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May 23rd, 2013
Blazing Hotseat 2.0 in the Nation's Capital ft. Tyler and Alexander
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OMAR

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Intro
The HOTSEAT vol.2 was an amalgamation of 2 awesome characters TYLER and JULian with a bit of Aussy love on the side(Alexander). When I found out about the event I had no money whatsoever and no real means of income as I am interning for free and going to school. A great feeling of calmmess washed over me as I felt a deep sense of trust in my ability to make something happen come HOTSEAT time. It wasn't until last two weeks leading upto the hotseat when everything fell in place and I had made enough money to go. The final nail in the coffin in my decision to attend was the fact that Alexander was also coming which gave me all the more reason to go. I had previously attended hotseat 1.0 driving six hours to Atlanta the year before where I met HPRJ and remembered to bring a jacket becuase it got too cold in the seminar last time. This time around all the videos were different except for maybe 5 which I have seen before but amazingly drew new lessons. I had convinced myself that I am going to learn and not to be entertained. I reminded myself how much I have learned about soccer from watching the pros play and that visual film really helps a person know where they are at and can be really helpful in my personal journey for glory. After driving 5 hours straight to the hotseat I was tired and need of relaxation when little did I know that I had accidently volunteered to be the lighting technician for the night because of my choice of seating. Anyways I wrote a lot this time and will share with you my takeaways but take into consideration that they are not structured and may be random at best.


First off an appropriate music video


Day 1
sidenote: Really glad they broke this up into 2 days because the one day event can get really exhausting to learn so much and take it all in, in one go.

SEED vs SOIL- YOu are not responsible for the first 18-20 years of your life and what happened to you (your personal story of social/romantic tragedy growing up) but now it is all on you and only you are responsible for the actions you take.
SEED= natural skills and talent
SOIL= environment which facilitates the growth of the man/plant. GOOD soil makes for a healthy plant and it is up to us to ensure our surroundings, friedns adn influences supports a healtyh lifestyle which allows room for positive growth.
SOil is something we can control.

Clarity of intent-aligment in your thoughts and actions. MEDITATE dont just speculate. I am amused by people always asking dumb questions about whether meditation works or not. JUst try it its free u got nothing to lose. Its as silly as walking around a swimming pool and asking qustions about the type of water, chlorine, color and all this uneceessay mental masturbation. Why are people so skeptical and cannot simply jump into the water and see for themselves.? This ties into the long spiel Tyler made on the importance of compliance. Personally I am of the designation to try anything and everything RSD says because thats the type of person I am and will do whatever it takes to get good and so far this method has worked in my favor.

Tyler showed silent videos which are the same from HOTseat one but after a year I am still learning from watching it again, its really good to have repitition, practise makes perfect. SIlent videos demonstrated important aspects of the interaction like how the girl seemed to be more relaxed and that after the interaction the girl will have no emotional shift whereas the guy will. THis was the video showing a failed interaction.

The second video was the girl he pulled from the taxi, after a year she is still as attractive. The biggest lessons learned form these videos was that Tlyer focused our attention on the girls eyes and how she is constantly checking his which makes it ok for her to let him do whatever he pleases because his eyes eminates his clarity of intent, fun positive vibe. Oftentimes I am too caught up in the moment to notice a girls eyes and understand where she is at emotionally.

THE eyes ares essentially a big giveaway if they are small she is not as receptive as when they are big.

AN important lesson I learned is when a girl was threating Tyler by saying she is gotta go and instead tyler said I think you should stay but whatever.

THere was a video where tyler went overboard with the physicality and aggresion and she straight up said let me go and u can tell she meant business so he became relaxed completely and followed it up with statements of empathy. "sorry sorry" and some illogical nonsense that lets her know that he understands her being uncomfrotable and that he didnt mean to do it.

ON leading:
HUSTLER mentatility=  hustelrs always shuffling the ball up the field.

Anytime Tyler grabbed a girl and after a bit of tug of war she starts liking him but is still kind of trying to get away and go to her firends then she asks him if he wants to go to her firends he would awlays come form an auhtoritative frame and screen it by saiying uhh are they cool?

Talk to girls like they are sheep, "soo amny ppl in the world are sheep like followers"

Tylers footage shocases the total lack of filtration in what he says to the girls. 

DOnt buy into finnicky girl runaway syndrome.

When dealing with other guys tyler would frame it so that every other guy is a loser and that the girl needs a winner. HE would verbally differentiate himself from all other guys. 

