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[proVIE] Mountaineer From Vienna: From Intermediate Purgatory To Advanced Stealth Awesomeness
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Dynamique

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i would say this was a really great week even though there was no new girl, but i assume there were only few weeks with so many reference experiences because u had a lot of dates and got lots of new shit u werent used to. this is more usefull than an easy pull that u already have done a houndred times. We should Cut the cord with stupid girls like on saturday earlier. i think Alexanders new video about low risk high risk suits this topic. - although some girls just need time if they are not the slutty party type. i think that would have been the case. but they were attention seekers: it came to my mind that when i started opening them back at voga she told me that she speaks german since one year only and i just answerd "aha" - she was kinda frustrated about my reaction and added: "its cool how well i speak after one year, isnt it?" - lol, u want me to say the same thing every chode is saying? they were just playing.
besides: i was really shocked when u told us u didnt bang the girl on friday. it was obviously way tooooo smooth. this girl could have been a fast snl and i think the girlfriend messed it up. sorry for not arousing her enough, but this girl was simply insane (even though she opened up to me on the dancefloor)
i didnt even have enough time to reflect all our nights that much but its good to just focus on the main things. lesson learnd, heading over to an awesome new week.
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Week 50 (04.03. – 10.03.) – The Week Of Fools Gold And Destruction Of My Pimp Ego [AV]

Well, Hello!

It’s the week of fools gold. Had the feeling that several sets (=numbers) were fucking solid. FOOLS GOLD. Partly it turned into NOTHING. Fortunately I found out that girls not responding can mean different things. 2 factors are that she cannot connect to you anymore (“just a guy from the club. I cannot really remember/was drunk”) or that she doesn’t feel entitled to you. Qualification is key to make it more solid “you’re drunk. you will not even remember me/my name/the great time we had tomorrow…” AND on the same note qualify her up to your level by telling her what you really appreciate concerning her personality! I completely lack in this department. Need to sincerely compliment girls more.

Also my “I’m enough so you at least have to talk to me” pimp ego got destroyed by sets not even opening even though I plowed through. Very strange but I guess we just needed it to get back even stronger in the future.

It’s funny how several girls are in town or not awailable from week to week. This week 2 follow up day2s + the German girl I already fucked are not possible meaning that I have kind of a hole in my calendar. However, next week looks like is going overboard again where I’m going to have too little time… Ridiculous…

Unfortunately it looks like I lost polish FB (at least for the moment). However, I guess that one new girl from the current 2 day2s and German girl will make it into the rotation… Fair enough!

Alex- visited me from Thu to Sun. Because we are seeing each other pretty often now I use the notation [AV] for Alex- visits me in Vienna and [AI] for I visit Alex- in Innsbruck. As we still didn’t pull 2 on 2 we will probably try to find 2 separate girls and merge them together before we pull them home.

This week I cracked the 300 pages mark with my Journal. WTF, this is already the size of a book.

had several situations where I really needed to go “through the pain” again (taxi, getting nothing at all after approaching). These were very good reference experiences for my growth.

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Monday FB:
Primary FB
Wee cook something together. Mainly I cook haha. Guess I will really “use” FBs to learn cooking. While spending plenty of time with them why not doing something productive like learning something new…

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Tuesday FB:
Hungarian FB

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Wednesday:
I really tried to schedule at least one day2 for this day. It’s strange. It didn’t work. Nooooo. During the day a FB contacts me. She would be down for a meetup for sure. But this doesn’t bring me forward and I already saw her on Sunday…

Anyway, good to have a chill night for myself. Time to get some shit in my flat handled and prepare stuff for Alex- who’s going to visit me from Thu-Sun.

Finally watch Memento (good film concerning mindsets). During that time I get a text from the girl I met during day and already met up but ended up not fucking her YET. She texts me that she had a very bad day, couldn’t fall asleep and needs someone to talk. My first thought is that I’m not going to be a chode friend who’s listening to her problems and then doesn’t get laid in the end. Stupid since from my experience I already know that this is just in her head. It can be a good thing because she’s already pretty arousLed and emotional. I fucked my first Tirolean FB (which used to be a Lesbian for years…) back in the day on a day where her granny died… In the end stupid that I didn’t answered her right away. However, I answer her after 20min. Unfortunately it’s already too late since she already fell asleep… Whatever…

Conclusion:
-after so much action it feels good to finally have a “day off”
-kind of fucked up one “booty call”. whatever… it’s “good” to see that even though I fucked up to schedule a day2 there are always other girls (FB, etc.) around that want to meet up shortly

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Thursday:
Alright, so Alex- arrives in Vienna. Pick him up from the train station and we head out for some dinner. Good catch up talk about the latest developments in our game. Then back to my place where Zonk and Especial join us. We roll to our fav. bar.

I open immediately after entering the bar. Cute girls in a mixed bigger set. Turns out that they’re from Germany… However, isolate one girl away. I’m not really motivated to go through all that stuff again since they’re just here for another month. So it’s not going to be a FB and therefore I’m not really motivated to do something. Pretty strange for the most people but based on my abundance level it’s really not worth it.

We head over to Platzhirsch. There’s a general problem that we find ourselves in. Either Alex- or I are in set. But not at the same time in the same set… It’s hard to finally find both of us “free” to open a 2set together.

Open a superhot 2set from my hometown. My girl is blonde. Zonk joins. They go to the dancefloor after some time. I don’t persist. Guess it’s because of the planned 2 on 2 pull with Alex-…

Another 2set with Zonk. Good stuff. Zonks girl is just in town for the weekend. Again plan 2 on 2 with Alex so I get the number of my girl. Through texting it turns out that my girl has a BF that she “forgot about” while talking to me and giving me the number. This is a clear sign for going for a SNL haha!

