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December 7th, 2016
Daygame Flakes - Why!??
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Dr Feelgood

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I'm describing my problem as detailed as possible here and I hope some experienced players can share some insight:

After 10 months of nightgame and some successes, I started to do daygame hardcore 2 month ago. In my typical daygame session, I do 10 - 15 sets and get 2 or so phone numbers from pretty girls. Many of the girls who give me their numbers are REALLY attracted (anime eyes, beaming, maybay playing with hair, asking me questions, etc...). I always go direct, which, of course, makes her usually answer in a very direct way too. During the conversation (around 10 minutes), I just stay relaxed and say whatever comes to my mind. I also say "I know, this is pretty unusual, but..." to "pace her reality".

I do the usual procedure with calling her on the spot so she got my number and asking her what my name is to make her remember it. 

Untill a couple of weeks ago I always sent a text message, now I always call. It seems to me that it doesn't make a lot of difference whether you text or call. I do it 1-2 days after the interaction (waiting too long makes the attraction fizzle out, but calling immedeately seems needy). Oftentimes they DO ANSWER INITIALLY ONCE, so it's not even a real flake, sometimes they flake immedeately. I then leave a very short message or write a very short text.

Of those who answer, after a phone or text conversation, they often say stuff like "I don't have my schedule here, I will get back to you tomorrow!" or "Call me the very same day, I like to be spontaneous!", then never to be heard of again and not answering again. Neediness is not the problem, IMO, because I make them wait in between calls/ texts (but not too much either).

So this must sound like my phone game is the problem here, and maybe it is, but I'm not so sure. I just make normal chode talk and try to stay relaxed, asking them how theri day went, etc.. I get the impression they don't want to talk for a long time on the phone either. I don't use any gimmicks - what does your phone game look like?

Would instant dates help? Tried it once, and still working on the girl over phone.

These flakes are really bad, because it happened with so many interactions which seemed really, really solid to me! Especially the ones who answer the first time don't feel good.
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1.
Instant dates are good...highly recommended. You get compliance, you get more time together, you lead her, you guys get to know eachother better, she opens up more, etc...

2.
Quoting Alex "Direct will 'i like you' openers will get you some shock value but yield lots of flakes - like buying temperature at the time but buyers remorse later." I agree with it...With the direct stuff she will be very aroused, getting number is pretty easy at that point for me, but with direct it's easy to get the number but not necessary the date...

3.
You did not mention qualification..Essential. Figure out precisely what you like and what you dislike (personality traits, hobbies, her habits, etc...). Once you know what type of girls you like then qualify girls that you do genuinely like. Qualifying is verbaly telling her why you like her (that you like her not just for the warm little hole)

4.
I tell girls to save my number...And I always text them the same day a text with my name. So they have my number and name in their phone.

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But I think what I wrote is total bullshit. I take it back...

Why they flake? Well, it's the gray hair. DUHHHH LOOKS TOTALLY MATTER!

You need a 10 inch cock, ripped abs, chiseled chin, look like a model, not have a receeding hairline, also big biceps, a lot of money and an expensive car...also you need social status (well known CEO? celeb?).

You gotta be the full package ;). Without the above stuff no girl will ever put out.

I don't think you have what it takes :P

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When I was doing my daygame sets a few weeks back.

I would have a moment of realness with them. I'd tell them "Urmm, Argh, shoukld I take your number? ...If I take it, are we going to order in some Chinese takeaway and get drunk off amaretto a night during the week?..I'm not taking it if your going to be all like i'm not answering to this guy type shit... If I call, are you going to respond?"

It sounds needy on paper, but I know how I word it in person. It's qualification. I've not had any flakes when this has happend. I have flakes with the ones I percieve as being solid, when they really weren't. Those are the ones I really really want to meet up with, but somehow fizzle out into BS.