THe biggest epiphany I had was the ingenious metaphor tyler related about a phenomonen for guys who are outcome dependant and only interested in the last bit of the movie(the sex)
A movie is to be enjoyed start to finish and to only be interested in always forwarding to the last part is not fun for the girl and not a realistic expectation. DOnt try to shuffle the girl home too quick, have some fun first.

YOU know those times you tried to talk to popular kids but they ignored the things that where coming out of your mouth. Well popular kids did not hate you they just wished you would act normal because they really want to like you but u reject them by saying stupid shit. Be chill.
Tyler escalates on the emotional spike. Anytime he asked the girl a question and she paused to answer it he would pick her up and whisk her away and this was fun for her.

Arrogant stuck up girls need to be dealt with with hard push and pull with statements of empathy  in the form of pure illogicality(fuck u i am a nice man)  Nad girls with low self esteem need to be treated wiht more validation, you need to give these girls asurance that they are pretty adn deserving of your attention and that u actualy acknowledge their uniqueness and see eye to eye. Pull them up to you or you come down to them but make that distiinction. 

Tyler yelled randomly a lot and I can only specualte as to why. Helps keep his voicde storng and booming sometimes the girls yelled with him so helps wiht compliance and also helps to destifle.

One of the biggest lessons I took away from hotseat was the statement of empathy, the verbal and phsycial push pull  alot of self deprication and immediatley was able to take this into the field. I have had instant results with the statements of empatyh because I am not able to gauge the girls emotions in realtime from checking her eyes and statement of empathy is helping the girl understand where I am coming from. 

These are my notes from Day one, day two will be up shortly
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Interesting review, thanks.
Looking forward  for day 2.
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OMAR wrote:
THe biggest epiphany I had was the ingenious metaphor tyler related about a phenomonen for guys who are outcome dependant and only interested in the last bit of the movie(the sex)
A movie is to be enjoyed start to finish and to only be interested in always forwarding to the last part is not fun for the girl and not a realistic expectation. DOnt try to shuffle the girl home too quick, have some fun first.
Damn how did I forget about this? So huge.

Good write up bro.
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 THanks GUys, ONwards to DAY TWO




THe video shown was of the big shot who had the girl sitting wiht him already behind some rope, video ive seen before but learned more this time around. Tyler was smart to ask quesstions that would make the guy qualify himself "logically stroke his own dick" Yea im the host this is my party, hey bro u r mroe than welcome to come to afterparty lots of champnage and bla bla. Tyler instigated the guy to talk the big game which the girl intereprets as logical manchild machismo bs. ALL the while tyler is making sure to address the girl in a very fun and lighthearted manner. HE then tnotices the girl fixing her boobs and gives her sht for it, starts riffing off that acting even more goofy and teasing her and mocking her thught process in a girly voice and getting her to contribute via body languege aka. THe more the party host bragged the more tyler joked and in this instance the guy actually got up and left LOL even complaing why tyler nad the girl are getting so physically close and sexual.

THe biggest thing i took away this time is the fact that tyler called the girl out and teased ber for fixing her boobs whereas when things liek this happen I tendto ignore them thinking the girl wil think that im no phased by her sexuality/beauty/boobs. BUt i learned that i have to actively play off that and make it known that I am aware of her little thoguht processes. 

 Tyler was accused by the girl for being so naughty and always acting this way with other girls and tyler instead kept a stragiht face and said that it was crass. He then broke the girls frame and "hold up wait a minute and then talks about somehting else or asks her some question to get her mind off her accusing him. He then proceeds to take the girl around the party and stops her by the poool and makes some funny coments and just totalyl having fun wiht her no need to push sex oto her just having fun and concentrating on that physicality and flirty vibe. 


I havent included my notes on most videos because they supplement the video and would be hard to explain but this last example i hope helps.

Anyways..

TYlers verbals consist of simple dumb shit like "she likes me cuz of my butt"  

Tyler statement of empathy on street approach open at night time, "im not wierd end of the night man", "where u guys going" Girls: "where going to a party" TYLER grabs teh girls hadns like a couple and starts leading her and says "IM sad you have to take me"

Simple verbals that get the points accross the point is himcoming form an innocnet fun playful vibe yet it is accompanied by leading physically and verbally. 