See a brunette 2set. Smoking hot. Open. I’m chill as fuck. Alex- wings me. This would be a “perfect” set to pull since Alex- finds his girl also superhot. After some time they eject without saying anything but come back after a few minutes. They want to go home. I go for the afterparty several times. Nogo. Get the number. It looks pretty solid since the interaction was good and she encourages me to call her on the spot so that she also has my number. However, at first she doesn’t respond to my texts till I finally find out that she feels not entitled to meet up with me “I’m just 18. I have to ask you what you’re expecting from me…”

Then the first set in a long time that doesn’t open at all. See a cute 2set at the bar. Alex- and I are going to them at the same time. Probably this fucks it up. They didn’t even want to talk to us. Statement of empathy also doesn’t work. WTF. It’s a complete mindblow. Since my Bootcamp this is the first set I can remember that doesn’t open. Guess it was about time to the “I’m enough, therefore every girl wants me or at least wants to talk to me” pimp ego. “Obviously some girls are just too stupid to see the value I’m offering…” That’s the first rationalization I have. It’s kind of true but this would just protect my pimp ego I guess.

It’s already pretty late and the venue is getting empty. See a blonde 2set next to us. Both are pretty hot. Alex-s girl already made out with some other dude. Doesn’t matter since she just got arousLed. Fair enough. They go to the dancefloor after a few minutes. Since it looks like this is the last hot set we chill near the exit because they sooner or later have to walk by. Then they leave the club. We just leave at the same time. I reapproach on the way upstairs. Outside I just say “hunger”. Her response is “We’re going home”. Obviously she assumed that we want them to join. Go again for afterparty. Nogo. Then we eject and start to go home.

After some time I recognize that I didn’t apply the 4 times rule. We’re already 50m away from the club exit. I can feel that this is superweird (low value) if we would go back now. I feel like I felt back in the day when I had AA. First thought is to say nothing to Alex- and just continue to go home but then my willpower kicks in. “I’m not going to chode myself out now. Now is the moment to push my comfort zone!”. Fuck yeah, I love my willpower. We go back to the girls (using a little crutch: go to the ATM next to them first). From the ATM we see that a guy is talking to them. He leaves. When we come back from the ATM they are already sitting in a taxi. Strange thing is that one girl is sitting next to the driver, the other girl in the backseat. I’m going straight to the taxi and point to the window indicating that she should pull it down. She does it. I plow for the afterparty giving her several excuses. She bends forwards and I can see a little smile in her face. I interpret it like “Oh no, what am I doing here. This is going to be fun and probably I will get fucked by this cool guy…”. I say “we’re now joining you in the taxi”. Alex- and I take a seat. The girl in the backseat looks pissed. Maybe they had an argument and that’s also the reason why they are not sitting next to each other. Anyway, I tell the taxi driver my address. Then a discussion starts that they are driving first to their place. NOOOO. Absolute nogo from my side. This would just mean that they leave the cab and we would have to pay for the cab. Complete bullshit. We leave the taxi after the next corner and call it a night.

Conclusion:
-we wasted plenty of time not doing a 2set together but waiting for the other one who’s in set. stupid…
-destruction of my pimp ego because 2 girls didn’t open at all. good stuff, it was abaut time for that
-massive comfort zone push to reopen that hot blonde 2set outside of the club. probs to me!

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Friday:
Zonk is ill. Head out with Alex- and Dyna to Donau. It’s packed full. Alex- has a good reference experience for the fact that girls just have an attention span of an ant. At first she’s superpissed at Alex- and 15min later she’s superfriendly.

See girl that I pulled home last Friday but she refused to make out. This was very strange stuff. She told me all the time about her past relationship and said all the time that I’m a player. Guess this was the reason why she wasn’t down for escalation. I’m Indecisive, what should I do with her. Go for it again risking to get out nothing and just wasting time. Get a little into my head. After going a round and not seing her again I finally decide to head over to Volksgarten.

Don’t approach right from the get go. See again a chode chrystal building up. I eject and approach. After 5min get a “nice to meet you”. WTF is this…

Bump into a superhot brunette. She looks very familiar. Turns out she’s a twin. I recognize that I already made out with her or her sister haha. I’m indecisive again. There are different forces pulling in different directions. Closing this girl vs. looking for a 2set to pull 2 on 2 or even a 3 on 3 pull. This is so fucked up and paralyzes me. She’s also drunk so I let her go after persisting 2 times. Whatever…

A guy from Zonks social circle approaches us and gets very annoying and wants us to come to his friends bday party the next day… no hotties there and warm approach. Fuck that…

Open a blonde one on the semi-dancefloor. She’s into it. Isolate her to the chillout area. She tells me that her “BF” is there too. I know what this means. She cannot do something here. Get her number and screen for the day2. Good stuff. Should have qualified her more though. Turns out to be fools gold via text the following days.

Then my “I’m enough ego” gets destroyed… A couple of girls that don’t even start the convo. I plow through a little but then they say stuff like “I don’t know you” and after that “I don’t even want to get to know you”. Fuck, this never really happened to me since the Bootcamp. My plowing doesn’t change anything. Fucking shit.

I get into my head thinking what is better. Stay here with a lower probability to pull or head back to our fav. bar where it’s easier but probably already too empty. Finally head back to our fav. bar. No hot girls there anymore. We call it a night.

Back at my place discussion with Alex-. I was a little flabbergasted because I had to accept that the “I’m enough” is no magic pill that solves everything. It’s 80%, but not everything. We come to the conclusion that in very hard venues where the girls really think that they have all the value you have to express more neg. emotions like calling her out on her shit about being unnecessary bitchy, and she obviously doesn’t have proper upbringing because she’s behaving like a little brat. Short: to her and after that ask her “if she’s ready now to have a normal conversation” (statement of empathy).

Conclusion:
-even though it hurts it was necessary to finally get the “I’m enough ego” destroyed
-hope the conclusion we made work. we will try it out!
-we should have gone for the twins even though her sister was allegedly already busy…

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Saturday Day:
Alex- and I are just walking down the streets discussing several topics when I recognize that 2 dudes are talking about pickup. We’re following them… It’s so funny. We’re having a blast.

Also open a 2set full Alexander~style. Unfortunately they give me nothing over a couple of minutes so I finally eject.