Also, COMMAND on the phone when you speak to them. "I've already seen this girls' dirty draws on my floor" "this is my fiftith girlfriend" frame.
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Dr Feelgood

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Thanks, Mr. Beast, I really like your comment!


ChinaBoy~ wrote:
1.
Instant dates are good...highly recommended. You get compliance, you get more time together, you lead her, you guys get to know eachother better, she opens up more, etc...
Will experiment more with this (can only do this when I go out alone though, because I don't want to make my wing wait for half an hour)!

2.
Quoting Alex "Direct will 'i like you' openers will get you some shock value but yield lots of flakes - like buying temperature at the time but buyers remorse later." I agree with it...With the direct stuff she will be very aroused, getting number is pretty easy at that point for me, but with direct it's easy to get the number but not necessary the date...
Interresting, I had not heard of this! Still, indirect is a drag, so I'm not gonna go there. I guess I will have to learn to deal with the fact that I'm arousing to the girl...

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You did not mention qualification..Essential. Figure out precisely what you like and what you dislike (personality traits, hobbies, her habits, etc...). Once you know what type of girls you like then qualify girls that you do genuinely like. Qualifying is verbaly telling her why you like her (that you like her not just for the warm little hole)
This is a crucial point, I really qualify very little! Gonna remember this. Oh, and thanks for explaining to me what qualification is, that was really cool of you, so I don't have to look it up on WikiPickUp.

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I tell girls to save my number...And I always text them the same day a text with my name. So they have my number and name in their phone.
I experimented with sending them a text 1 hour later; the only result so far was that I could immedeately tell if she was gonna flake or not (if no answer on text = will flake later)! But will experiment a bit more with that.
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But I think what I wrote is total bullshit. I take it back...

Why they flake? Well, it's the gray hair. DUHHHH LOOKS TOTALLY MATTER!

You need a 10 inch cock, ripped abs, chiseled chin, look like a model, not have a receeding hairline, also big biceps, a lot of money and an expensive car...also you need social status (well known CEO? celeb?).
I DO have a 10 inch cock.

You gotta be the full package ;). Without the above stuff no girl will ever put out.

I don't think you have what it takes :P

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Babe wrote:
When I was doing my daygame sets a few weeks back.

I would have a moment of realness with them. I'd tell them "Urmm, Argh, shoukld I take your number? ...If I take it, are we going to order in some Chinese takeaway and get drunk off amaretto a night during the week?..I'm not taking it if your going to be all like i'm not answering to this guy type shit... If I call, are you going to respond?"

It sounds needy on paper, but I know how I word it in person. It's qualification. I've not had any flakes when this has happend. I have flakes with the ones I percieve as being solid, when they really weren't. Those are the ones I really really want to meet up with, but somehow fizzle out into BS.

Also, COMMAND on the phone when you speak to them. "I've already seen this girls' dirty draws on my floor" "this is my fiftith girlfriend" frame.
Awesome, Babe, very helpful!

And yeah, i could use a more commanding vocal tonality on the phone for sure! Do you text or call initially (with which one do you get better results)?
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Dr Feelgood wrote:



Babe wrote:
When I was doing my daygame sets a few weeks back.

I would have a moment of realness with them. I'd tell them "Urmm, Argh, shoukld I take your number? ...If I take it, are we going to order in some Chinese takeaway and get drunk off amaretto a night during the week?..I'm not taking it if your going to be all like i'm not answering to this guy type shit... If I call, are you going to respond?"

It sounds needy on paper, but I know how I word it in person. It's qualification. I've not had any flakes when this has happend. I have flakes with the ones I percieve as being solid, when they really weren't. Those are the ones I really really want to meet up with, but somehow fizzle out into BS.

Also, COMMAND on the phone when you speak to them. "I've already seen this girls' dirty draws on my floor" "this is my fiftith girlfriend" frame.
Awesome, Babe, very helpful!

And yeah, i could use a more commanding vocal tonality on the phone for sure! Do you text or call initially (with which one do you get better results)?
I absolutely prefer the phone over text.

