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Also, what does your text game look like now to get to the Day 2?
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Jeff, what usually comes first, kissing a girl or getting to know them?
How do you relax on a night out and have fun, or shouldn't you be relaxed? I walk round like some predator.... wheres girl wheres girl and because of that my state is shit.
How do you relax on a night out and have fun, or shouldn't you be relaxed? I walk round like some predator.... wheres girl wheres girl and because of that my state is shit.
Okay I have a few questions that I'd like to have answered. Btw attended your NY Hotseat with Owen and Julien in October 2011 and also the Owen + Alex D.C. Hotseat 2 weeks ago.
1.) Topic: Extraction and Dealing with Friends
Like none of the girls I've seen out are alone . . . they are pretty much all in groups. How would you extract the girl from a 2 set (where they are family or best friends) vs. a 3 set vs. a 4 set vs. a 5 set (group of friends from same school type of thing). I encountered all four types last night/early this morning even and I'd really love to find out how the hell to extract especially from the 2 set situation as I've seen almost all the hotter girls exclusively in 2 sets. (This is in D.C. if that makes a difference.)
2.) Topic: Expressing a Full Range of Emotion
How do you prevent yourself from slowly inching towards the positive range of the emotional spectrum without even realizing it - I've noticed that at the start of the night I'm like 30% negative (like callouts) and 70% positive (like compliments), but as the night progresses and I'm meeting more and more girls and many just for the sake of being social, I become almost exclusively positive and I forget about expressing the negative range of emotions. Is there something you can do early on that solidifies the kind of ratio you want to be expressing? Cause I remember telling myself, "I really don't want to be nice to these girls during bad behaviour right now, but it's like I've forgotten how to call them out on it. Wtf?!?" How do you prevent that shit or come back from it to a place where you're emotionally free to express the negative end of the emotion spectrum?
3.) Topic: Jeffy's Favourite Expressions (cause your diction and verbals are classy and gangster at the same time)
What are your personal favourite callouts/negative expressions? Since this is D.C. I'm hesitant to go all out with "You're done in this town, get the fuck out of here," etc. type of shit cause I (perhaps incorrectly) identify them with a more Vegas or L.A. type of game where they've seen everything. What are ways you like to use to shut down girls who have started acting up and put them back on the track, that are less intense? If say, "Get the fuck out of here, you're done in this town," is at a 95% intensity, what would be callouts within the 20%-80% spectrum of intensity (if that makes sense). Plus, is there a difference when applying this shit in a larger group (4set or 5set) to the girl who isn't being as compliant as I'd like vs. to her friends who are mildly cockblocking. I'd personally like something that is within the 20%-30% range that would be like a light reprimand at the start of the night so she knows what'll happen later if she acts up, 50%-60% where she's stepped out of line a little bit and I want her immediately compliant, and then something that's like 80% intensity where basically it's the second to last straw and I want her to know I'll send her home crying if she acts up (this one applies mainly to the friends who are being bitches while the girl would like to but can't because of the friends).
4.) Topic: Escalation and Physical Game when she's with friends
Is it okay to go for the makeout while her friend is right beside you two there (2set)? I've been all the way down to "Rocking with Rapport" minus the neck kiss or eskimo kiss into makeout cause I felt that that might not be appropriate if in front of her friends. (I guess this relates to my first question about extraction). I want to know how much would be appropriate.
5.) Topic: Grinding
Do you guys ever grind with girls? (I've danced and done the tango/waltz shit but never grinding as I've never seen an infield video of it or anything). How does grinding apply (if at all) to the overall seduction and also to your momentum/progressive relaxation throughout the night. What about other Instructors? This is specifically for ONS game. Is there a difference in more social circle type game (in the club) where you're going for numbers and meetups but not going full out for the close right then and there, or am I creating a distinction that's not really appropriate? Plus, to clarify, the situation I'm faced with here is where it's almost social custom for the girls to grind (not always the hottest ones though if I recall correctly - it's mainly the girls in 3sets and larger but not exclusively cause I've seen some uglier 2sets). Let's say it's the start of the night and for about 30 mins I've been mainly alternating between two or three groups of girls cause they're the only attractive ones there (and of course being social and fucking around/having fun with other people I've met in the club that night - I go out solo) but spending most of my time with a 5 set of 7 to 7.5's and they finally decide to go "dance' (grind). Do you just leave them to it and go talk to other girls or what do you do there? Or for ONS game is it not appropriate to grind at all?
Btw sorry about these being so long man, you can paraphrase them if you like when (if) answering them cause some of the questions are kinda circular and repetitive and could've been more succintly put together I'm sure but I have finals to study for so I can't really bother with grammar right now. Thanks man.
1.) Topic: Extraction and Dealing with Friends
Like none of the girls I've seen out are alone . . . they are pretty much all in groups. How would you extract the girl from a 2 set (where they are family or best friends) vs. a 3 set vs. a 4 set vs. a 5 set (group of friends from same school type of thing). I encountered all four types last night/early this morning even and I'd really love to find out how the hell to extract especially from the 2 set situation as I've seen almost all the hotter girls exclusively in 2 sets. (This is in D.C. if that makes a difference.)