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Saturday:
Head out with Alex-, Dyna and Especial (Zonk is still ill) to Ramien. It’s pretty late for warmup so we just stay there for a short time. Pretty packed there. Time to socialize a little. Not worth it to mention specific sets except the fact that I bump into an ex-colleague from university that states like “you get no girls”. This amuses me and I have to start to laugh hilariously. Alex- who is standing next to us doesn’t get the the other guy actually isn’t joking and talks rubbish too. Funny stuff with these chodes. Obviously he has no Menschenkenntnis at all. After a couple of seconds I just talk to a girl next to me and let the chode stand and look like a fool. Whatever…

Head over to Volksgarten. After the destruction of Alex- and my pimp egos on Friday it’s time to face the “enemy” again and make something happen. Good stuff.

On the first round I open a 2set on the dancefloor. Alex- wings me. It’s fucking loud and we can hardly hear each other. We stand pretty far away from each other. I lean back. Fortunately the inclination to make a step towards the girl is almost gone. Fuck yeah. She leans over to me and finally steps over to me. Good vibing. She’s completely sucked into my reality and doesn’t recognize the music anymore even though we’re standing in the middle of the dancefloor. After a few minutes I lead her to the bar. Brush and lead of course haha. Alex- follows with his girl. Some more vibing till I finally lead them to the chillout area. Then they suddenly disappear without saying anything. I heard something about the bathroom. Strange. However, we stay in this area for a couple of minutes. Since they’re not back yet we check out the outside tent area.

This club is too big to find someone again when you loose him. I get a little pissed at myself that I didn’t go for the number. Problem is that I’m still in an old mindset concerning getting numbers. Guess it’s from Julien where he talks about never going for the number if the lay is possible because it releases all the tension. However Alexander~ talks about it the complet other way. Will go for the second approach from now on…

Nothing going on in the tent. Come back were the girls obviously are just coming back from the bathroom. Since Alex- told me that his girl is not hot enough we decide that we’re not going to stick to this set for the 2 on 2 pull. I get the number of my girl and already screen for possible days for the day2. Off we go to the bathroom.

Then Alex- opens a superhot 2set. After a couple of minutes I find out that my girl has a BF. However, it seems that she’s not that straight forward about it so I stick to it. Then Alex-‘ girl gets a text and they’re about to go. Since my girl has a BF I don’t do anything actively – it’s Alex-‘ responsibility to hold them back if he has the feeling that this is going anywhere. Unfortunately he doesn’t hold them back. One of his biggest sticking points now is ego protection. Social Stamina! Whatever, they’re gone… We can reappraoch them if we will see them again (which is pretty unprobably in this big club).

Open another supercute brunette on the dancefloor. She’s completely into it but has a BF. Nooooo. After some time I let her go since this is too unprobable to happen compared to other sets…

Anyway, having a blast with the boys for some time where we just shoot the shit and talk about our planned trip to Budapest the next weekend.

See a fucking hot blonde one in a 5set. Back in the day there would’ve been no way to approach her. Now I’m superchill “I’m enough”. Just go in. After some time she tells me that she got approached 10 times again and just wants to hang out with her friends. 4 times rule. She gets pissed. Statement of empathy. I can calm her down but then a friend drags her away. Whatever…

See a 2set in the tent. Alex- and I think that this is going to be “the set” of the night. There are 2 chodes in the set. We just wait. There’s no need to blow them out. They will do it on their own anyway haha. Then Dyna comes along not getting that we just waited till the chodes are gone and opens the set. Damnit! Have to communicate this better in the future!

See the girl with the BF from before heading outside. Follow them. She’s there with a hot blonde friend. She winks me over. Alex- and I join. Good vibing. Lead them back inside. Initiate afterparty plotline. Unfortunately their friends already want to go home and they’re staying at their place. However, the host doesn’t give pressure and tells me that they can follow them later. Good stuff. Unfortunately doesn’t work out…

It’s fucking late and the hotties (2sets) are gone. We’re about to call it a night when we see 2 superhot blondes coming along. Alex- wants to go home. I just scream SOCIAL STAMINA haha. Off we go back into the club to find them. They’re sitting. Alex- opens. At first she gives him nothing. Then opens up a little. I join in. Engage my girl. She’s into it. Leans in heavily. Talk about cooking. She tells me that she’s hungry as fuck. Good stuff. Initiate afterparty plotline. She’s a little hesitant. 4 times rule. Doesn’t work. Then they’re standing up and tell me that they have to go now. Go for afterparty once again. Nogo. When I want to pull her back in to go for the number she just goes away. Damnit, this girl was fucking hot… Arrhrhrh. Of course Alex- shits me on the way back home and even on the next day about me not going for the number earlier. Fucking shit. Hope the pain is great enough to learn it now!

Conclusion:
-much better than the night before in Volksgarten
-We’re very straight to pull a 2 set. Next we will try to find 2 separate girls and just merge them together right before we pull them. maybe this works better…
-it was so funny if a chode accuses you to “get no girls”. when I told him that I fucked 8 girls in January he was all over the place and didn’t know if I was joking or not because my subcommunication was very concruent with the statement of course…
-learned that it’s probably better to always go for the number in a set even though you’re planning to pull the girl for a SNL because you never know what happens on the way to the bathroom, etc. Hope the pain is big enough to really apply it…

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Sunday FB:
Salzburg FB


Alright, that’s it for the week. Enjoy your track and I will talk to you next week.



Cheers,
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Dynamique

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I had this “I don’t know you” as well this week. I think its part of this venue. Super weird. Just keep talking i guess.. - Like your statement about that we have to put down the girls from their pedestral they think they are on at Volksgarten. Its expressing your thoughts if we tell them what bitches they are. Guess we have t otry it soon combined with a statement of empathy like u mentioned.
Saturday was so much better, self-amusment back. thats how it should look like!