This is where I excell in showing my accolades of familiarity of being with other women, experience, funny, teasing, qualify and just act like I've known them for a long time.

Watch a programme on tv together whilst you talk to here for 10 mins on the first call or something -- Make her laugh about shit. Call her out on lil petpeeves, then abruptly exit the call and call her the next day for another 20 minutes this time, etc.

When you've demonstrated enough value on the phone, the texting part usually becomes a cakewalk and brevity actually becomes attractive, you don't need to do the long tedious conventional-texting on HER frame/terms.

Let's say for instance that you built enough comfortability to speak about how you've had bad experiences with smelly vaginas in past relationships. Made her laugh about it, told stories, now she obviously will say "My vag never smells".

But she will have the seed planted in her head, that you're a doode who has been thru it and have familiarity, so now she'll randomly text you out of the blue with a refrence regarding that topic like "Hey mr bad vaggy pants x" as apose to if you did not demonstrate a topic that goes into your favour, you have to do all that on text
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So I guess what you are saying is "Don't use the phone to set up a date, but use the phone to fool around with her (to "DHV", if we want to talk in the old nerd terms)"!

Makes sense.
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Dr Feelgood wrote:
So I guess what you are saying is "Don't use the phone to set up a date, but use the phone to fool around with her (to "DHV", if we want to talk in the old nerd terms)"!

Makes sense.
Always opt to set up the date or influence it someway.

I'm not going to lie, sometimes it's taken me weeks to get a girl out, and just doing the normal shit like talking to her on the phone, but yes I guess you could say it's a dhv.
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A lot of guys are going to hate me for this one but... (and keep in mind I *STILL* get flakes from this)

I *never* take a girls number during the day. I always always give them MY number. The first time I did this was by complete ACCIDENT.

I had forgotten my phone, but was out and about and did a few approaches. I gave my number out like 3-4~ times saying something like, "listen, I forgot my phone, but let me give you my number, and then you can text me later so I have yours". All of them texted me later (of that day, of course I've done it since a bunch and lots of girls don't text me). At one point I was having so much success with it I actually would say that even if I had my phone with me (until one girl was like, "k I'm calling you now so you have my number" and of course my phone starts ringings, bwaha - of course I was like. OOPS I musta forgot I DIDN'T leave it in the car).

Now I'm qualifying it a bit more because I've had girls who I give them my number but they STILL flake out so...I don't even want to GIVE IT OUT if they aren't going to text me - would rather get a no in person.

So I will say, "listen. let me give you my number, if you thought I was cool / interesting / awesome / sexy / incredibly incredibly good looking you should text me and we can go out, if you thought I was a loser punk then don't text me - because I don't want to be that guy all trying to hit you up if you aren't into it"

Oh and I should also add that I *try* to either KEEP hanging out with them (if they aren't on there way somewhere - which 99% of the time they are) OR what I mostly do is try to see what they are up to THAT night. And if they tell me they cant hang out that night I try to get them to commit to something the next night or within that week IN PERSON. Always push for same day though...
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 WikiPickup??? Urrrg you such a nerd!

Ohhh, he's lying...it's more like 4 inches. But still "pretty fly for a white guy" -The Offsprings

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I really dunno about the 20 min calls :D

Face 2 face > talking over phone...So if you can spend some more time talking to each other...the best bet woud be when you initially approach her.

Anyways I guess we have to keep going and continue experimenting and "fine tuning" so there won't be so many flakes.

@Alienantfarm: I like the idea of not being THAT guy who texts and who she does not want to hangout with. The only downside I see in this is girls are pretty passive...yea but gonna try it out :). Not having to texts all the girls will save some money for a cheapskate like me :D :D awww yea!
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ChinaBoy~ wrote:

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I really dunno about the 20 min calls :D

Face 2 face > talking over phone...So if you can spend some more time talking to each other...the best bet woud be when you initially approach her.


Lol.
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