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[proVIE] Mountaineer From Vienna: From Intermediate Purgatory To Advanced Stealth Awesomeness
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BerlinCity

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 great on the assumption piece, bro. Should cultivate that.
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Mountaineer-~

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@Dyna
yeah, this is kind of fucked up when we want to head over and do "one last set" because the other guys are already waiting. however, if the girl is really hot we should maybe consider to split up...

@BerlinCity
nice
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Mountaineer-~

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Week 53 (25.03. – 31.03.) – First Anniversary Of My Journal!

Alright, the first year of my Journal is finished. I struggled in the beginning to even start it because of the attention and as a consequence thereof the outcome dependence you get to make shit happen and don’t look like a fool. However, over time I learned that the Journal is mainly for myself to document my development. Even though it costs a couple of hours every week to write this damn thing it’s more than worth it because you get plenty of insights out of it! So, I definitely will continue to write. However, the focus will shift more to the main lessons and sets of every night and less to every detail. Done.

Another big thing happened this week: I moved to a new flat. Why is it a big thing? Because Zonk lives in the flat right next to it. We removed a divider that separated our 2 balconies leading to one big balcony that both of us can access. This means that more awesome stuff like 2 on 2 pulls, “sharing” FBs, etc. will go down from now on haha. Really look forward to that kind of action. YEAH! Btw Zonk and I already pulled the first 2 girls back to our flats this weekend. Unfortunately they both had BFs and were way too stifled for shit to happen.

Because I moved and was a little bit under the weather this week I didn’t take that much action (at least by my standards). Also I didn’t take that much notes so it’s going to be pretty short on some days. Whatever, who cares…

Recognized that I’m obvisously vibing hardcore that I’m a player, meaning that it seems that I’m “too” confident and everything runs too smooth I guess. Definitively have to work on that one because I got several “we have different goals where this should lead to” and this before I even fucked the girl. Unfortunately once I’m in that corner I’m currently not able to get out of it because I’m not going to lie (“I just want you and no other girls”). Conclusion for me is to start to build a new fuck funnel because the girls that are in it are crap concerning the probability that I lay some of them.


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Monday FB:
Primary FB

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Tuesday Day2:
with hottie from Friday
Meet up with hot brunette from Friday. This girl was very skeptical from the get go and just gave me shit the whole time. However, she stayed alone in the bar with me even though her friends were already gone. We start with billard of course. I talk with her about the reasons why she’s that skeptical. Slowly she starts to open up. Move her over to Gbar. Good vibing. She starts to get physical. I get a good feeling that finally she let go of her skeptical shit. Then she starts a political discussion. WTF, is she stupid. I really think if I want to continue this because this is stupid and just turns me off. Try to change the topic a few times but she always comes back to it. Tell her pretty judgemental that her behavior is unnecessary and will lead to nowhere. She gets it and doesn’t persist on the topic. Initiate the pull back to my place. She’s getting skeptical again. Finally I manage it to get her back to my place. Good vibing initially. Then she sees some books of mine about self development and starts again to talk shit. I’m completely unreactive but she’s still not relaxing. Then she’s already putting on her pullover. WTF. I have nothing to loose. Go for the makeout. Nogo. 2nd time. Nogo. Kick her out of my flat. This is stupid.

Conclusion:
-this was the first time that I considered to just go away from a day2 because of the girl persisting to talk negatively about politics…
-nevertheless a good reference experience to get a girl back to my flat even though she’s that sceptical

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Wednesday NOOP:
First day in ages I feel kind of ill/weak and have a sore throat. I don’t get it whats happening here… I’m enough, I don’t need that haha. Guess the reason is that I really went over the top now because the 2 nights Sun/Mon and Mon/Tue I figuratively snapped my neck. didn’t schedule any day2s for this day anyway.

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Thursday:
The notes of this night are pretty short. Guess I went out with Zonk and Especial. Bar was definitely our fav. bar. That’s for sure haha. Just remember a german 2 set that behaves like typical Germans do even though they’re living in Austria. Being stifled, unfriendly and offending Austria. To the question why they are here if everything is so fucked up here they don’t have an answer haha. Idiots! However, not all of them are that fucked up but the percentage if fucking high. It’s time now to strike back on people that are behaving like complete idiots from the get go so Especial heads over to them and tells them that they should go home if they’re not even able to hold a normal conversation. Well done haha.

I also bump into a brunette cutie that remembers me. Unfortunately I don’t remember her. Turns out that she was just standing next to the brunette small girl I talked to on Friday. She talkative but also gives me shit. I cannot remember the exact reason why I eject but I guess it’s because I’m not sure if it’s worth it to to plow through.