Sorry again for the stolen 2set! One girl left right afterwards anyway. but right: have to communicate it better. thought its fun and didnt understand why u didnt approach earlier. communcation better in the future, yes.
I think its always good to go for the number even to find her the same night. you can say, hey now each of us has time to go back to each others friends but lets see later again. takes away lots of pressure. although, its a high risk cause the venue is so big that even a text later can lead to not meeting up.

cant wait for the next experiences. merging sets is top on my list!
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Week 51 (11.03. – 17.03.) - Action in Budapest

“Meine Verehrung!”

Latest sticking point that I recognized is that I don’t qualify the girls enough. Had one superhot brunette that texted me (after me eliciting the real reason for her non-responsiveness) that she doesn’t even know what I want from her because she’s just 18. Also I see FBs that are giving me hints that they’re getting no compliments AT ALL. I was blind to it and in denial. The real reason is a very old fear of the past of qualifying them too much. This is complete bullshit as I know now because everything now is coming from a high value standpoint and that “I’m enough”. This means that I will compliment girls for what I sincerely like in their personality.

Conclusion for LMR on day2. I will meet them again but they only get a small timeslot before I meet up with another LMR girl or a FB anyway (fortunately 2 FBs are pretty flexible and I can meet up with them later in the evening). This way I build more comfort and be completely unneedy since I don’t escalate at all. I also have no alternative to that because there’s not enough time in the week left anymore. Lets see how this approach turns out…

Generally I’m lacking in time overall. Get more and more the problem of re-meeting girls after I’m not able to lay them on the first day2. Does a girl that was too stifled to get fucked on the first day2 get prioritized before new girls or FBs… That’s the question. At least I found a provisional solution to that as I will give them smaller time slots before FBs…

Got a sore dick because my primary that I fuck raw lost wetness over a longer session. I didn’t care during the session because I never ever had a sore dick. But this is causing some troubles with the other girls if you loose skin on your dick… Lesson learned I guess haha

It was an awesome weekend in Budapest with good new reference experiences. Especially of making shit happen (=bringing a new girl back to your apartment) even though you’re alone in a new city without local money and knowing the way back to the apartment.


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Monday FB:
Primary FB

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Tuesday Day2:
Short second Day2 with brunette cutie I already met on Thursday in Week 49. Since I got LMR she only gets a small timeslot to build more comfort. No physicality at all from my side. I show her complete unneediness. However, awesome vibing and deep talking. Guess I will lay her on the next Day2.

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Tuesday FB:
Hungarian FB

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Wednesday:
Texting back and forth with girl from Daygame. We had already scheduled a day2 for today but then she texts me that she has to do another guitar lesson and afterwards would be too tired to meet up. She’s done. I text her that her behavior is shit… Because of her I rescheduled Hungarian FB to Tuesday. WTF…

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Thursday - Budapest:
Get on the train to Budapest with Dyna. We’re looking for a place with a table. 2 spots free at a 4seat table where 2 girls are already sitting. We join. Over the next 5 hours we just self amuse and arouse them. My girl is pretty much into it and opens more and more up. Dynas girl is fucking tired and doesn’t speak English very well so she doesn’t talk much. After the trainride we take the girls with us for dinner. Unfortunately we have to check in. We want to get them up into our apartment for the check in. Nogo. They want to wait in the restaurant. That’s not the best thing. We persist that they at least wait in the hallway. After check in head with them to a restaurant. Fucking awesome steak! My girl gets more and more into it. Initiate the afterparty plotline. Dynas girl cockblocks massively. Finally we loose them. Shit happens…

Dyna is destroyed because he’s still sick. We check out a bar. Open a set. Even though her friends want to leave one girl sticks to us heavily. Unfortunately she’s not hot enough so we encourage her to join her friends haha

We head over to Instant. I remember the club. Was there back in the day (2 years ago) assisting Brad on a Bootcamp together with Platzhirsch.

Open a brunette 2set. I’m persistent but they “have to leave to their friends”. We loose them. 5min later I open a blonde hottie. Turns out that they all belong to the 2 girls from before haha. Diss the brunette one frome before for being so stupid. Blondie is engaging and asking many questions. Try to isolate her. Nogo, she has to stay with her friends. More vibing. Finally get her number.

Dyna is destroyed and has to go home. Here’s the situation I’m dealing with:
1. I’m alone
2. Have no single Forint (local currency)
3. I’m hungry, thirsty and tired
4. need to take a massive shit in the near future
5. have no clue how to get back to our apartment

What’s the first response everyone would have? Right, it’s time to call it a night and go home with your friend who knows the way. However, this is also a very good opportunity to push the envelope once again and make shit happen because the venue is full of fucking hot girls. So what do you think am I doing? Right, I STAY!

I’m wondering around for a couple of minutes looking for a good set until I open the first set. It’s a mixed 3set where one dude is engaging one girl and the other girl is just standing next to them. I just get shit from the girl over the first 2min before she opens up a little bit. I can sense that this is not worth the effort and eject after some time.

Open a Turkish/Portuguese set. They are all into me. Standing around me and asking questions. Turns out that one is a virgin. Nogo. The other one is very introverted. Nogo for a SNL. Third one is not hot enough. So after getting enough validation from them (needs some time to recognize that) I eject.

Head up to the first floor. See a 3set. Open. At first they don’t even want to shake hands. I persist. Then they shake hands and open up. Over the course of 2min they are all over me and start to engage heavily. However, one girl is significantly more down than the others and touches me heavily. Lead her to the dancefloor. She’s leaning in hard core. After some more minutes I brush and lead her away from the dancefloor. Time to initiate the afterparty plotline. Get several shit tests like she has to take care of her friend that is sleeping at her place tonight and other stuff. Find a solution for everything… Then lead her out of the club. Fortunately Dyna texted me a short description of how to get to our apartment.