Tyler ran into some hot swiss girl and she did not seem like the arrogant typical fake boob club slut type and so he would say stuff like im not trying to take you bak to the room and party IM trying to get to know yo. DO i seem like a confident nice man.  I m gonna guess he was saying this kind of stuff as a double edged sword. HE wants her to be rest assured that hes not jsut tryna fuck her like the typical douchebag stereotype but then it gets the girl thinkign about going back to his room to party aswell. SO he disqualifies her and maybe gets her excited in the samesentence, this is what i too away from it.

ANd then the girls ugly cockblock is trying to steal her because she has her own agenda for the night but tyler reads the fatty's situation and accordingly tells his girl what is really going on as to frame control her to forget about the cockblock adn stay with him sintead. AGAin tyler demonstrates shaping the grisl reality by giving her verbal instructions/suggestions. The tug of war was becomign too much and tyler was trying a lot to get the girl to stay wiht him and here is something I learned again. USually I give up if the cockblock is too overbearin. I dont mean I easily give up i try but then sometimes give up because I dont bend over backwards to get her but tyler was really really really trying and iwhere if it had been me my friends would have tried to pull me off and be like let it go man just let it go. LOL so I will be willing to sacrfice my "cool" laid back image to try to get the girl.

NExt up tyler faces some really opinionated cock block bitch who is threating to rob him,beat him up if he wont leave "i give u three seconds " and bla bla bla. Usually when this happens I back off thinking she is serious but tyler is making lighthearted statemetns like I belvie oyu dont hurt me and then trying to get phsyical compliance even thought she is not giving him any verbal compliance so tyler gets her to shake his hand and then spins her around and maybe hugger her too I dont remember But its funny. Tyler also disamrs the cockblocks by sayin that "shes not going anywhre with me I look dorky" self deprecating staements of disqualification to arrest the girls logical brains. ANd then after a long time of telling the cockblock to be nice  he tels her your going todrag the girl away from me this si when the cockblock was already disarmed but tyler said it at a time wher the cockblock startedqualifying her slef to him saying no no ur cool i just realy want to pee LOL. 

END OF TYLER GAME

LOADING JULIEN GAME...

Julien's verbal game was dumb silly funny and most imporatnatly simple. I would be interested in checking out his game more in the future for sure. 

Julian would use openers on teh girl during mid game. SO hes already got her opened and is jsut vibing fluff talkin and then again would say hi hi how u doin in the moments where ther would be silence. 

Julien would at times talk to the girl lik his little sister "come outside with me but dont embarras me" "ay none fo that shit" "focus" THis is money becuase the only ppl that would say this to her are those who have authority over her. He used this alot on the ADD party girls who would try to say something liek a shit test but this is how he would respond. Julien made up a lot of stories using simple stroylines about cavemans taking girls back to the cave, lions in the wild and comparing the girl to these stories. Dont give me a shitty american kiss he woudl say this to set standards wiht the girl and the girl loves this beacuse whereas other guys would just be happy to even talk to her heres this asshole demandning things from her and to get her up to a certain standard. "none of that shit, be cool be real" anytime she would say somehting that isnt positive or trying to give hi shit or trying to get away. HE would say these things even when they are holding each other in a corner and shes moving around like how a baby tries to get away from his mothers grasp and si squirmign and flopping around to get out of the grip LOL. HE also says stuff liek stop trying to kiss me even when shes not. SO a lot of push and pulll wiht the arrogant hot add party girls. "why odont u love me is it because IM white" so those small moments where the girls attention wanders he says these illogical things that gets her attention back to him. All tis happens very fast in real time and is liek a constant battle back and forht hwilst thep phyiscality is there. When the girls try to disaporve of him or shit test him he says stuff liek fine throw me wawy like a dog throw me away lieka  peice of trash LOl. The lines Julien uses are reminsicent of lines form a romantic novel or a couple thats beend aitng for a long time and its very passionate push and pull. WHen Julien opens a girl and plows and then she gets hooked then he pushes by saying stuff like Im gonna go to the bathroom fuk off. SO julien says stuff to the girl that a girl usauly says to guys when they are being add and blowing guuys off. Superb example of reverse psychology. JUlin makes a lot of jokes on being inbred on the girls parents being inbred on him ahving no sexual experience but he pracitsed a little on his sitster LOL. WHenever julien asked the girl a question or teased her or questioned her he had this look on his face that was playful and inquisitve looking ath the girl ike hes not sure if shes cool or not. HE says stuff liek why do you love me so much celverly framing it as if the girl is in love with him and hes not having any of it LOL. AT times when the girl is really loving his stuf he says stuff liek well its relaly nice meeting u have a good night. Pushing after the poulling. LOts of push pull in his game. He always claisms hes very shy and that he never talks to girls, alwasy diusqualifying hiimself. "i a regualr american and thaen plays that role and proceeds to mock the interview style of chodeversation. whats ur name what do u do etc.  AT any moment when the girl tries to take control or come of authroticatve he scolds he yells at her and grabs her. He says opposing illogical things "are you good at sex, im new to love" THe whole time im wathcin th long convo at the LA lcub wiht  a  bonafide dumb bolonde hottie I see him vibing and fluffingand push pulling an dkissing for soo long I start thinkgin wtf why didnt he pull her like 20 mins ago why is he still spending all this time teasing her and lpaying around. ANd then I noticed he only started going for pull by dropping lines liek "hey afterparty" when she started asking him questions. So once she started getting more intersted in him by asking a ll thes questions then he tried to seed the pull. SHe then replies lets exchange phones and he said no i dont do numbers and then tells her he explains he doenst od it auntil he really gets to know the person and basically gives her no choice at future interactions unless ehs goes home with him. AT one point he grabs her softly and then pulls her in real hard so the physicality is really playful and fun but is almost foreshadowing the intensity of his phyiscality which probably makes her think about sex. HE says stuf liek you dont have to come u can go back to your own broing life. You wil lvoe me forever. SO the verbals are alwyas suggesting and very extreme in teh sense theat they are absolute in their nature when oconveying whatever message. 