Conclusion:
-there wasn’t much going on but I did my sets
-maybe should have sticked to the girl that knew me from before

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Friday:
I’m packing stuff for my relocation. In the evening I’m pretty tired and just want to sleep because the next day will be going to be exhausting too. Just do one longer set with a brunette younger girl. She’s obviously attracted because she disses all her friends for me. However she’s way too stifled to make shit happen and always in her head. Go for the afterparty. Nogo.

Conclusion:
-in the end it was a waste of time and I should’ve gone home earlier to get more sleep

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Saturday:
Alright, so I’m tired and feel like shit from the last couple of days and moving to my new flat. Go out anyway of course. Head out wit Zonk to our fav. bar. A semi-natural which I considered I could maybe go out in the future (he seemed to have good mindsets concerning entitlement and a very low key approach to girls) is also there. Unfortunately it turns out that he not really goes for his goals and settled for a girl which isn’t really his dream girl.

We chill at the bar. I’m interested how he’s doing but after a couple of minutes I get bored. No one is taking action. A chode chrystal builds up… Enough, I just Open a girl that walks by. She tells me she knows me from before. She looks familiar but I cannot remember. She tells me about what we talked. That’s definitely stuff I didn’t say. Also she tells me that she saw me last weekend in a bar I haven’t been to for years but she didn’t come over because she wasn’t sure if she would interrupt me in something important. Epic fail girl haha. Anyway, whatever the constellation of our maybe already happened first interaction was, I quickly screen for her situation. WTF, she has a BF and a child. Since Zonk is engaging her friend (not hot) I stick in the set a little more. Since nothing is going to happen with this girl anyway why not have a interesting discussion about monogamy vs. having multiple girls and provoking a statement what exactly should be better in an exlcusive relationship than in FB “relationship”. She cannot answer it. I kind of like it to question the relationships people usually have because they’re not able to say why their (or a exclusive relationship in general) is better than a FB. Good amusement.

After this set Zonk and I chill at the bar. I’m completely passive because I’m tired as fuck and need to cure from the happenings of the last couple of days. Then I realize that there’s no point in inaction. Either I take action now or I go home and take a long sleep. Sooo, I stand up and look for a set. Just one fitting set there. 2 very cute girls. They’re pretty young but whatever. Open. Zonk joins in. They’re into it. Since I have to drive to the countryside next day I don’t have time to wait till the end of the night to make shit happen. After a couple of minutes I already initiate the afterparty plotline. My girl seems down. Find out that both have BF. They’re the only fitting 2set at the moment so whatever… Then the other girl drags my girl to the bathroom (guess she’s not fully sure). When they come back we reapproach. I persist to head over to another bar. They’re not sure, look to each other and say “if you want to go we can go”. I cut that shit and persist for the pull like not even accepting a no. Zonk and I get our jackets and off we go. We’re heading to Gbar which is just around our flats. Unfortunately there is no free entry there. The girls want to leave. I go for the afterparty at my place. Nogo. 4 times rule. Nogo. Go for the number. Nogo. Haha, I did everything that was possible. Let them go.

We decide to enjoy a beer and afterwards will call it a night. Some general discussions with Zonk. Then I spot 2 girls that are putting on their jackets. Zonk opens when they’re walking by. I engage one of the girls. She’s into it. WTF, both have a BF. I don’t care. Initiate the afterparty plotline. They’re skeptical. I don’t care. Persist like a little motherfucker, reframing every shit she gives me and not accepting any no whatsoever. So we head back with the girls to Zonks flat. The lesson I learned last time is to not ask girls for things they want to do at the afterparty. Just assume it! There are several situations they give us shit like just waiting in the anteroom not getting rid of their shoes and jackets. Based on my experience I recognize this shit immediately and take right action to not let this situation getting akward and to bring them to do what I want them to do. I also just start to unpack Zonks Twister while talking to them fully assuming that we’re going to play together. One girl doesn’t really want to play. I just plow through it and put her hand to the right spot. But she keeps trying to eject from it. In the end we wind up on the couch again with both girls being too stifled to make something happen. Especially my girl is stifled as hell. We get rid of them and shoot the shit a little.

Conclusion:
-even though I’m tired as fuck once I make the decision to take action I just go on autopilot and open a set
-pull 2 girls to another bar and 2 other girls back to our flats based on pure persistence, not letting a “No” count. Good reference experience.
-while having the girls back at the flat on a 2 on 2 pull it is key to separate them. also actions like playing twister are just a means to an end. have to be aware what the purpose of playing twister is: physicality. it is important to cut it once you’ve reached that and not wait till the girls get bored of it


Alright, that’s it for the week. Enjoy your track and I’ll talk to you next week.