Enter the building of our apartment. Then I’m not able to open the door of the apartment. After 5min I call Dyna to open it from the inside. The girl is still just standing next to me… Awesome reference experience. After we enter the apartment Dyna immediately goes back to sleep. Now I’m in the apartment with litarally NOTHING. The fridge is completely empty. No wine, nothing to eat. No NOTHING. Whatever… I lead her to the couch in the living room. She tries to reach her friend. Good timing because in the meantime I head over to the bathroom to take a massive shit. It was about time haha

When I come back just some more talking till I finally make out with her. Then amp it up till it turns out that she’s on her period and sex is a Nogo. Try different things to push through but after 30min I realize that she’s definitely not going to fuck when she’s on her period. Before I throw her out I ask Dyna if he wants anything from the shop across the street. He starts to laugh because he knows that I’m going to throw her out now…

Conclusion:
-solid train set over 7 hours in total. unfortunately Dynas girl is too tired and fucked up for the pull
-Mountaineer all alone in a new town without money and knowing the way home manages it to pull a girl back to the apartment. Fuck yeah!

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Friday - Budapest:
Head out with Dyna and Zonk to a bigger bar. I love this Budapest bars. See a cute brunette walking by. Open her. She’s cute, from Alaska but pretty stifled. Dyna and Zonk engage the friend. I can sense that it’s not worth it to stick to it because she’s too stifled compared to other people that are around. Get her number because she’s coming to Vienna in 1-2 weeks and eject.

Open a German 3set. They’re untypically unstifled. They open up but one of them wants to go back to the rest of their group. The other 2 just diss her haha. In the end they want to meet up with us the next they and want to get the number. Whatever, I get the number of one of them.

Dyna opens another American 2set. One girl looks like my Alaska girl from before. In the first sec I’m not sure if it’s her or not. Then we talk about naked swimming. They tell me that in the US people just do it when it’s dark. I say that that’s probably because the majority is pretty fat over there haha. They take it personally. Chode girls with low self esteem. Let them go. I have no interest if they’re that fucked up to waste more time with them.

We head back home because another guy (The Italian) is joining us in the apartment. It’s a friend of Dyna. We head out to another club. At first I don’t approach. It’s funny how the “I don’t want to look like a fool to a new person” kicks in. After a couple of minutes I get rid of it and open a cute brunette. She doesn’t stop. I just make fun of it by saying “now I have 3 times left haha”. 2min later I reapproach her. No problem at all. Like the first “rejection” never happened. However, after a couple of minutes she wants to talk to her friend. I plow through but she’s persistent so I let her talk and eject.

Reopen her some time later. Then a black dude is standing next to her. He’s pretty physical. I reopen her. She talks to me a little and then turns back to the dude. WTF. However, a few minutes later the other dude leaves. She’s standing there alone now while I’m shooting the shit with the boys. I cannot see her accordingly but a wing tells me that she looked over to me before she walks away. Should have grabbed her but I guess my ego was kicking in at the moment…

Wonder around a little to find a good set. Then open a supercute brunette on the dancefloor. It’s fucking loud and I almost get nothing in the beginning from her. Then I just brush and lead her to a more quiet area next to the dancefloor. Good vibing. Then her cousin comes along. She just talks Hungarian doesn’t shake hands... After like 2min she leaves again. I isolate my girl to some couches. More good vibing. Screen for the logistics. These are fucked up. She’s living in London right now and is just in town for 2 weeks. She’s staying at her parents house and is here with her sister, her cousin and some other friends who are living next to each other AND she has to get up pretty early on the next day.

However, I initiate a food plotline. At first she’s down (emotional response) but then tells me that she has to stay with her family and friends. I give her several excuses. Nogo. Meanwhile I text back and forth with Zonk who’s going to pull too. He’s already outside of the club. Then I recognize that verbal stuff doesn’t bring me any forward. So I just take her hand and lead her to the wardrobe. She’s asking me where we’re going. “It’s all good”. She complies. I think that now I got her but then her friends are standing in front of the wardrobe. Fuck! I go through the fucking doorframe with her and go once again for the pull. Nogo, she has to go with her friends. I screen for the next day to meet up with her again. She has a big family meetup. Damnit! Make out with her and let her go. Fucking damnit! This girl was fucking cute!

I arrive at the apartment. Zonk and his girl are already there and the other 2 boys are already sleeping. Zonk told his girl that I’m going to cook something. Good joke because the fridge is completely empty haha. I plan to go out once again because I’m a persistent motherfucker haha. But first I have to take a massive shit which turns out to take longer than expected. Anyways it’s already 0530 in the morning and it doesn’t make any sense to head back out again. Damnit. I’m just able to listen to Zonks interaction with his girl. He doesn’t really push it so the girl gets bored after some time. Finally he looses her.

We grab something to eat and call it a night.

Conclusion:
-Good reference experience for being a persistent motherfucker who plays to win. Unfortunately I lost my girl in the end but I did everything that was in my power at that moment so it’s all good

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Saturday - Budapest:
Head out for some steaks. While we eat one of the German girls from the day before texts me (superhot brunette). She asks me if we’re going out. Screen for their situation and find out that they’re warming up at their apartment which is just around the corner of the restaurant we’re eating. Arrange that we will pick them up. After dinner we head over to their hotel and pick them up. They’re already on the move to a club where we also planned to go to. Since we want to go to another location (Instant) before we eject after a couple of minutes.

I open a couple of minutes after entering the club. Cannot remember details. However, it leads nowhere.

Open a brunette 2set on the first floor. My girl is damn hot. Zonk joins in. Good vibing but they both seem pretty stifled. They attempt to eject a couple of times but I just plow through. Since The Italian openend a 2set together with Dyna and it looks pretty good we try a new thing. We kind of merge the sets. Unfortunately don’t introduce the girls to each other. Lead our girls to the dancefloor and discuss with Zonk if we should stick to the set. I eject to find some possible other sets. Open a bday set. Pretty young. Too high energy. It’s too unprobable. I eject again.

Get back into the brunette 2set where 2 chode friends from university have joined them. I befriend them. But since they seem to stifled to make a SNL happen we finally eject from the set.