2.) Topic: Expressing a Full Range of Emotion
How do you prevent yourself from slowly inching towards the positive range of the emotional spectrum without even realizing it - I've noticed that at the start of the night I'm like 30% negative (like callouts) and 70% positive (like compliments), but as the night progresses and I'm meeting more and more girls and many just for the sake of being social, I become almost exclusively positive and I forget about expressing the negative range of emotions. Is there something you can do early on that solidifies the kind of ratio you want to be expressing? Cause I remember telling myself, "I really don't want to be nice to these girls during bad behaviour right now, but it's like I've forgotten how to call them out on it. Wtf?!?" How do you prevent that shit or come back from it to a place where you're emotionally free to express the negative end of the emotion spectrum?
3.) Topic: Jeffy's Favourite Expressions (cause your diction and verbals are classy and gangster at the same time)
What are your personal favourite callouts/negative expressions? Since this is D.C. I'm hesitant to go all out with "You're done in this town, get the fuck out of here," etc. type of shit cause I (perhaps incorrectly) identify them with a more Vegas or L.A. type of game where they've seen everything. What are ways you like to use to shut down girls who have started acting up and put them back on the track, that are less intense? If say, "Get the fuck out of here, you're done in this town," is at a 95% intensity, what would be callouts within the 20%-80% spectrum of intensity (if that makes sense). Plus, is there a difference when applying this shit in a larger group (4set or 5set) to the girl who isn't being as compliant as I'd like vs. to her friends who are mildly cockblocking. I'd personally like something that is within the 20%-30% range that would be like a light reprimand at the start of the night so she knows what'll happen later if she acts up, 50%-60% where she's stepped out of line a little bit and I want her immediately compliant, and then something that's like 80% intensity where basically it's the second to last straw and I want her to know I'll send her home crying if she acts up (this one applies mainly to the friends who are being bitches while the girl would like to but can't because of the friends).
4.) Topic: Escalation and Physical Game when she's with friends
Is it okay to go for the makeout while her friend is right beside you two there (2set)? I've been all the way down to "Rocking with Rapport" minus the neck kiss or eskimo kiss into makeout cause I felt that that might not be appropriate if in front of her friends. (I guess this relates to my first question about extraction). I want to know how much would be appropriate.
5.) Topic: Grinding
Do you guys ever grind with girls? (I've danced and done the tango/waltz shit but never grinding as I've never seen an infield video of it or anything). How does grinding apply (if at all) to the overall seduction and also to your momentum/progressive relaxation throughout the night. What about other Instructors? This is specifically for ONS game. Is there a difference in more social circle type game (in the club) where you're going for numbers and meetups but not going full out for the close right then and there, or am I creating a distinction that's not really appropriate? Plus, to clarify, the situation I'm faced with here is where it's almost social custom for the girls to grind (not always the hottest ones though if I recall correctly - it's mainly the girls in 3sets and larger but not exclusively cause I've seen some uglier 2sets). Let's say it's the start of the night and for about 30 mins I've been mainly alternating between two or three groups of girls cause they're the only attractive ones there (and of course being social and fucking around/having fun with other people I've met in the club that night - I go out solo) but spending most of my time with a 5 set of 7 to 7.5's and they finally decide to go "dance' (grind). Do you just leave them to it and go talk to other girls or what do you do there? Or for ONS game is it not appropriate to grind at all?
Btw sorry about these being so long man, you can paraphrase them if you like when (if) answering them cause some of the questions are kinda circular and repetitive and could've been more succintly put together I'm sure but I have finals to study for so I can't really bother with grammar right now. Thanks man.
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"There's no reason why I'm not enough." - Alex
"I don't give a damn what anyone thinks of me." - Tim
"Do something. Do anything." - Owen
And for the ones that take your breath away:
"Get lost in the chemistry . . ."
"I don't give a damn what anyone thinks of me." - Tim
"Do something. Do anything." - Owen
And for the ones that take your breath away:
"Get lost in the chemistry . . ."
YO! Last and really really important question:
6.) Topic: Threesomes
2 set scenario. Both goregous and completely compliant. How do you set up for threesome after establishing very strong physical rapport with one where the other is really complaint. I'll give an example from last night. One's an 8 other's an 8.5, both gorgeous but more (much more) chemistry with the 8. So I went for the 8. But later I thought, if the 8 wasn't there the 8.5 would have been probably the hottest single girl at the club. So although I went for the 8, I would've been totally down with having a ONS with the 8.5. So then I thought, why not both? How would you approach that?
Specifically, how much physicality with each (you're clearly more attracted to one than the other), how much conversational interaction with each, would you try to separate one from the other and talk to her in private about the threesome idea, etc. So basically how much physicality with each, how much conversation with each, and what wavelength of the emotional spectrum with each? Would you make out with one? With both? Get them to make out with each other? In the club or post-extraction? Would you lead them around the club a few times to build compliance? How much of a pull-push dynamic (I'm unfortunately more pull than push right now but these are the sets that comply with just intent, plus there's real chemistry), etc.
