she denies then you could ask her why (I would), and if she gives some stupid excuse or reason that doesn't make much sense then she's either not attracted to you in that way or she's a prude, and in any case I would ditch her.
avalos316 wrote:
Thanks. Yes I was thinking one more date, if I atleast do not make out with her on the third date then just forget about her and move on. She is really cool, but i know if there is not physical action there is not point on hanging out.
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Hm, that's interesting.  Why do you think you can't go further with girls after day 1 if you're advanced yourself?  What is the distinction there? Is it your own expectations or the girl's?
Todd wrote:
Also you'll get a lot more leeway early on with this stuff than you will once you are advanced.  I used to get day 2s and 3s when I didn't kiss the girl on day one.  Now it seems like if I don't fuck the girl on the first date I never see her again.  Good thing I fuck like 85% on the first date ;)
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avalos316

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I'm 25 she is 20. It is my first year practicing the game, and she is girlfriend material not just sex
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I had a kind of a satori moment just now reading your thread title and I realized how needy for sex it sounds like. Yuck.

Why do you give a shit?

People who ask if they have a chance are asking from a point of desperation - ie. disease, death, etc. But asking if you have a chance for sex/girlfriend? C'mon. Have fun enjoy life don't give a shit.
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avalos316 wrote:
I'm 25 she is 20. It is my first year practicing the game, and she is girlfriend material not just sex
hahahaha. "she's girlfriend material.. not just sex" hahahaha. I honestly jsut fuck girls that I might realistically want to date. I hate fucking ugly girls as whenever I try I can't get hard and end up in lousy sex.... Anyway.... honestly as long as she keeps replying to your text/calls its good... If she stops than it's a sign she simply lost interest (probably lack of escalation).
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