Damnit, it’s always an educated guess to which set to stick. Zonk and I cruise through the club to find a better set. Then we see a blonde 2set. I open. Both are cute. I leave the hotter one with Zonk so he’s more motivated. I do it for the team since I want to make the 2 on 2 pull happen. My willpower is strong enough to persist for the close even for the less hotter one. I get a text from the brunette hot German girl that she is “in the corner”. Interpret it that she’s bored and wants to get fucked by me. Good vibing with my girl. Zonks girl is pretty stifled. I screen and find out that the other girl is sleeping at my girls place AND has a BF. Shit. This set is pretty much done… Get the number. We bump into them a couple of times later and she starts to text me… But logistics are fucked…

Bump into the brunette hot German girl which is completely pissed because someone has stolen her jacket or something… This girl is done and leaves the club after some time. Too bad, she was fucking hot…

It’s getting pretty late, Dyna and The Italian already pulled their 2 girls back to our apartment where they find out that The Italian girl has a BF. Bad screening… Dyna bangs his girl. Good job! The Italian just gets to the makeout level and finally leaves the apartment with his girl with the plan to rejoin us in the club.

Meanwhile I opened a brunette Finnish girl. WTF, this girl is smoking hot. Definitely have to go to Scandinavia! I stay completely chill. Good vibing. Unfortunately it’s a bigger group and she gets distracted all the time by her friends. I introduce myself and engage the friends a little but I loose her. Shit! There’s another Finnish blonde girl that isn’t slim. Of course this girl is into me an sticks to me. What else…

We bump into the German set from the day before again. After the hot brunette one already left there are 2 blonde girls left. Both are cute. Zonk gets the smaller girl which looks pretty down. My girl tells me that she has a BF and wouldn’t cheat but then also tells me different stuff like “I want to marry him. maybe he’s cheating. I don’t care. I’m not going to cheat on him. This is how it is now but maybe I will change my mind in 2 months, 2 days or 2… [she doesn’t finish the senctence. guess she means minutes haha]”. She also tells me that I am the leader of the group and the other dudes are pretty much faggots haha. Lead my blonde one to the dancefloor. Then the dancefloor already gets closed. We’re all heading to the wardrobes. The 2 girls excuse themselves to the bathroom for a minute.

Now I have to make a decision: with which girl should I go through the fucking doorframe? The Germans where my girl has a BF and there are 2 other chodes with them or the Finnish girl. And the winner is… Finnish girl!

Reopen the Finnish girl and head with her to the wardrobe. While waiting at the wardrobe I get her number. Unfortunately I get plenty of shit of her Dutch friend who is superhot too. Go with my brunette Finnish girl through the doorframe. Outside I persist for the afterparty but the Dutch friend gives me constant shit. See that Zonk and The Italian are waiting. Obviously Zonk didn’t walk out with the Germans. I feel weak because the Finnish girl is now standing in a big circle and behaving like I’m not even there. I can feel the fear and pain of the probability to get “rejected” outside without distraction of loud music in front of the whole group. Good stuff. This is exactly what I need to push my comfort zone. I just say “4 times” to the the boys and go back in. She ignores me. Guess it’s also partly because of the Dutch friend… Fuck. At least I went for it. That’s the only thing that counts.

We’re looking around if the Germans are still around. Nope… Soooo, we call it a fucking night. Right in front of our apartment we see Dynas girl walking out of the apartment. Obviously Dyna just finished her a sec before haha.

Conclusion:
-good sets, but fucked up logistics all the way
-maybe I’ve chosen the wrong set at the end. Should have screened for the adventurousness of my German blondie with stuff like “we should just get wasted and fuck” and see how she reacts…
-at least Dyna and The Italian pulled 2 girls back to hour apartment

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Salzburg FB


Alright, that’s it for the week. Enjoy your track and I’ll talk to you next week.


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Took a good long look at your latest posts.

Good stuff, as had to be expected. You are so constant at hitting this shit hard. Nice!

Have a good time in Vienna (or elsewhere)!
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Damn, Mountaineer, that sucks (which is my way of expressing admiration tounge) - you've approached AND laid a really hot german "Fraulein". I was told numerous times and experienced it myself, pretty damn difficult to lay german hot girls / women. They are with good reason known to be "ice princesses". Deep respect 2 u.
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"ice princesses". haha. perfect discription.
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@Feelgood
thx, enjoy Hamburg!

@Dork4ever
yeah, fucking this nice German brunette was awesome! However, they are just "ice princesses" here in Austria. In Germany they're more relaxed and adventurous!
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*Week 52 (18.03. – 24.03.)

What I had to learn the hard way is to screen for the day2 while I’m getting her number. This is so key and saves you plenty of headache coordinating the day2s.

Guess the biggest factor for my “dryspan” is that I’m fucking up several opportunities to get laid on day2s by new girls by being too impatient because I want to schedule as many girls as possible in the upcoming week of course. The result of this is that I’m waiting for the hottest girls too long and try to schedule the average girls too short-term. Somehow my current approach to it sucks. Until I know how to do it better there will be no way around double booking days. This will be the first time when I have to cancel day2s from my side… This is going to be a comfort zone push for me since I’m not really able to let go of things (FBs, Day2s, even my old flat).

My first German lay in Austria wrote me (after not responding for 2 weeks). She tells me that she got sick after her horror workaholic week for the congress and the German tour afterwards. She wants to meet up to also get her glasses back. Yeah, whatever, let her wait with my response also…

Lost burnette superhot 18yo from Platzhirsch. This girl is just stupid. After I wrote her that if she doesn’t want to meet me she just should write it, she wrote that she’s not sure what I want from her (needed qualification). After I qualified her she wrote me shit about meeting up with her and her friends to warmup or even in the club. WTF, this is complete bullshit. No isolation means no lay. She’s DONE.

Guess I also lost the girl from daygame since I wrote a very judgemental text because she shortly cancelled our second day2. My ego got involved because I could have scheduled someone else on that day if I would’ve known it earlier. In addition to that the reason why she cancelled was stupid. Fuck it, she was negative complaining about everything anyways. Guess it’s better if I don’t see her again.