Cheers,
Mountaineer-~
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Dork4ever

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When you've escalated AND layed a superhot woman like the german eventmanager for a hotel chain, do you keep in touch for future sexual encounters?
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Emerveillement

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 "Just remember a german 2 set that behaves like typical Germans do even though they’re living in Austria. Being stifled, unfriendly and offending Austria."

I get with the germans here all the time as well, from what I can say from my own experience, its their own version of the ultimate shit-test which you just have to endure/beat. If you can tolerate their retardedness, they melt. I just overamplify it, make second world war jokes and adjacent roleplay, to the point where they go: "YOU CANT SAY THAT!?" just ignore it, "its fine/irrelevant/you wanted me to say that" , try it :)
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@Dork4ever
normally I try to get girls into my rotation because the sex gets better over time. however, the german eventmanager is a complete mess concerning texting back (at first was working 24/7 for a congress, then got sick and travelled Germany without texting back over a couple of weeks). she also wants her glasses back that she forgot at my place. however, she's not even able to text back concerning this topic so she's just retarded IMO. let's see how this turns out...

@Emerveillement
thx for the info, maybe I will try this... however, I'm at a point now that I really question that I "have to endure every fucked up girl just to get laid"... there are enough "normal" girls around too...

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Week 55 (01.04. – 07.04.) – First Week of “Project Vienna” / Escaped Weird Sex Party

Finally the first full week of “Project Vienna”. Zonk and I are living next to each other. We removed the separation wall on the balcony leading to a 15m² balcony that can be accessed from both of our flats. Awesome logistics. I’m looking forward to crazy adventures!

I don’t have time so I’m vomiting this field report in about one hour…

Problem: I’m completely lacking time for myself and especially for sleep (again!!!). Have to do plenty of stuff in my new flat (getting new shit, sorting out old stuff, signing new contracts, cancelling old contracts, etc.). I have enough reference experiences now to not go to every day2 and use my time more intelligent. Time for Sleep! Stumpled upon Tylers video about sleep and I came to the same conclusion: I cannot go on and on without sleep. There have to be times of “contraction” where I rest a little to be ready for the next awesome adventure. It’s completely stupid on my current “level” to waste time with day2s that I either consider the girl as not fucking hot or she’s very stifled/strange or anything like that.
Last couple of weeks were a little still because FBs are out of town. Also it was good to have some time for managing my move to my new flat. That’s also the reason why I didn’t go for a meetup with my primary FB on Monday (visited family in the countryside and needed time in the evening for organizing some stuff in my new flat).

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Wednesday FB:
Hungarian FB
First time I have sex in my new flat (and first sex after one week). Awesome!

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Thursday:
Head out with Zonk (and Especial I guess) to our fav. bar. Cannot remember any details now as it’s already ago too long… Anyway, we get into a 2set. Unfortunately the girl that looked way hotter from the other side of the bar turns out to not be that hot. My girl tells me that she has a BF. Whatever, for the sake of the 2 on 2 pull we stick in it because it’s the best set there is left there and pull them out of the club. Zonk is ther by car. They don’t want to get into it. Zonk and I are paralyzed about that. We don’t know what to do. Let them go back into the bar when Zonk has the glourious idea that he is taking the car and I’m walking with them. I re-enter the bar. They have already ordered. Zonks second good idea is to use plastic cups for their drinks. The girls are down for it and we head over to Gbar. It’s insane there. Zonk is talking with the 2 girls while I get engaged by a 43yo woman as well as a gay guy. Both of them want to fuck me. Good to get some validation in between. Afterwards the girls want to go home. I just persist and get them to come with us because “we have the same way home”. On the way my girl starts to talk massively about dirty shit and wants translations for giving head and getting fucked doggy style in german. Haha. Based on pure persistence I pull my girl into the hallway of our house. Zonk follows with his girl. We arrive upstairs. I isolate my girl through the balcony to my flat “to get some ananas” while Zonk stays with his girl in his flat. Now it’s time. My girl starts a conversation about having a BF again. Damnit. I logically try to convince her at first. Stupid! Then I recognize the fact and just lead her to my bedroom, grab her hands and pull her in. Unfortunately she immediately goes back to the kitchen. It’s not over! Some more talking. Suddenly Zonks girl enters my flat from the balcony. I know immediately that she is about to drag my girl away and wants to go home. We’re done. Nevertheless another good reference experience of pulling 2 girls back to our place.