Assume you have physical rapport with one, have screened early with something like, "What are you guys doing later?" so logistics work out and have established good amount of trust and chemistry with the one you are more attracted to but not sure on how to separate them - but in this case don't want to and instead want *both*. I apologize for the shitty grammar and run on sentences but I'm in a rush and this is like a legit question for quite a few 2sets I've encountered in the last few weeks. Thanks Jeff! I know this question is very very repetitive but I'm really trying to felsh out the kind of scenario and the example from last night is like a perfect example.
If you were to answer just one of my 6 questions this would be the ONE.
6.) Topic: Threesomes
2 set scenario. Both goregous and completely compliant. How do you set up for threesome after establishing very strong physical rapport with one where the other is really complaint. I'll give an example from last night. One's an 8 other's an 8.5, both gorgeous but more (much more) chemistry with the 8. So I went for the 8. But later I thought, if the 8 wasn't there the 8.5 would have been probably the hottest single girl at the club. So although I went for the 8, I would've been totally down with having a ONS with the 8.5. So then I thought, why not both? How would you approach that?
Specifically, how much physicality with each (you're clearly more attracted to one than the other), how much conversational interaction with each, would you try to separate one from the other and talk to her in private about the threesome idea, etc. So basically how much physicality with each, how much conversation with each, and what wavelength of the emotional spectrum with each? Would you make out with one? With both? Get them to make out with each other? In the club or post-extraction? Would you lead them around the club a few times to build compliance? How much of a pull-push dynamic (I'm unfortunately more pull than push right now but these are the sets that comply with just intent, plus there's real chemistry), etc.
Assume you have physical rapport with one, have screened early with something like, "What are you guys doing later?" so logistics work out and have established good amount of trust and chemistry with the one you are more attracted to but not sure on how to separate them - but in this case don't want to and instead want *both*. I apologize for the shitty grammar and run on sentences but I'm in a rush and this is like a legit question for quite a few 2sets I've encountered in the last few weeks. Thanks Jeff! I know this question is very very repetitive but I'm really trying to felsh out the kind of scenario and the example from last night is like a perfect example.
If you were to answer just one of my 6 questions this would be the ONE.
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"There's no reason why I'm not enough." - Alex
"I don't give a damn what anyone thinks of me." - Tim
"Do something. Do anything." - Owen
And for the ones that take your breath away:
"Get lost in the chemistry . . ."
"I don't give a damn what anyone thinks of me." - Tim
"Do something. Do anything." - Owen
And for the ones that take your breath away:
"Get lost in the chemistry . . ."
2 more questions:
I read the book the game and it talks about jacking off only once a week for high testoserone levels. My jack off night is a saturday night if i have no girl. When it comes round to the next saturday I am angry, moody and aggressive and I feel like shit. I've noticed if I jack off the best days for my mood are 3 to 5 days later. Any thoughts on this issue?
I'm looking to move out from my parents house, would you move out into your own place alone or would you move out with a guy who is simiarly interested in pick up and getting chicks? We're at similar levels.
I read the book the game and it talks about jacking off only once a week for high testoserone levels. My jack off night is a saturday night if i have no girl. When it comes round to the next saturday I am angry, moody and aggressive and I feel like shit. I've noticed if I jack off the best days for my mood are 3 to 5 days later. Any thoughts on this issue?
I'm looking to move out from my parents house, would you move out into your own place alone or would you move out with a guy who is simiarly interested in pick up and getting chicks? We're at similar levels.
Jeff what are your thoughts on 'loud voice exersizes' ?
i remember watching the blueprint and tyler talked a little bit about that. What are you thoughts and what are yours??
i remember watching the blueprint and tyler talked a little bit about that. What are you thoughts and what are yours??
Me again!
I have the funds to rent my own place, what do you think would be best... moving to the city centre where all the clubs are but busy 24/7 or moving a couple of miles away where its more peaceful but further to the clubs?
I have the funds to rent my own place, what do you think would be best... moving to the city centre where all the clubs are but busy 24/7 or moving a couple of miles away where its more peaceful but further to the clubs?
What's your opinion on busy (or quiet) bars vs clubs?
Bars seem like you can just chat and do w/e but clubs seem to have much more moving around, dancing and smoking areas etc. Also it seems more 'normal' to be out at a bar alone rather than the club. Just your advice, experience, tips, opinion or w/e.
Cheers jeffy
Bars seem like you can just chat and do w/e but clubs seem to have much more moving around, dancing and smoking areas etc. Also it seems more 'normal' to be out at a bar alone rather than the club. Just your advice, experience, tips, opinion or w/e.
Cheers jeffy
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from your years of experience teaching: what would you say is the relationship between a student's intelligence and his skill with women, like from baseline, when you meet them first, and then their speed of progress.
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