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Monday FB:
Primary FB

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Tuesday ex-FB:
My Tyrolean FB that I lost “to a cruiser” is back in Austria for a month. As soon as she came to town she hitted me up via text. We meet up. No physicality. I assume everything. Amazing sex. She’s fucking hot. She will contact me as soon as she’s in town next time. So how to call her... Guess she’s a FB now again.

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Tuesday:
After I throw the girl out of my flat I head out with Zonk to our fav. bar. I’m a little drunk, there are not really hot girls there and I’m not really motivated to talk to girls. I’m thinking if this is just abundance or some kind of laziness or ego protection is going on here. Only answer to this is to push through and make a set.

See 2 “cute” girls on the dancefloor. I open. They are into me right from the get go. Zonk joins in. I leave the skinnier one with him so that he is more motivated. Unfortunately my girl is a little fat. Whatever, for the sake of getting the 2 on 2 topic handled I would do almost anything! This fucking stuff has to be out of the way! Turns out Zonks girl is completely wasted. After some time we switch girls. Then some dudes (their university colleagues) come along and say that they’re leaving now. My initial girl just joins them and is gone immediately. WTF… However, she lets her friend with us without even really saying good bye to her. I qualify my girl heavily to remember my name. Since she’s too wasted for anything I get her number and walk her out of the bar and to the taxi. Meet up with her on Sunday. We call it a night.

Conclusion:
-Good stuff that I went out after fucking my ex-FB and it was already pretty late

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Wednesday:
Again, I’m not able to schedule something for Wednesday. New girls have time for other days (that are already occupied) but not for Wednesday. Strange shit…

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Thursday:
Head out to our fav. bar with Zonk and Especial. Cannot remember what happened at the beginning. Maybe some shorter sets. Then I see a seated 4set. Tough shit because they’re also sitting in the corner. But it’s definitely going to be a good reference experience so I go for it. It goes “not that bad” over the first couple of minutes. Unfortunately no one joins to wing me. Damnit! Then I wink Zonk over. He joins. I start to talk to one girl more. Hot blondie. Introduce to them that we’re going to head over to Platzhirsch and try to pull them with us. Unfortunately they’re not down for it. Try again. Nogo. They’re about to leave. I talk some more to my blonde girl and go for the number. She says “YES”. I put my phone out of my pocket. Next thing I see is that she’s already going out of the club. WTF!!! Following them outside and go again for the number feels super weak. That means it’s a comfort zone push and of course I have to do it haha. We leave the bar too and I reopen outside. Semi isolate my girl. She plays the fool about not giving me the number in the first place. Try to build some comfort for 2min. Then she goes back to her friends. It’s superweird now if I would go for the number because there are no distractions (no music) and everyone would hear it. Chances are superlow for getting it after the stuff that already happened before. Zonk and Especial just headed further in the direction of the club without engaging her friends and giving me some social proof. That’s what wings are for… Her friends even start to diss me because my friends are already gone and what I’m still doing here. It’s like a social kamikaze mission. Anyway, of course I go for the number and get destroyed in front of her 3 friends. Even if she wanted to give me the number she cannot because her friends already started to diss me. Fuck. And also Fuck yeah. Because this was “real” pain, I pushed through and I will grow from it!

Head over to Platzhirsch. The club is super packed. Plenty of dudes. There are many big sets there. Somehow, the bigger sets don’t really open at all. It’s what I would consider a “bad night” because I’m not used to not get positive, or at least “normal”, conversations. Maybe also the destruction in front of 4sets before also is producing this ramifications here…

Then I see a superhot blonde one in a bigger set. Get AA for 30sec. Already forgot how this feels. Guess the AA is based on the destruction in the 4set before (Am I still enough?...). Anyway, of course my willpower kicks in and I go into the set. The blonde one opens up a little but her friends try to engage her. I introduce myself but somehow loose her after a couple of minutes. Whatever, will see her later…

I’m really out of it now. Don’t approach over the course of 30min or something like that. Then I’m at the dancefloor. Open a brunette cutie in front of me. Good vibing. Turns out she has a BF who’s not in town. She’s staying at a friends place with one of the friends in the club. This is fucked up. Screen for her adventurousness. Since it’s pretty late now, Zonk wants to grab something to eat and both of her friends are making out with each other I go for grabbing some food with her and coming back. Nogo. Then a drunken faggot approaches her. I just chill back. Then I get the feeling that it would be nice to tool him a little and tease her. Tell him that he’s “on a good way” and tell her “your BF is a complete faggot”. haha. Get her number and tell her that we stay in touch for an afterparty. Even though she later texts me back I cannot convert it to something useable.

On the way out of the club I see the superhot blonde one from before. One fucking tall dude with an Elvis haircut is chillin there. Fucking alpha. The blonde one is reacting to him. Whatever, 4 times for the win. Go in again. After a couple of seconds she turns away again. Damnit. But I went for it. Even though I’m going home now alone I have a good feeling of pushing it as far as it was possible.

Conclusion:
-very good comfort zone push of going again for the number outside in front of 3 other friends of her which already dissed me
-another good comfort zone push when I got AA for 30secs to push through

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Friday FB:
Hungarian FB
Maybe she is leaving town because she has some problems with the nostrification of her Hungarian degree.

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Friday:
Head out with Zonk and Especial to our fav. bar. Open a brunette 2set. My girl is cute but strange. I cannot really tell what is strange about her just that she’s strange. I’m not really interested in her. She’s working 60-80 hours a week. Nevertheless, I stick to it. Why? Because of the validation I guess. Stupid me! After quite some time I decide to eject from this set. Go for the number. Nogo. She offers me facebook. Fuck that!