Conclusion:
-opening a set, engaging our girls separately, pulling them back to the flat 2 on 2 is working pretty good now with Zonk. Where we have to focus on is isolating them once they’re back at our place and then making shit happen!
-unfortunately we always “get” girls with boyfriends the last couple of days (as best opportunities for pulling them). WTF is going on here… However, it’s even better to see that girls with boyfriends and from other countries go home with you that easy
-good reference experience with the car. At first we were paralyzed how to turn this around withoug “loosing our faces (ie value)” but then we figured out that it’s just as easy as saying “no problem, Zonk is driving and I’m walking with you there”.

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Friday Day2:
I don’t want to waste too much time on writing this one. Just that the girl seemed strange and uncalibrated (doesn’t get jokes, etc.) right from the get go. BUT because I’m a goal getter and she was attracted I stuck to it and met with her for a day2.

After billard we head over to Gbar. She’s asking explicite questions what I’m planning to do with her. New topic. Done. I get a feeling that sex is a little bit far away with her so I make a pitstop in my old flat to get some stuff and beer. “At least she can carry some stuff of mine frome my old to my new flat” haha. Get her back to my flat. And then… NOTHING HAPPENS. Go for the makeout. Nogo. Again. Nogo. Kick her out of my flat.

Conclusion:
-maybe it was a little bit of a self fulfilling prophecy but I “knew it” from the beginning that this is probably leading nowhere. However, even this stifled girl I got back to my place

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Friday:
After this somehowe unnecessary day2 I head out with Zonk and Especial. Because it’s already fucking late I just pick up Zonk from our fav. bar and we head over to Volksgarten. There I do one set with Especial. He’s on fire that night. My girl is over me. Try to lead to chillout area. Nogo. They want to dance. Get her number. Finally go with them to the dancefloor. Shoot the shit with Espcial and my girl there. Then they go to the bathroom. We don’t wait for them.

Second set is a brunette hottie with Bulgarian roots. Fuck yeah! Good vibing. Lead her to the chillout area. More good vibing. Try more of Zonks “chode question stuff” to not get perceived as this player. Get her number. In the end I try to pull her over to ouf fav. bar, nogo. Leave the club with her. Go again for afterparty. Nogo. Fair enough.

Conclusion:
-because I’m experimenting with Zonks “chode interaction” stuff my game is kind of fucked up right now. Let’s see how this turns out

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Saturday:
Zonk and I had bday this week so we head out for a “beisl rally”. This means just walking from bar to bar trinking one drink and move on. We find plenty of interesting locations for day2s. Fucking awesome! Also I bump into a girl that chases me since 2 years ago to get laid. She works in a bar we want to do a pitstop. Unfortunatley they are already about to close it. Finally we arrive at fav. bar, I’m drunk after about 10+ little beers. Definitely not used to it. Find myself in a set for quite some time. Go for the number. Nogo. Cannot remember why…

Join a set Zonk opened I guess. Cute blonde girl is pretty engaging and asks me many questions. She’s from Finland. Get her number early (thx to Alex-). Later she’s gone. My “fanboy girl” calls me to ask me where I am. 30min later Zonk and I decide to leave the bar because we’re pretty exhausted from the “beisl rally”. On the way home Zonk says something like “this is the first night since we’re neighbors that we didn’t pull girls home”. I just say “we didn’t pull yet”. 2min later my phone rigns. Fanboy girl calls me again and invites me to an afterparty. She says its going to be a sex party. I even talk with the second girl who’s married and wants me/us to come over also. Haha interesting. We arrive there. A strange dude with a knife in his hand welcomes us. After I shook hands with him I recognize that there is blood on his hands. His wife is taking a shower. He wants to talk to my fanboy girl for a sec in another room. We leave because this shit is too crazy… Like expected another couple of minutes later fanboy girl calls me again and wants me to come back to them. Nogo. Then she wants to come to my place. Tell her that both of the girls can come BUT without the guy. Write them a text that they should text me if they’re coming or not shortly because otherwise we’re going to sleep. Nothing happens. Next day I wake up and see that fanboy girl called me a couple of times and texted me. Too late girl…

Conclusion:
-crazy day. drunken mastery…
-good reference experience for “it’s never over”. even if you’re already on the way back home

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Sunday:
Girl from january that I lost because “something happened on the weekend” starts to respond to my “beisl rally” text. She wants to meet up on Wednesday. Would be great to fuck her. She’s a good combination of really hot, good educated (she’s currently on the way to her PhD) and seems pretty dirty. Fuck yeah!


Alright, that was a vomited version of the week. Enjoy your track and I’ll talk to you next week!



Cheers,
Mountaineer-~
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Mountaineer-~ wrote:
A strange dude with a knife in his hand welcomes us. After I shook hands with him I recognize that there is blood on his hands.
haha, wtf xD
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