YOu know that moment you come out the club with teh girl adn usually get excited tinking oh shit im actually gonna have sex tonight ( i do at least) well Juliens not thinking this instead he plays wuith the girl and says to her shit you look different outside, i gotta let you go u can go. SO I am reiterating this in my notes to understand to push pullheavily and htis keeps the engy in the interaction going. There is no dull moments in juliens ineraction no boring moents he does not let it happen. Julien also mentions a lot that he has a girlfriedn (reverse pyschology) stuff girls usually say to guys. I have kids and a grilfriend" BUt i dont sleep wiht her. 

DAmn we need an intermission its getting to late i need sleep See u guys later with teh final bit of the notes :)
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 Thanks homie
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Thanks laterus now back to me in the main studio. OK imgonna apoligize guys becaue half of my notes I cant read that stuff for shit. And in the moment i just jotted down julien's banter in realtimelike a frenzied journaalsit tryna get the latest scoop. It consistied of push pull and beating shit tests and more of suggestive statemnts trying toshape the girls reality. A concept which is new and is doing wonders for my game even though I have not been able to go out properly. So Im gonna jump in stragiht to ALEXANDER~



ALEXANDER~

Use awesome adjectives to describe yourself to yourself. I live a "charmed" life.
Use awesome adjectives to describe your relationship to her. I'm the man in her life. 

ALex touched on screening points.  He would ask girls specifically if they travelled a lot which means the girl is more independant and more likely to ONS.

TO find out if  the girl hes talking to has a gf he would point to soem other guy and ask her if she would want that guy to be her boyfriend. TO which if she says she has a boyfirend already well now u know.

HE would ask suggestive questions that would help reveal the girls motives for th night. "YOu would have partied hard" ANd he drops in these statments almost unoticed so its enough for the girl to hear it but not enough for her to sit on it because as soon as laex says it hes alreayd on to a new statement totally unrelated to that preivous suggestive statement.

ALex misinterprets sexually suggestive things like asked the girl what she does and hes like you mean ur a pole dancer?

Alex showed a bathroompull, barely had eany pbhysicality with her leading up to it except for a litle forearm grabbing. while walking her to the bathroom he asks her "If i was feeling sick and needed to vomit would u help me out" and she said yes as they walked into the bathroom and fade to black. 

ALex nebtuibs how every girl has a disposition and that its only because fo a girls dispositon that we can get to fuck them. SO a girl may have decided before the night started that she hasnt had sex in a while so tonight she woul be willing if the right gy came along. SO all alex suggest is to bring the girls dispostion out and help her achive that goal. HE also says that taking a girl home is alwys becuase of this disposition and u will enver fuck a girl if she never has the dispositon of wanting to get laid. "THere is no picking up in a club." HE says this becasue it allievates the guys tension wiht having to try to get laid and sinstead jsut have fun. 

MOre awesome statemnts to realizee "if it can be done I can do it"

Make the girl feel comfortable with u "friendly and nice" she will only have sex wiht u if she trsut u. 

Everythig else is very illegible Hope u guys take away some value. ANy questions just Ask

I love u guys.
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