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December 5th, 2016
After hanging out with all the best guys in the game, Ive deduced game down to one thing.
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RSDLatos

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Working for RSD, ive gotten to hang out with the best guys in the game today. I took a bootcamp with Brad and Owen, Aka Tyler. I was Juliens first intern, which had the added benefit of being right there with the guys that revolutionized the way we teach game with the Hotseat! Seth and Aaron, Owens former assistants who were 2 guys that had tons of success women, were there tearing it up as well! Helping out on the bootcamps, and especially the 3 weeks of Miami Alumni Programs with Tyler, Julien, and Jeffy, taught me soo much of the game i now know today. Ive gotten to hang out With Alexander in Las Vegas with Owen and Frank, Juliens New Assistant, as well as a Week out here in LA. "Tyler," Alexander, Seth, Mike, and I got to go to a Mansion party full of hotties, and took a 2, 20 person Limos, down to the Hottest LA Nightclub called LURE, where we tore up the whole venue. I mean Bitches where Fighting over us!! FACT. I hang out with some of the better naturals in LA on a daily Basis, who allow me to go and hang out at some of the best parties!

Though im bragging a little, I bring up the point that after hanging out with the best guys Ive noticed they all do the same thing. They have their different styles, some are up in her face and some bearly even initaite physical contact aside from the slight touches. Some talk the entire time, some barely say a word. Everyone of them have that one thing in common, they dont react to shit tests.

What does that mean, to not react to shittest?
It means to not be Defensive, or feel offended to anything a girl says or does that will try to lower your value. ANYTHING! Some girls will just simply disagree with you, some will call you out, some will try to ignore. She will make Fun of you, she will try to embarass you, she will tease you. Understand that if you are unreactive to her shit, she will start getting the twinkle in her eye. The Anime eyes as we call them will happen soo often you wont even know which girls you want to choose. 

Once again, never be defensive or feel offended when a girl gives a shit test whatever it may be. You will plow through womens shit and they will fawn all over you. When a girl gives me shit, i choose not to say anything, and stay relaxed. Usually Immediately after 1 or 2 shit test I will see a sparkle in her eye.

Some of the girls over the last week ive been ultra physical with, some of them barely any touching. 1 i never even touched aside from an opening hug. I hooked up with 3 girls who where all friends with a girl ive fucked in the past,  in 1 night. One even told me that she "knows about the other two and she is not going to hook up with me!" False. I had 2 roommates fighting over me while the third helped me pimp other chicks. The girl i havent even touched aside from a hug, has been begging me for 4 days straight to have lunch with her while her boyfriend is at work. Every one of these girls gave me shit , and everyone of the shit test i ignored, and acted like they never even said anything.

Every. Single. Guy. ive met that is good with women does some sort of variation of not caring and not reacting to a girls shit test. Whatever you do to elicit these shit test is up to you. Everyone has their own style. Just act the way you normally act and dont give a shit, when people give you shit.
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UtopiaFive

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I thought you were going to say "They actually know to wear dress shoes to bootcamp."  

Good stuff actually, this is one of the main things I've gotten off Alex's 2 hour video, not being defensive or letting their shit get to you.  
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 "I'm just a man."

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Thorzen

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 This is fucking money, i've always known there was nothing complicated about pick-up and was hoping someone would be able to verbalize it someday, and this seems legit. This could be said for all social dynamics as well, being cool comes down to being unreactive and being yourself, and being unreactive and being yourself comes down to being relaxed. Five star post motherfucker!!!

I'll reduce my pickup to this for a few weeks and see if it still works. 
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Very good post.
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so simple yet awesome shit.
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Are you saying that you dont even respond like say its a question like "why are you gay?" or "why are you wearing that shirt?" do you not even answer with an unreactive response but you just straight dont acknowledge they said anything?

Cause sometimes they may just keep repeating the question or call you out for not answering, do you just keep ignoring?

thanks for the post
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Thorzen

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goosebump wrote:
Are you saying that you dont even respond like say its a question like "why are you gay?" or "why are you wearing that shirt?" do you not even answer with an unreactive response but you just straight dont acknowledge they said anything?

Cause sometimes they may just keep repeating the question or call you out for not answering, do you just keep ignoring?

thanks for the post
I can answer that. My coolest friend I knew growing up, who basically got laid like crazy at the age of 15-16 already, whenver someone dissed him, it didn't happen.