Next set to be mentioned is a supercute brunette. She’s walking by. Open her. She’s pretty warily and tests me a lot. I’m not impressed by it and don’t react. Then she opens up. She’s comfortable with my physicality. Lead her a few meters away. She tells me that she’s here with a chode friend. I plow through. After some time this dude comes along and tells her that he’s leaving. She stays. With me. Nice. After some more minutes I’m going to brush and lead her to some chairs nearby. She refuses to hold my hand and kind of calls me out on it. WTF… Anyway, we sit down. Initiate a “let’s head over to the club” plotline. Somehow the interaction tipped over. She’s more negative now again. At least concerning her statements. Starts to talk about “remains fucking” and afterwards that she’s not interested in what I’m saying. I play along with it but she holds her frame over a longer period of time. WTF… I don’t get it what is going on here. Then she tells me she’s about to go and goes away. 2min later she’s just walking by. WTF! NO! I just grab her and pull her back in. Talk to her a little. Get her number. Go with her through the fucking doorframe. Outside I go again for an afterparty. Nogo. She tells me that she’s tired and has no money. I don’t persist for another time. Somehow this was stupid. Anyway, this girl starts to text back heavily on the next day sending 4 consecutive texts. Let’s see where this leads to…

We’re thinking about heading over to Volksgarten when I see a cute 3set. Open. Zonk joins in. They’re into it. We semi isolate our girls. After some time the third girl just leaves. Good stuff. It’s getting late. Find out that Zonks girl is the daughter of the authorized officer of a consulting firm I’m working with. Initiate afterparty plotline. They’re down. Zonk and I are drinking a last round of mineral water. Suddenly the girls are getting tired as fuck. Go for the afterparty. Nogo. Shit. Anyway, we both get the number and call it a night.

Conclusion:
-this is how a good night should look like. Did 3 longer sets and the last set was on the edge to a 2 on 2 pull.
-Guess we had bad luck with the timing and should have pulled them earlier.
-have to eject earlier in set where I’m not really interested. I have enough abundance to cut out non-interesting girls. There’s no point!
-Zonk persisted for the afterparty one time. Guess this was the first time he took initiative converning a 2 on 2 pull. Good stuff!

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Saturday:
Head out with Zonk and Especial to our fav. bar. We plan to go to Volksgarten afterwards but we never get out of the bar.

Just 2 sets to be mentioned. While Especial opened a 2set and Zonk wings him I chill a few meters away. Don’t see any sets that interest me. Suddenly a dude is standing next to me. Talk with him a little. 2 cuties are walking by. I don’t approach because I micromanage how to finally get one of the guys over to my set to wing me in the long run. Meanwhile they’re already gone. Damn. Then I have an idea: open the next cute 2set that is walking by and throw one girl onto the dude I’m talking to right now. Unfortunately over the next 15min no single cute 2set walks by. WTF…

Finally I see a 2set standing at the bar. Go in. One girl gives me constant shit, the other one is into me BUT socially developed like a little girl. After like 20min Zonk joins in and engages the other girl. Good vibing with my girl. However, I can see that even though she is fully into me she is stifled as fuck. Very strange for age 27. Probability for a SNL is almost zero so the only conclusion is to get her number, fuck her based on day2 and move on. The other girl says that they are about to head over to Grelle Forelle. I utilize this statement to get rid of them haha. Go for the number. She wants to take mine because “she has to think about it”. I just answer “think and make a decision now”. Love that one! Get her number. Done.

I want to head over to Volksgarten because the hottest girls are there but it’s a little bit too early for it… Then I bump into a cute brunette 2set. The start is a little bumpy. After some minutes Zonk joins in. He’s fully in the flow tonight. I don’t warm up to my girl. Don’t get it wrong: “I” don’t warm up to her. It’s strange but somehow I cannot connect to her. She’s working for the government and is a full business woman, very talkative. Her body/face is cute but I guess I miss the female energy which is missing completely. I even cannot picture myself having sex with her. STRANGE… I eject to take a look at Especial. Zonk runs the show alone. Then I come back with the intention to head over to Volksgarten. I can “feel” that this set is going nowhere, at least concerning a SNL. Zonk wants to stay in. We discuss the topic without making a decision. Weak! Then Zonk leaves and doesn’t come back. WTF… I’m in a set where I don’t wanna be and Zonk is somewhere… I eject, find him and pull him back into the set. Unfortunately his Romanian FB is now in the bar so he’s fucking paralyzed. Shit. We’re stuck there and don’t make an explicite decision. Superweak! Finally we bumpily pull them over to Gbar. The bar is already about to close. Good stuff because this gives us an excuse to get them to my place for some wine. Unfortunately doesn’t work. I don’t plow through, I don’t persist in general. Guess it’s partly because of ego protection, but mainly because I just cannot picture myself having sex with my girl. Not easy to lead into a direction if you don’t really have a goal in mind. It’s super pathetic but that’s just how it is. Zonk goes one more time for the afterparty. Nogo. We leave the bar. They go to the taxi. I don’t even go for the number. Done. “Wasted” 3,5 hours without really learning something out of it.

Conclusion:
-very strange night. the indecisiveness of sticking in a set or letting it go costed us almost a whole night without any result. don’t know yet which conclusion I should make out of this experience…

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Sunday Day2:
Meet up with girl from the 2set from Tuesday that was too drunk to make shit happen. Standard procedure. This time no fight in the billard bar haha. Get almost no IOIs. Who cares. Assuming is key. The pull from Gbar back to my flat is a little bumpy but then everything is straight forward. BANGTOWN VIENNA!

A couple of minutes after I fucked her I get horny again and fuck the shit out of her a second time. God I love girls and fucking them haha!

Conclusion:
-mindblowing reference experience for meeting up with a girl that barely could remember the initial interaction and laying her on the first Day2. Fuck yeah!
-this lay also is based on my dedicated willpower to head out of my flat after fucking a FB on a very late hour. Fuck yeah!


That’s it for the week. Enjoy! I’ll talk to you next week!


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 well done! it's amazing how assuming leads your game. for the future we have to screen better if the girls are worth it. i usually dont like the "we are heading over to a club" and on the way out there is a medium-hot set that has to be approached and that messes up all the plan of moving. once we decide to leave only the hottest girls should stop us or we should realize within 1 minute if it is worth it or not. or even split up.
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