It litterally didn't exist to him, you could say that he ignored it, but that would sound like he noticed it, it just straight up didn't happen. Everyone who tried to do it, just felt awkward, because all the social pressure was on them when he didn't acknowledge that it happened.

It litterally didn't enter his reality. 

So basically what it all comes down to is becoming unreactive, or whichever other word you choose to put on it. What does that mean in practice? It simply means, when we DO react, and we WILL, we just take notice of what our issues are, what make us react and come to terms with it. Whenever we react, some kind of bullshit belief or whatever will be revealed to us, and we can deal with it, which makes it just as much about personal development and happiness as it does with pickout. 

For example, I realized that one of my biggest issues in life was that I felt that if I wasn't perfect, I wasn't good enough. Everything I did had to be perfect, the way I talked, the way people reacted to me, the way I performed, etc. This made me very reactive and very emotional, because no-one can be perfect. When I realized I didn't have to be perfect, not in social situations, not in any way, I could just relax, and ironically, I came much closer to being perfect. 
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dlatosze- wrote:

What does that mean, to not react to shittest?

It means to not be Defensive, or feel offended to anything a girl says or does that will try to lower your value. ANYTHING!

Once again, never be defensive or feel offended when a girl gives a shit test whatever it may be.

This may sound strange, but I find that I destroy shit- tests so epicly that it actually FUCKS ME OVER.  I have an EXTREMLY quick wit for comebacks, and I can literaly flip and contort any congruence test that exists with ease. 

What happens is the girl will throw me some stupid test, and I'll flame thrower that shit to ashes.  But instead of coming across as a chill unreactive guy, I often come across as an arrogant smart ass.  The girl usually responds with an ever nastier shit-test, and as you can tell, the interaction just becomes confrontational.  It becomes You Vs Me. 

I'm highly considering that I should just take the more humble approach and simply smile in silence when a girl tests me.  It sucks because I have this awesome skill at dominating the frame, but instead of helping me out, it screws me over.  Anyways, any tips on this?  I do agree that this is a HUGE part of this game, and I'm sure if I got past this sticking point, my consistency would solidify.
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Trent3Reznor wrote:
This may sound strange, but I find that I destroy shit- tests so epicly that it actually FUCKS ME OVER.  I have an EXTREMLY quick wit for comebacks, and I can literaly flip and contort any congruence test that exists with ease. 

What happens is the girl will throw me some stupid test, and I'll flame thrower that shit to ashes.  But instead of coming across as a chill unreactive guy, I often come across as an arrogant smart ass.  The girl usually responds with an ever nastier shit-test, and as you can tell, the interaction just becomes confrontational.  It becomes You Vs Me. 

I'm highly considering that I should just take the more humble approach and simply smile in silence when a girl tests me.  It sucks because I have this awesome skill at dominating the frame, but instead of helping me out, it screws me over.  Anyways, any tips on this?  I do agree that this is a HUGE part of this game, and I'm sure if I got past this sticking point, my consistency would solidify.
If it goes into YOU vs ME it's because your attitude is that way. You need to be more honest with yourself, you try not to make this your fault, but it is. 

If you feel like you are OWNING her, then you are trying to take value from her. It's good that you have a quick wit, but if you try to make that into an ego thing, people WILL react that way to you.

You want a nice, pleasant vibe between you and her, so use your wit to make a comeback that is in that emotional range. 

Girls are not gonna be dicks to you more than the occasional shit test or crazy chick unless YOU are provoking her to be. 
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Nerdsaver

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 Thanks.. I always thought I was good at ignoring stuff people said about me or to me but then I had this flash.. Just over the last few days I HAVE been unreactive but theres always ONE thing in every interaction that gets under my skin.
"why the fuck are you so ugly?" <--- gets under my skin because I really am not ugly... like.. im just not. 
"My mom asked me if you were gay today" (friend said this) <------ Reactive because I had to make it known that 'I wouldn't care' if I were gay or not... but by saying that I am caring. 
"So I here you like to get fucked up" (I live in mormony utah and everyone around here thinks I'm the fucking antichrist) <------ gets under my skin because I barely do drugs at all... not to mention getting 'fucked up'. 
"I have a boyfriend" <---- instead of simply ignoring I always have to make a witty comeback.. just ignore damnit. 

Stuff like that ^ gets reactions out of me sometimes other times it doesn't. Thanks for reminding me that nothing is really that big of a deal. Nothing fucking matters. 
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